Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

Just caught up with the entire season over the last 2 days. The entire thing was fecking awesome, my only issue though - why was the Night King riding that dragon like a twat? Doesn't he control all of his dead with mind control and that crap, so why did he have to mount that ice dragon? Looked stupid

Would you rather ride the greatest thing available or use a remote control to manoeuvre it?
 
She is taking a yugggeeee gamble. She wants the North to beat the undead and in the process lose 3/4th of their army. Then she waits for them with her new Essos army and is hoping to beat them. If the North lose she is fooked.
She is, but sending her army north now is hardly a risk free option. She may well judge that the her army isnt going to make a huge difference either way given the state its in. From a purely selfish point of view, depending on what happens she always has the option of abandoning KL and finding herself an island, as well. Not sending her army buys time to see where the wind is blowing and act accordingly.
 
Just caught up with the entire season over the last 2 days. The entire thing was fecking awesome, my only issue though - why was the Night King riding that dragon like a twat? Doesn't he control all of his dead with mind control and that crap, so why did he have to mount that ice dragon? Looked stupid
Because why the feck not. I would never set foot on ground if i had a dragon.

However, why didnt NK just stop controlling the wight jon caught. He saw how desperate they were to keep him alive. If NK just stopped controlling him, wouldnt he have just dropped dead?
 
It all confirms that Cersei is an idiot..

As others have said, I dont think shes an idiot. I think shes deluded in her own mind, as she was when she had the religious cult take over to get back at Margaery (not even thinking about what could happen to her)
I think its somewhat the same now. Maybe she thinks its a threat, but not one that will overwhelm Dany/Jon and as a result her army can come in and pick up the pieces for victory.
We as viewers know thats stupid AF cos one army gets stronger through death.

Shes being selfish which imo is true to what weve seen for a lot of seasons now.
 
Yeah, because Jon aside, most characters weren't at the wall, until now, coming into the final season. What a coincidence..

90% is also a big stretch. A good chunk of the show has taken place at the wall and further north and that has zero to do with the fight for the throne.

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove. If you really think the writer's are more concerned with making sure the show follows its title than writing the plot the way it should be/GRRM told them then.. well.. lolz.
I don't think they are trying to make it fit the title. I think they named it the way they did because the Game of Thrones is what the show is actually about and yeah I think that 90% of the last 2 seasons is about right. After all the only episode that was about beyond the wall this season had large parts taking place south of the wall. I can't think of an episode taking place North of the wall in season 6.
Edit: Yeah the was the episode 'The Door.' To be fair most of the stuff that has come from Bran though has been about the Game. Little Finger's duplicity and Jon's right to the Throne.

At the end of the day most people who watch the show want to know who will be on the Iron Throne when the series ends or if the Iron Throne still exists.

I'd say that most people expect that the living will win the Great War. The only question is who will be around to sit on the throne when it's over(if there is one).


I think it would have been a better show if it didn't actually have a Zombie army just milling around the other side of the wall doing nothing for 7 seasons.
 
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Just caught up with the entire season over the last 2 days. The entire thing was fecking awesome, my only issue though - why was the Night King riding that dragon like a twat? Doesn't he control all of his dead with mind control and that crap, so why did he have to mount that ice dragon? Looked stupid

The Night King may be a silent cold hearted emotionless fecker, but he's never lost his sense of fun. The face may be still bit inside he's going "Whooooohooo!! this is fecking awesome you wildling cnuts!!"
 
Maybe there should be some some of mid.. level..thread, one where people who haven't read the .. you know .. want to know the differences between them and the show? That's crazy, though, right?
I'd like a GoT future speculation thread, but it's a thin line between speculation and spoilers and I don't know how that would be policed. Actually this thread does OK, it says no future speculation in the title and doesn't actually mention the b word, but people speculate about the future all the time without anybody complaining, whereas any mention of reading is met with a firm response. I think it basically gets the balance right.
 
I'd like a GoT future speculation thread, but it's a thin line between speculation and spoilers and I don't know how that would be policed. Actually this thread does OK, it says no future speculation in the title and doesn't actually mention the b word, but people speculate about the future all the time without anybody complaining, whereas any mention of reading is met with a firm response. I think it basically gets the balance right.
I dont think you can mod a Speculation thread. People will inevitably present the stuff they read online as their own speculation and there is nothing you can do about it. This thread has done a pretty job like you said of weeding out certain posters/posts.
 
I'd like a GoT future speculation thread, but it's a thin line between speculation and spoilers and I don't know how that would be policed. Actually this thread does OK, it says no future speculation in the title and doesn't actually mention the b word, but people speculate about the future all the time without anybody complaining, whereas any mention of reading is met with a firm response. I think it basically gets the balance right.
I suppose you can try account for every scenario, but you'll always get sad cnuts like robin the microwave.
 
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So what do we make of that.. the wights formation was that of a direwolf?

The Night King knows Bran is watching, and it was either that or a giant middle finger.
 
What would everybody think about an origin type episode on the Night King (+ the WW and undead) next season? I was thinking about it, but basically an episode showing:
-More on NK being created (who he actually was and why he was chosen)
-How the wall was built up (which plays to it finally being brought down)
-How Craster managed to make a freakin deal with him regarding sons that were just born.

I know we only have 6 eps left, but given its basically a few plots left:
-Dead vs living
-War for Throne
and the side plot of trying to rescue Yara, details of who the successor is, etc, I think that could all be covered in long episodes of 5.

Or would people prefer the mystery around it keeping in tact?
 
What would everybody think about an origin type episode on the Night King (+ the WW and undead) next season? I was thinking about it, but basically an episode showing:
-More on NK being created (who he actually was and why he was chosen)
-How the wall was built up (which plays to it finally being brought down)
-How Craster managed to make a freakin deal with him regarding sons that were just born.

I know we only have 6 eps left, but given its basically a few plots left:
-Dead vs living
-War for Throne
and the side plot of trying to rescue Yara, details of who the successor is, etc, I think that could all be covered in long episodes of 5.

Or would people prefer the mystery around it keeping in tact?
I'd like it if there was more time but I wouldn't want to sacrifice one of the 6 episodes for it. That'd be good for a feature length spin off film, a bit like the Caprica film after Battlestar Galactica - tho of course they made a whole series out of that.
 
Out of interest, if they decided for a spinoff which arc you'd want them to make?

As much as there's many loveable character i dont think anyone interesting enough in their own. But if i have to choose im more curious bravos and the iron bank arc. Or perhaps a young tywin rose to power.
 
Someone else was talking about a series looking at the early Targaryens as well earlier, there's actually tons of material that would be interesting to develop in separate projects. Wouldn't bet against something or other happening a few years after GoT finishes.
 
What would everybody think about an origin type episode on the Night King (+ the WW and undead) next season? I was thinking about it, but basically an episode showing:
-More on NK being created (who he actually was and why he was chosen)
-How the wall was built up (which plays to it finally being brought down)
-How Craster managed to make a freakin deal with him regarding sons that were just born.

I know we only have 6 eps left, but given its basically a few plots left:
-Dead vs living
-War for Throne
and the side plot of trying to rescue Yara, details of who the successor is, etc, I think that could all be covered in long episodes of 5.

Or would people prefer the mystery around it keeping in tact?

My guess is a little backstory on their origin and that's it. We're too late in the show for an in depth backstory.

Considering even martin didn't explain much about the nk (haven't read the book) i think he simply just wrote them as the big bad boogey man just per se.
 
Out of interest, if they decided for a spinoff which arc you'd want them to make?

As much as there's many loveable character i dont think anyone interesting enough in their own. But if i have to choose im more curious bravos and the iron bank arc. Or perhaps a young tywin rose to power.
Robert's Rebellion.
 
Out of interest, if they decided for a spinoff which arc you'd want them to make?

As much as there's many loveable character i dont think anyone interesting enough in their own. But if i have to choose im more curious bravos and the iron bank arc. Or perhaps a young tywin rose to power.
So many. Aegon's 200 year rule, then the Mad King taking over bit, Rhaegar's past, Robert's Rebellion, the whole Night King and White Walkers history of over 8000 years ago.
 
There has been a glimpse of his creation, in episode 5 of season 6: https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/f/f7/Night's-king-creation-605.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170409161542

I'd like to see more of his origin but I don't think an episode of this series should be given to it. I wouldn't want to compress the main events any further and it would take us out of the build to the climax. A few more glimpses could be good, though, and a whole series on the war between the First Men and the Children of the Forest, on the other hand, could be very interesting.
 
Someone else was talking about a series looking at the early Targaryens as well earlier, there's actually tons of material that would be interesting to develop in separate projects. Wouldn't bet against something or other happening a few years after GoT finishes.

The thing is once got finishes the arc is well closed. And as much as there's stories in the past we all know the future so it kinda ruins the whole premises.

I won't be looking forward for a rhaegar spinoff when i already know how he'll end up.

Probably a continuation spin off? Like what happens after the whole dust is settled, a nre enemy?
 
The thing is once got finishes the arc is well closed. And as much as there's stories in the past we all know the future so it kinda ruins the whole premises.

I won't be looking forward for a rhaegar spinoff when i already know how he'll end up.

Probably a continuation spin off? Like what happens after the whole dust is settled, a nre enemy?
Really? Even though it's centuries ago? Plenty of scope for surprises. Isn't that a bit like saying I wouldn't watch a film about WW2 because I know who's going to win anyway?
 
Probably. But we know how it ends. Kinda ruins the expectation dont you think?
Yes but if someone came up to you 10 years ago and assuming GRRM finished all 7 books and told you about a series of books with this battle for the Iron Throne and who wins, will you not be curious to see how it plays out? Sure you know how it ends but it would still be nice to see battle scenes and important characters along the way.
 
I think it could be good. I enjoy waiting to see how the series turns out but I loved the LotR films even though I knew how they ended.
 
I'd like a GoT future speculation thread, but it's a thin line between speculation and spoilers and I don't know how that would be policed. Actually this thread does OK, it says no future speculation in the title and doesn't actually mention the b word, but people speculate about the future all the time without anybody complaining, whereas any mention of reading is met with a firm response. I think it basically gets the balance right.
I don't know...'No Spoilers Bitches!' would work in the thread title as well...
 
Out of interest, if they decided for a spinoff which arc you'd want them to make?

As much as there's many loveable character i dont think anyone interesting enough in their own. But if i have to choose im more curious bravos and the iron bank arc. Or perhaps a young tywin rose to power.
The Doom of Valerya(sp). 100%.
 
Yes but if someone came up to you 10 years ago and assuming GRRM finished all 7 books and told you about a series of books with this battle for the Iron Throne and who wins, will you not be curious to see how it plays out? Sure you know how it ends but it would still be nice to see battle scenes and important characters along the way.

Yeah, I'm with you on that. But people have different views on it, people don't like things being spoiled and that's fine and they should be catered for.

I think I'm not that bothered though now because the quality or writing for the show is terrible. However the episodes are brilliantly filmed and are captivating in their own new way, so although it's gone a bit dumb, I can't wait for the next season. I don't care about it being spoiled anymore though.
 
Baelish will get found out this season and meet a grisly end. I'm going to guess at a timeline.

First couple of episodes: As we've seen in the trailer, Jon and Baelish have a conversation in the crypt - probably about Jon's heritage or that he's not a "proper king" - remember that it was Baelish who told Sansa the story about Rhaegar and Lyanna in season 5. The conversation leads to Jon becoming a bit wound up and pushing Baelish up against the wall, mirroring Ned's first meeting with him in season one outside the King's Landing brothel. Littlefinger will use this chat as an opportunity to get the measure of Jon, to see how easily he can be wound up, and will begin to plant the idea in Sansa's head that she's a more worthy ruler because her temper is cooler and she's a better strategist - "Jon can't be trusted, that's why you didn't tell him about the Knights of the Vale" he'll say to her. Sansa will begin to doubt Jon, and if she's got even the slightest inkling that he's a Targaryen there could be more trouble in the works.

Mid-season: Jon has left Winterfell to go north beyond the Wall, leaving Sansa in charge. Baelish takes this opportunity to show Sansa she can manage the politics of the North by herself, that she could easily step in and do the job if Jon were to die beyond the Wall. Arya and Bran have both arrived back at Winterfell, but the reunion doesn't last long as Baelish immediately sets about causing a rift between the Stark children, playing on the fact that Arya and Sansa never got on in the first place. Cracks begin to appear in the relationship between the Stark children.

Final two/three episodes: Something happens to make Sansa reconsider things. Maybe Brienne says a few wise words. This, I imagine, is where the "The lone wolf dies but the pack survives" speech will come into it, that Sansa, Jon, Arya and Bran need to stick together when the full force of winter arrives. Maybe the show will make it really convenient and wrap it up easily, with Bran looking into the past and seeing that Baelish betrayed Ned, murdered Jon Arryn and that his feelings for Sansa are a mixture of necrophiliac lust for Catelyn and his own desire to take the Iron Throne. He's betrayed a Stark to get what he wants before, and he'll betray a Stark to get what he wants again. With everything out in the wash, Sansa sentences Baelish to death and Arya carries out the deed with his own dagger. Everyone goes home happy.
What a cnut this guy was. :nono:

I know most of season 7 was leaked before the season had aired but were the leaks really this detailed? Luckily I managed to stay away from it all.
 
What a cnut this guy was. :nono:

Baelish will get found out this season and meet a grisly end. I'm going to guess at a timeline.

First couple of episodes: As we've seen in the trailer, Jon and Baelish have a conversation in the crypt - probably about Jon's heritage or that he's not a "proper king" - remember that it was Baelish who told Sansa the story about Rhaegar and Lyanna in season 5. The conversation leads to Jon becoming a bit wound up and pushing Baelish up against the wall, mirroring Ned's first meeting with him in season one outside the King's Landing brothel. Littlefinger will use this chat as an opportunity to get the measure of Jon, to see how easily he can be wound up, and will begin to plant the idea in Sansa's head that she's a more worthy ruler because her temper is cooler and she's a better strategist - "Jon can't be trusted, that's why you didn't tell him about the Knights of the Vale" he'll say to her. Sansa will begin to doubt Jon, and if she's got even the slightest inkling that he's a Targaryen there could be more trouble in the works.

Mid-season: Jon has left Winterfell to go north beyond the Wall, leaving Sansa in charge. Baelish takes this opportunity to show Sansa she can manage the politics of the North by herself, that she could easily step in and do the job if Jon were to die beyond the Wall. Arya and Bran have both arrived back at Winterfell, but the reunion doesn't last long as Baelish immediately sets about causing a rift between the Stark children, playing on the fact that Arya and Sansa never got on in the first place. Cracks begin to appear in the relationship between the Stark children.

Final two/three episodes: Something happens to make Sansa reconsider things. Maybe Brienne says a few wise words. This, I imagine, is where the "The lone wolf dies but the pack survives" speech will come into it, that Sansa, Jon, Arya and Bran need to stick together when the full force of winter arrives. Maybe the show will make it really convenient and wrap it up easily, with Bran looking into the past and seeing that Baelish betrayed Ned, murdered Jon Arryn and that his feelings for Sansa are a mixture of necrophiliac lust for Catelyn and his own desire to take the Iron Throne. He's betrayed a Stark to get what he wants before, and he'll betray a Stark to get what he wants again. With everything out in the wash, Sansa sentences Baelish to death and Arya carries out the deed with his own dagger. Everyone goes home happy.

The "I'm going to guess at a timeline" part gets me every time.

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