If we're talking about puns, I have come to admire the NK. He just looks so cool in everything he does.
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Also didn't buy Daenerys being more bothered about Jon Snow than her dragon.
Guessing the final boss fight will be Snow vs NK which will make all the zombies drop.
Will this war carry onto the next season?
Will this war carry onto the next season?
How did you get that impression?
Yeah that was weird.
Though it is funny how we're now veering into (and possibly rooting for?) "acceptable incest" territory.
Hope not.
The Targs generally marry within the family. Why should it change now?
Emilia Clarke seemed to really struggle to produce tears in that scene with Jon.
Me too.
So looks like we might have the humans v wights fight done and dusted by the end of the season, leaving the final season to the fight for the throne.
I like it.It has to though, right? Not a chance either war will be finishing next episode, which is the end of the season.
Well that's why it's acceptable isn't it?
The show has sort of trained us to dislike Cerci and Jaime for the incestness - but now it feels like it wants us to root for Jon and Danny despite the incestness.
How do you work that out? It's obvious next season will be about the fight vs the walkers then. It won't be wrapped up in 1 episode mate.
Big difference. We dislike Cercei and Jaime because a) he pushed a kid out the window and b) they are both evil.
Jon and Dani don't know they are related...
Not a chance.
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The show has already deviated loads from the last two books, and the writers excluded a lot of epic material from them, though in fairness the last two books don't lend themselves easily to a TV adaption the way the first three did.
We also think it's a bit gross when they get all romantic with each other because we know it's a brother and sister, and they're romance is always framed as being a bit gross, twisted, sinister etc.
They might not know, but we know Dani and Jon are related though, and we're more then happy for them to hook up... its incest double standards!!
That's what i thought.
Wish they got this war done and dusted this season now it's going to drag onto the next season.
When she was standing on the wall looking all sad and wistful my first thought was, here is a mother grieving for her reptilian child.
Then when she said she wanted to wait a little bit longer I thought, OK, a mother has hope, but seriously Dany, it died, it isnt coming back.
Her apparent joy when she saw Jon Snow come back threw me, it took me a second to think, oh yes, she is probably sad about him as well. The emphasis of her grief felt wrong. (Though of course there is no right or wrong way to grieve.)
I thought Jon Snow's reaction when he woke up was just right in terms of instantly appreciating the gravity of her loss. But hers didnt seem quite natural.
Im nitpicking here, by any other standard the episode was compulsive viewing and I thoroughly enjoyed it, but it wasnt as good as others this season IMO.
I think Dany dies defeating the NK next episode so that's that guilty wank out of the window
Disagree mate. She was clearly upset - you saw the pain in her face when he actually died. Then the scene where she was hoping Jon would come back was obvious a) she has feelings for him and b) she wants to ally with the king of the north
When he woke up and they had words - she said how upset she was, how it was her child, and she couldn't have children again etc. Jon saw the gravity of what she had done and so bent his knee. He
that doesn't happen.
Im not, I want them to be good friends.
I see the incest as inevitable because of the symmetry but I keep hoping somehow they are going to figure it out before it happens.
Daenerys' sadness, or at least Clarke's attempt at such, when Drogon fled the scene with them all onboard was obviously concentrated on Snow's apparent demise, not losing Viserion. That notion was compounded when they had her stand at The Wall for what seemed like an eternity awaiting somebody, and lo and behold, when Snow shows up, she brightens up and they feck off.
The writers weren't having her stand there for Viserion. How could you think otherwise?
The writers weren't having her stand there for Viserion. How could you think otherwise?
Thanks man. Like I've mentioned, I have just about zero knowledge of the books. So I've heard about deviations etc, or storylines/characters not introduced. Thought I'd have just logically thought that most of the important aspects of the characters they did introduce are sort of included in the show. Hence, maybe the book has an ice dragon in it? But yeah, guess we'll only ever know when/if the books come out.
No real spoilers lad.
Yeah, logically I thought it would have made sense to finish the fight for the iron throne this season, and maybe focus on the way with the NK next season. Or vice versa.
Seems the conclusion to both stories are going to happen in season 8.
Yeah but he saw the gravity of what she had done before her reaction. Maybe I remember this wrong but it felt like she took her cue to say all that from him, not the other way around. And of course Im not denying she was upset, she clearly reacted when it actually happened, I just think a mother's grief would be a little more pronounced and enduring. I think a mother that has just seen her child fall in a battle she had sent it to fight in would feel that loss more acutely than she seemed to, the grief would drown out any other feelings of loss or any romantic feelings at all.
Jaime's and Cersei's incest wasn't hated upon so much for the incest itself, it's because it meant that her three son's were bastards who therefore had no right to the throne and were impeding the rightful heirs in Stannis/Renly.
The Targaryen's did it for hundreds of years to keep things within their bloodline and nobody cared. That's probably the excuse the writer's will use if Jon and Dany get giggidy.
The Targaryen's did it for hundreds of years to keep things within their bloodline and nobody cared. That's probably the excuse the writer's will use if Jon and Dany get giggidy.
If you want to see how a good actor can portray a mother's reaction to losing a child/son, re-watch the scene where Cersei lost Joffrey.
Impeccable from Headey.
Impeccable from Headey.
I was going to make that comparison. Despite the fact she has completely moved on now, THAT is how mothers react when they see their children die. Not necessarily straight away, but once she got herself and her other dragons out of harm's way, that is more the kind of depth of emotion I expected to see from Daenerys on the wall.
There’s something that has been bothering me for a while, and i may as well ask it here, but are we supposed to feel any animosity towards the White Walkers?
Because if so, i really don’t. I’m not sure if that’s down to poor writing, or it just says something about me.
I have no real love for the wights, particularly, as they’re just mindless “zombies”, but the White Walkers are bad ass as hell. For me they haven’t really done anything particularly egregious during the show (granted, they’ve snatched few infants here and there), and certainly nothing as bad as some of the human characters that we’re supposed to be rooting for.
I hate it when one of them dies. I know that it’s built up as this epic, crowed pleasing moment when someone slays a White Walker, but i just feel a little bummed out by it!
Obviously we know a lot more about them now, but they have this cool mystique about them that just makes them naturally appealing; the Night King in particular has this.
When it looked like it was going to come down to a battle between John and the Night King in the recent episode, i was 100% rooting for the Night King to take him out, and i like John just fine. Its just, the animosity that we’re supposed to feel just isn’t there.
Again, i don’t know if it’s a fault of the show or it's just me, but considering the show is building up to this epic battle between the White Walkers and basically everyone else, i can see it being a bit of a problem for me.
Because if so, i really don’t. I’m not sure if that’s down to poor writing, or it just says something about me.
I have no real love for the wights, particularly, as they’re just mindless “zombies”, but the White Walkers are bad ass as hell. For me they haven’t really done anything particularly egregious during the show (granted, they’ve snatched few infants here and there), and certainly nothing as bad as some of the human characters that we’re supposed to be rooting for.
I hate it when one of them dies. I know that it’s built up as this epic, crowed pleasing moment when someone slays a White Walker, but i just feel a little bummed out by it!
Obviously we know a lot more about them now, but they have this cool mystique about them that just makes them naturally appealing; the Night King in particular has this.
When it looked like it was going to come down to a battle between John and the Night King in the recent episode, i was 100% rooting for the Night King to take him out, and i like John just fine. Its just, the animosity that we’re supposed to feel just isn’t there.
Again, i don’t know if it’s a fault of the show or it's just me, but considering the show is building up to this epic battle between the White Walkers and basically everyone else, i can see it being a bit of a problem for me.
Not true, that is how you expect a mother to react.
But I know somebody who lost her child and she just shut down. No emotion, it was more shock than anything like she lost all feeling.
Can you kindly delete that and shut the feck up about the books. There are likely plenty of people who watch the show who plan on reading the books at some point and don't want to know this shit.
Done. It didn't spoil a single thing though.
Ok fair point. But I actually was mindful - or meant to be - that people react differently, which is why a bit later in my post I mentioned the "depth of reaction", as opposed to reaction itself. She didn't have to respond in the same way but the gravity of the reaction ought to have been similar.
You were literally pointing out the differences in the book and show. Of course that's spoiling.
I mentioned two things that have happened in both, and one thing that has happened in the show that hasn't happened yet in the books. Was simply pointing out how far ahead now the show is. I didn't mention any diversions at all.
If you don't want the books spoiled, you probably shouldn't have watched the show up until this point.
@Buchan you really, really, really dislike Clarke hey? Or is it less dislike and just roughly because she's a shit actress?
Well its only natural to second guess your hand once in a while when his plans went tits up and you lost all your allies in one shot. As for Jon, he was going to get on first but then noticed the wights coming at them, so he fought them off and let everyone else get on. Then when the dragon died, he really got pissed and wanted to take out the rage by killing some more wights.
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