Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

VP89 said:
Yeah you can't nominate someone, but I think her vision is to break the wheel of inequality and violence etc.. Rather than to ensure that the Targaryans rule forever. She believes she's the best person to break the wheel which is why she's on the battle for being Queen, but by way of successors I'm sure she'd want to look for ideals rather than lineage. She can't look at lineage anyway.
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Tyrion mentioned the succession processes of the Night's Watch and the Ironmen, which are both kind of democratic.

I think this may be where Game of Thrones is ultimately heading
 
Fully Fledged said:
They had Free Folk up at the Wall. Send a Raven asking Tormund to send a patrol out. It would have been a damn sight quicker than them sailing up from Dragonstone.
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Im pretty sure free folk might have gone with them too. But no way they would go on their own or following Jorah (who voluneteered)? It was probably about 15. Poor red shirt guys.

RDCR07 said:
Well apparently you cant anymore. This episode showed they arent invincible.
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Haha true. But I guess humans cant do anything... even a big qyburn weapon.
 
RDCR07 said:
Jorah was the one initially supposed to go. But him going alone would be suicide. So he needed a group. They established the fact that the free folk wont follow Jorah beyond the wall. Jon was the one who had to lead them also since he was the one who had fought and defeated (sort of) them.
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He volunteered and she just accepted. She should have said no you are my general your job is to help me win this war not go off on some harebrained suicide mission.

His volunteering I understand. Her allowing it to happen made no sense.

No major character needed to go beyond the wall. Well maybe the Hound.
 
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The White Walkers are a mythological race mentioned in ancient legends and stories from the time of the First Men and theChildren of the Forest. Eight thousand years before Robert's Rebellion, a winter known as the Long Night lasted a generation. In the darkness and cold of the Long Night, the White Walkers descended upon Westeros from the farthest north, the polar regions of the Lands of Always Winter. None knew why they came, but they killed all in their path, reanimating the dead as wights to kill the living at their command. Eventually the peoples of Westeros rallied and in a conflict known as the War for the Dawn, they managed to defeat the White Walkers and drive them back into the uttermost north, with the Wall raised to bar their return.

While having an overall humanoid appearance, White Walkers differ greatly from humans. They are taller than humans and have long wispy white hair. They have pale grey-white skin which is wrinkly but stretched taut across their frames, giving them a somewhat gaunt, sinewy, and mummified appearance despite their overall bulky size. Their most notable trait, however, are their glowing blue eyes.[1][2]

A second type of White Walker (revealed at the end of the episode "Oathkeeper") also exists, which may form some sort of ruling or priestly caste. Their number is unknown, and they are immediately distinguishable from their cohorts by icy horns around their heads, resembling a crown of ice. All those seen so far all wore black armor. When Craster's last son is carried into the Lands of Always Winter by a White Walker, he is placed upon an icy altar in the middle of the White Walker's lair where thirteen of these ruling White Walkers are revealed to be standing in a horizontal line in the distance. The White Walker standing in the middle of the line, speculated to be the White Walker's master, approaches the altar, and with a touch of his finger turns the baby into another White Walker.

A wight is a reanimated corpse, either human or animal, raised from death by the White Walkers to act as their minions.
A wight is a recently deceased body that has been reanimated by the White Walkers. Many stories claim that White Walkers alone have the ability to create wights. Samwell Tarly noted that the wights he had encountered had been dead for weeks, yet they exhibited no signs of rot or decay. Regardless of their eye color while alive, all wights have icy blue eyes like those of their masters. Wights are also nigh-indestructible and can withstand an injury that would normally be fatal, including stab wounds and the removal of limbs; even amputated limbs will still move around on their own. Decapitation is ineffective, as the headless corpse will keep moving, albeit robbed of its sensory organs.

However, wights are very susceptible to fire. Their flesh is extremely flammable, as if it were coated in oil: it will easily catch fire and continue to burn if exposed to even a small amount of flame. As a precaution against them, the Free Folk burn their dead so they cannot be revived as wights.
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This post here is a great explanation of the Night King, the White Walkers, the wights, and the undead army in general.

I agree with those who think the writers make them too easy to kill in the television series.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Sansa said "Jon's been gone for weeks". I'm sure they'd know if he was dead. Raven's always seem to be sent out when someone important dies, remember in Oldtown how the maester's knew the Tarly's died?
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Didn't she say he might be dead? It is possible that I just imagined that, but I swear it happened
 
Sylar said:
Im pretty sure free folk might have gone with them too. But no way they would go on their own or following Jorah (who voluneteered)? It was probably about 15. Poor red shirt guys.



Haha true. But I guess humans cant do anything... even a big qyburn weapon.
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I don't care what kind of logic they tried to make for it you just don't send your king out on a suicide mission. Any chess player will tell you that.
 
Fully Fledged said:
He volunteered and she just accepted. She should have said no you are my general your job is to help me win this war not go off on some harebrained suicide mission.

His volunteering I understand. Her allowing it to happen made no sense.

No major character needed to go beyond the wall. Well maybe the Hound.
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I told you you're making too much sense for a TV show. If they sent 15 wildlings for this mission everyone of them would have died and there wouldnt have been so much drama. No one is going to come with dragons to save a bunch of wildlings. When the mission failed people would have complained they should have sent major characters like Snow or Jorah for this mission cause they know how to fight and they would have succeeded. Its like if Dany invited the King in the North to come to Dragonstone and Little Finger showed up cause he is "part of the North".
 
It should all end with everyone deciding to write a constitution and hold a general election. The final episode could have Littlefinger maneuvering for a FPTP system while Varys argues for proportional representation.
 
Buchan said:
I agree with those who think the writers make them too easy to kill in the television series.
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I mean, do they? Considering only valyrian steel and obsidian can kill them, I'd say they're fairly hard to kill. Hell, looks like even dragon fire can't kill the NK.
 
Fully Fledged said:
They had Free Folk up at the Wall. Send a Raven asking Tormund to send a patrol out. It would have been a damn sight quicker than them sailing up from Dragonstone.
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They wouldn't have had anywhere near an assured success expectation compared to if they took the best of the best though.

Given the time constraints and zero margin for error, they were best opting for the magnificent 7.
 
Massive Spanner said:
I mean, do they? Considering only valyrian steel and obsidian can kill them, I'd say they're fairly hard to kill. Hell, looks like even dragon fire can't kill the NK.
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We had this dragon fire vs Night King discussion right after the episode. I think it CAN kill him.

Massive Spanner said:
I mean, do they? Considering only valyrian steel and obsidian can kill them, I'd say they're fairly hard to kill. Hell, looks like even dragon fire can't kill the NK.
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Think he is referring to the wights and how easy it is to kill them.
 
GhastlyHun said:
No, because nobody inside the show thinks they're morons, everybody happily follows their stupid plans.
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Yes but you said they are morons cause the writers are making them do stupid things, which means they are being portrayed that way. They arent acting on their own will.
 
I loved the episode as I stated earlier, however I did find it odd that Dany clearly cared more for Snow's well being, than Viserion.
 
Ish said:
So something I've been thinking about.....I see it mentioned a lot that some of the things the writers are coming up with is done simply to "appease fans" and play to the masses. Like, creating an ice dragon.

My question is, from the (very) little I know - didn't the writers sit with Martin to sort of outline the story and the ending? So the tv show and the books are supposed to end the same way? I know I read/heard that this doesn't necessarily mean that the road to get there will be the same - and that's what most are obviously referring to when they mention "appeasing the masses".

But isn't it also entirely possible that the "major" events, like the NK having an ice dragon, would also have been outlined and plotted between the writers and Martin? i.e. that both the books and tv show will have an ice dragon? Maybe the show writers' writing to obtaining it is very much rushed and shoddy, but surely if an ice dragon is in the books, or Jon trying to capture a wight is part of the books, then its not really just the tv show trying to appease to the masses?

I guess we won't know how far the deviations between the tv and books are going to be until the books are released.
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They've admitted they had certain outcomes they needed to happen and they work backwards from there, so it's possible those events are part of the outline you described.

It's also possible that is why the storytelling has gone to shit and you end up contrived plot lines like trying to capture a zombie hostage to impress Cercei and Arya doing whatever the hell she's doing in Winterfell.
 
With everything going on in the US I can't believe HBO is giving wight supremacy a platform.
 
RDCR07 said:
Wait so this whole infertility thing with Dany - Is she just going by the word of that witch? Does she believe that witch word for word? Obviously she wouldnt know for sure until she tried right?
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Didn't they show her getting it on with Daario.. From the interaction between Daario and Jorah,it seemed quite a regular thing.. So considering she hásn't gotten pregnant,it's assumed that she tried and is infertile.. Atleast thats how i took that statement.. Though I completely forgot about the fact that she was till she reminded Jon..
 
kotha said:
Didn't they show her getting it on with Daario.. From the interaction between Daario and Jorah,it seemed quite a regular thing.. So considering she hásn't gotten pregnant,it's assumed that she tried and is infertile.. Atleast thats how i took that statement.. Though I completely forgot about the fact that she was till she reminded Jon..
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They have shown Cersei getting it on with Jaime way more than Dany has with Daario. Yet she is only just pregnant or so she claims to be.
 
Redlambs said:
Don't read this thread or any 'theories' in here then, or next season may be too.
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Has the story/script for the next season been leaked also?!

I just don't understand why people act all clever by saying 'I have this theory...' then go on to spoil shit that they've clearly read on the internet by going into specific details. Was a colleague at work too who spoiled it, genuinely pissed me off all day.
 
ha_rooney said:
Has the story/script for the next season been leaked also?!

I just don't understand why people act all clever by saying 'I have this theory...' then go on to spoil shit that they've clearly read on the internet by going into specific details. Was a colleague at work too who spoiled it, genuinely pissed me off all day.
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I think the script for the rest of the series has been leaked. Its so frustrating that these leaks are happening so often.
 
Adebesi said:
Disagree about Arya though.
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Her conversation with Sansa was ridiculous - she was basically being a massive hypocrite and made no effort to understand anything that Sansa has been through.

And the knife bit... well that was full on psychotic.
 
RDCR07 said:
I think the script for the rest of the series has been leaked. Its so frustrating that these leaks are happening so often.
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Ffs. So annoying as until this season I'd managed to avoid all major spoilers, even with the books!!
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Her conversation with Sansa was ridiculous - she was basically being a massive hypocrite and made no effort to understand anything that Sansa has been through.

And the knife bit... well that was full on psychotic.
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She was right about Sansa wanting the Winterfell throne and about how scared she is that the Northern Lords wont support her if they come to know about it.
 
Organic Potatoes said:
They've admitted they had certain outcomes they needed to happen and they work backwards from there, so it's possible those events are part of the outline you described.

It's also possible that is why the storytelling has gone to shit and you end up contrived plot lines like trying to capture a zombie hostage to impress Cercei and Arya doing whatever the hell she's doing in Winterfell.
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Yeah it's going to be interesting when the books are released.

It's just a bit "weird", I guess. When the show is getting criticized by some for pandering to the masses, when the truth is, only a handful of people in the world (leaks aside etc) actually knows how it's supposed to end & what needs to still happen to get there.
 
RDCR07 said:
Yes but you said they are morons cause the writers are making them do stupid things, which means they are being portrayed that way. They arent acting on their own will.
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Then it's a misunderstanding of semantics between us. When I say "portray" i mean that it is supposed to be stupid in the context of the show, which is not the case for Tyrion's and Jon's actions.
 
Have they started filming season 8 yet? If not even if the scripts are leaked, then they can delay next season by a couple of months and rewrite part of the script.
 
RDCR07 said:
Have they started filming season 8 yet? If not even if the scripts are leaked, then they can delay next season by a couple of months and rewrite part of the script.
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The scripts are done. But no filming yet and there is talk of it being delayed even more than this season.
 
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