So we get by the whole season without seeing euron doggying cersei ? Whats the point of euron even existing ?
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Talking of people who are useless. Whats happened to Edmure Tully? He was used a fair bit last season since then all of the Freys have been killed and yet he's disappeared.
I'd presume he's surely still alive somewhere. I'd imagine he'll come in useful again at some point if they're looking to install a new Riverlands Lord now all the Freys are dead and gone.
I want a dragon.
They've done a good job of showing that they're aren't invincible IMO. Can't have too many people thinking it'll just be easy to have the three dragons burn everything dead and that's that.
That said I'm not sure what the dead one does now, will it kill the other two? What does it breathe out? Ice?
They've done a good job of showing that they're aren't invincible IMO. Can't have too many people thinking it'll just be easy to have the three dragons burn everything dead and that's that.
That said I'm not sure what the dead one does now, will it kill the other two? What does it breathe out? Ice?
Daises.
My friend (Yes, friend, feck off with your tin foil hats), has a theory on character. Not sure how accurate it is, id need to rewatch a seen from the last episode, but for those whod like to hear it:
Varys could be a Targaryen. He apparently was apart of the blood sucking leeches ritual conducted by red priests. These are only done on those with royal blood? Which means hes got some sort of royalty in him right? Shaves his head bald because his hair is long, curly and white, the key trait of targaryens.
Fair enough, no much, if any evidence to support this, but its not a bad guess at all i reckon.
Fair enough, no much, if any evidence to support this, but its not a bad guess at all i reckon.
Found this on The Guardian comments page
"I watched this episode much more closely than you people watched it, and you had a group on one side that was bad and you had a group on the other side that was also very violent. And nobody wants to say that, but I’ll say that right now. You had a group on one side that came charging in, north of that big beautiful Wall without a permit, and they were very, very violent."
- Ser Donnard Trymp refuses to condemn Wight Supremacists.
"I watched this episode much more closely than you people watched it, and you had a group on one side that was bad and you had a group on the other side that was also very violent. And nobody wants to say that, but I’ll say that right now. You had a group on one side that came charging in, north of that big beautiful Wall without a permit, and they were very, very violent."
- Ser Donnard Trymp refuses to condemn Wight Supremacists.
I actually think the relative apathy that greeted the death of the dragon is a perfect example of the way Dumb&Dumber have gutted the characters since taking over from the book. I agree, Dany losing her child should have been devastating, in the same way that there was an emotional resonance when she had to cage the dragons in an earlier season. Grief and anger would have been an understandable response to seeing your child, companion and one of the few dependables in your life murdered, but instead we get her making lovey dovey eyes with Jon half an hour later.
Pretty sure that wasnt half an hour later 
Since we are criticizing everything, I'll put this somewhat unnecessary additional one. The whole reanimation of the dead Dragon was also below par.
Could have been much more subtle which would have made for better viewing.
Could have been much more subtle which would have made for better viewing.
I am surprised no one complained about the Wildling that fell over before Jon could reach out and save from that hill and he instantly turned into a Wight. I thought only those "Kings" could turn people/dead into wights?
Much more subtle than that? All they did was show the eyes. Should they not have shown the dragon at all? Just the dragon sound coming back to life?
You're really are running out things to complain about. Thats a pathetic try.
It would have been had they not messed with the fecking Night King. Also Viserys was a smaller dragon. They still have Drogon. The question how they will all react when they meet? Dany seeing Viserys and the two dragons will they recognize that Viserys has gone rogue? Im guessing Dany will be hesitant to kill her "child" but Jon will talk some sense into her during the fight and convince her its not her child anymore.
Cut all the sequence from the wights dragging it back and the NK doing his thing leading up to the eyes and do it in a different way.
In the end, I can only tell you whether I was surprised or not and if it gave me that funny feeling that happens when something great unfolds and unfortunately it didn't. Still pretty kickass though and that's fine.
No I'm with him on that one. A few seasons ago it would've been a major thing, now she's not that arsed cause she's thinking about Jon.
People are weird. I have been reading complaints about the slow pace of GOT, now this season finally shit goes down and people are complaining again? Was an amazing episode I thought.
He didn't turn into one
I have no problem with the reanimation but another cool way of doing would have been the NK doing his arm raising thing he did at Hardhome and have Viserion burst out of the lake. Finish with a close up to show the blue eyes.
This has to be one of the most cliched post episode responses to defend any kind criticism along with 'oh it's a fantasy series.'
That's my pet theory. Tell him to stop stealing my damn theories.
I mentioned this earlier in this thread, but a big problem with the pacing of this show at the moment is all down to their own decision to cut the series short. It was a self-inflicted wound. I wonder how the season would have turned out if they weren't so intent on throwing in a zombie ice bear or giving the NK a zombie dragon, both of which will eat up a large amount of money.
I welcome the change of pace but the last episode was incredibly dumb in that aspect. Worse thing is that a few details here and there (sentences to explain time and context) would have prevented so much criticism. The annoying thing is that this episode had the potential to be the best every of the show, better than Hardhome even tbh.
Bullshit, that's my theory! You are all thieves.
I swear if I see mention of Tyrion actually being a child of the forest, Jon being a secret Martell or Melisandre being the hound in disguise, then I'll have your heads!
I love the episodes but why have they started portraying Jon and Tyrion as some kind of morons? Dany has stopped listening to Tyrion after each of his plan failed. Not sure why Jon was still fighting after they all were sitting on the fecking dragon.
Jon is the kinda man who sacrifices himself for others to ensure their safety. At least it's how they're trying to portay him.
Like she said.. He's a hero and heroes do stupid things and die.
Why have I seen a few of you suggest that having a zombie dragon is purely the TV makers decision? I've thought for a long while that this was a likely destination and I'm expecting it to happen in the books too, especially seeing as it would seem that spear thing is some kind of magic.
I'm glad nobody died, the writing has lacked the savviness of previous seasons and definitely skimped on laying the groundwork to really pack an emotional punch. Imagine Tormund/Jorah/The Hound biting the dust or rather snow last night. It would have felt contrived and you'd have been annoyed even though all logic dictates not all of them should have made it out alive. The lack of nuance is killing the show, I understand the reasons for quickening the pace but they've gone way too far the other way. The only way they could have got away with it was if the dialogue was on point, it hasn't been. So many of the reunions that are unique to the show and we've been waiting years for have been lacklustre and just lacking the emotional impact/gravitas. It's a bit sad since there's not many shows out there where you can have separate character journeys and arcs that coincide with the emotional groundwork inherently laid, the foundations were there ,it's just fallen flat.
To add to that every cnut is spouting off theories on every corner of the internet and passing them off as their own. It's tiresome specially how so many of them have actually panned out. There's another popular one that keeps getting regurgitated that I wouldn't have seen coming cause I actually try to let the show surprise me.. oh and most of next episodes finish was made obvious even though again it didn't cross my mind at the time so would have been a ' oh shit that's why that happened' moment.
Be careful I've seen the full script lurking around all over social media, I try to scroll past it as quick as I can but every GOT related post has some fecker leaking it
To add to that every cnut is spouting off theories on every corner of the internet and passing them off as their own. It's tiresome specially how so many of them have actually panned out. There's another popular one that keeps getting regurgitated that I wouldn't have seen coming cause I actually try to let the show surprise me.. oh and most of next episodes finish was made obvious even though again it didn't cross my mind at the time so would have been a ' oh shit that's why that happened' moment.
Be careful I've seen the full script lurking around all over social media, I try to scroll past it as quick as I can but every GOT related post has some fecker leaking it
This episode had everything. Teleportation, pointless filler dialogue to put in some gratuitous profanity, utter stupidity, filler characters so they could kill a few of the good guys (not speaking of Thoros, but the nameless dudes who were finished of random).
But dragons and zombie bear and zombie dragon... so i guess it was one of the best things ever.
But dragons and zombie bear and zombie dragon... so i guess it was one of the best things ever.
Season 1.
Ghost brings a dead hand to Jon just after Jon takes his oath for joining the Night's Watch. They investigate where Ghost found the hand and find the two dead rangers. They then carry the dead bodies with them back to Castle Black. The dead rangers reanimate after they are brought to Castle Black and not before.
The writing has become mind bogglingly bad. That entire episode was just stupid.
I've been a fan of this season for the most part - but I thought it was a dreadful episode
- The big set-piece felt way short of the Dothraki & Dragon vs. Lannister army battle... technically again it was difficult to see what was going on at points, and from a story perspective, I don't see how they wouldn't have been overwhelmed considering the number of the dead (though thats a smaller nitpick I guess)
- It felt to me that every time someone needed to die (bar the once), they'd just generate a random member of their party and then he would die
- I've not been that bothered about the whole fast-travel thing, because it's not directly effected the plot (for the most part at least) - but I think it went a bit too far here. They'd have been stuck on that rock for ages, instead it felt like a couple of hours.
- I guess it doesn't help that the whole idea was just stupid, and it was fairly obvious as soon as the dragons were going there why they manufactured this storyline.
- All that stuff was disappointing, but it was the Arya vs. Sansa stuff that really brought the episode down. In terms of acting, dialogue, logic... everything really, it was complete crap.
- Arya is a complete psychopath now, and she's annyoing as feck with how far up herself she is.
- The big set-piece felt way short of the Dothraki & Dragon vs. Lannister army battle... technically again it was difficult to see what was going on at points, and from a story perspective, I don't see how they wouldn't have been overwhelmed considering the number of the dead (though thats a smaller nitpick I guess)
- It felt to me that every time someone needed to die (bar the once), they'd just generate a random member of their party and then he would die
- I've not been that bothered about the whole fast-travel thing, because it's not directly effected the plot (for the most part at least) - but I think it went a bit too far here. They'd have been stuck on that rock for ages, instead it felt like a couple of hours.
- I guess it doesn't help that the whole idea was just stupid, and it was fairly obvious as soon as the dragons were going there why they manufactured this storyline.
- All that stuff was disappointing, but it was the Arya vs. Sansa stuff that really brought the episode down. In terms of acting, dialogue, logic... everything really, it was complete crap.
- Arya is a complete psychopath now, and she's annyoing as feck with how far up herself she is.
Completely agree with everything here. It was the worst episode ever by far.
Tyrion is officially an idiot I think in show terms - every idea he gives to Danny just fails. I think he's meant to be redeemed by the whole "capture a WhiteWalker" thing in the world of the show, but that also is(was) a ridiculous idea.
Why can't Daenerys have kids? Don't think it was ever explained on the show?
Yes you got me, I am running low on things to complain about. In fact most of my complaints can be boiled down to one complaint and that would be the weak character writing (behaviour, dialogue, motivations, relationships between). That's it, just one. single. complaint. It just so happens that this one single complaint can be easily applied - almost endlessly and independently - to every story strand of this post-book world. Just one of such situations involves the writers transforming a sentient, familial guardian-beast into an icy, automaton weapon with all the emotional value of an arms trade negotiation. And that's all before the Night King got his hands on it.
That's just mean.
You try giving birth again after three dragons have come out of your pussy.
When Khal Drogo was injured and near death the witch saved Drogo but at the cost of Dany never being able to have children again