Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended
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Back in season 1, the witch causes her to stillbirth, at same time the witch gave her a prophecy pretty much saying she can't have kids. So either she believes the prophecy or her stillbirth meant she actually can not have children.
Yeah, they did. At length. She was a pregnant by Khal Drogo and when he got poisoned she used that witch, Mirri Maz Duur, to trade the life of her baby with that of Drogo's. She then had stillborn child which left her infertile since. Khal Drogo survived but he was but a shell, a body without a soul. When Danny asked the witch when will Khal Drogo return to her she replied:
""When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east, when the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves. When your womb quickens again, and you bear a living child. Then he will return, and not before"
I still think, despite all the stupidity in that episode, the most stupid part was when they ambushed the WW and his bitches, and all but one died when they killed the WW, you know, that one they conveniently needed for their stupid plan. I mean, the feck are we supposed to believe there? That singular Wight didn't belong to that WW and was just walking alongside him for the craic?
When we were watching it, even the missus, who's thick as pigshit when it comes to TV (and in general, really) went "why the hell did that one not die too?"
When we were watching it, even the missus, who's thick as pigshit when it comes to TV (and in general, really) went "why the hell did that one not die too?"
The show went off the deep end with that episode.
Cheers, i remember now, such a long time ago.
Will be good to watch the whole thing again once its over, will see the show in a different way.
Am I right in saying that it was D + D's decision to make the show 7+6 episode?
If so, why didn't HBO tell them to feck off and get someone else in for the last season (and give them 10 to do this season)?
This show really could do with the extra episodes.
If so, why didn't HBO tell them to feck off and get someone else in for the last season (and give them 10 to do this season)?
This show really could do with the extra episodes.
Pretty sure it was to do with budgetary constraints. The five main actors are on £2m an episode now or something silly.
I think it's a million, but yeah, it's silly money... but aren't HBO basically printing money with this show?
Potentially had the finale spoiled. fecking cnuts with their fecking theories trying to act all smart. feck 
Not really. HBO are subscription based after all, they don't have adverts and viewer numbers aren't as important to them. The show has gone from a £60m budget from the first season to well over £100m now, even with seven episodes. A big part of their revenue has been DVD's/BluRay but... feck all people buy them anymore.
There is a lot of speculation going around that they want it to soon as well because it's costing them so much to make, and then milk it for all it's worth with spin-offs.
Can we just ban them please?
So something I've been thinking about.....I see it mentioned a lot that some of the things the writers are coming up with is done simply to "appease fans" and play to the masses. Like, creating an ice dragon.
My question is, from the (very) little I know - didn't the writers sit with Martin to sort of outline the story and the ending? So the tv show and the books are supposed to end the same way? I know I read/heard that this doesn't necessarily mean that the road to get there will be the same - and that's what most are obviously referring to when they mention "appeasing the masses".
But isn't it also entirely possible that the "major" events, like the NK having an ice dragon, would also have been outlined and plotted between the writers and Martin? i.e. that both the books and tv show will have an ice dragon? Maybe the show writers' writing to obtaining it is very much rushed and shoddy, but surely if an ice dragon is in the books, or Jon trying to capture a wight is part of the books, then its not really just the tv show trying to appease to the masses?
I guess we won't know how far the deviations between the tv and books are going to be until the books are released.
My question is, from the (very) little I know - didn't the writers sit with Martin to sort of outline the story and the ending? So the tv show and the books are supposed to end the same way? I know I read/heard that this doesn't necessarily mean that the road to get there will be the same - and that's what most are obviously referring to when they mention "appeasing the masses".
But isn't it also entirely possible that the "major" events, like the NK having an ice dragon, would also have been outlined and plotted between the writers and Martin? i.e. that both the books and tv show will have an ice dragon? Maybe the show writers' writing to obtaining it is very much rushed and shoddy, but surely if an ice dragon is in the books, or Jon trying to capture a wight is part of the books, then its not really just the tv show trying to appease to the masses?
I guess we won't know how far the deviations between the tv and books are going to be until the books are released.
Love it.
This entire season has been fantastic. Cant wait for next week.
This entire season has been fantastic. Cant wait for next week.
So basically, never.
Hahaha
I don't know the books at all MS. But from the bits I've picked up, you might be correct.
No it's not. Daenerys was visibly more concerned about Snow's welfare than that of her child/dragon, which is a preposterous notion to have as only two episodes previously, she was on the verge of imprisoning him for not bending the knee.
Potentially had the finale spoiled. fecking cnuts with their fecking theories trying to act all smart. feck
Don't read this thread or any 'theories' in here then, or next season may be too.
Same! I've really enjoyed the season and I can't wait for the finale. I'm not reading too much into the show and just enjoying it for it's tremendous entertainment value.
When Dany had returned and said she would wait a little longer at the wall, was it a breif bit of good emotive storytelling - showing a mother pining for her child, or was it a contrived way of showing us that she now cares for jon and that she was actually waiting for him. I'll tip my hat and give some credit if it's the former, I can't quite remember.
It was strange because I half expected her to blame Jon and co for making her risk the dragons. But didn't seem to happen.
It was strange because I half expected her to blame Jon and co for making her risk the dragons. But didn't seem to happen.
from her conversation with topless Jon, I think it's moreso that we were supposed to think that she blamed herself for not listening to him initially.
Exactly. I have no idea why they make such a big deal about budgetary constraints.. surely a massive company like HBO would want to put the money in, guaranteeing a legendary end to one of the best shows of all time knowing full well, the show was going to be a resounding success.. what is with the penny-pinching.
It is called 'jumping the shark'. FWIW I do think the show can redeem itself with a sensible last episode and a cracking last series.. I think Season & was undoubtedly going to be full of plot holes because there was shit tonnes to get into a 7 episode series.
Everything is set now, so there is no reason for the last series to feel super rushed IMO..
Penny-pinching?! They're giving just five cast members a combined $10m an EPISODE.
Jesus wept.
I think she was waiting for Jon to show up.
I re-watched 'Hardhome' last night out of interest and the contrast to S07 E06 was stark, forgive the pun.
Well they saved $4m last night at least!
Hardhome is one of the best battle scenes I've ever seen, to be fair, although The Cargo Train came pretty damn close. It's going to be very difficult for them to make another battle that perfect.
Would it kill them to give $30m more? especially considering how much money they must make from the show.
Hardhome is one of the best episodes of any television show I've ever seen. It had everything, was really mind blowing.
I absolutely loved the episode. I guess I'm a hipster now
I absolutely loved the episode. I guess I'm a hipster now
You need to pretend to like the new God awful series of Twin Peaks to be a hipster. Discuss in details with your friends in your local cereal bar just how much a two minute scene of a man sweeping a floor says about societies apathy towards spiritual philosophy. That type of thing.
Loving zombie dragons qualifies you more as a pleb really.
I'm a pleb CM!
Then I'm a pleb. Considering that most in here WANT to love zombie dragons as well, I guess they're plebs as well? They just hate WHY they love it, or hate the fact that they can't love it because "feck teleportation and feck D & D and this show is soooo bad and has totally jumped the shark".
I hope the hate brigade just accept that the show is not up to their immense standards, and go back to watching whatever show fills their need for logical perfection.
Yeah, but my question is moreso how did it reanimate at Castle Black? Isnt that beyond the wall? Shouldnt the magic of the wall or whatever it is stop it?
Perhaps the NW voluntarily bringing them to Castle Black allows the NK to reanimate them.
Definitely agree with your earlier points. Ive not been bothered about the accelerated pace until now but the guy running back, sending the raven and the dragons turning up all in the time it took that water to freeze was too much.
Disagree about Arya though.