Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

RedSky said:
Just read the first page of the leaked thread. feck some of those guys should just quit the show if they don't enjoy it.

The shows always been a bit silly and now the fantasy elements are coming to the forefront people moan about plot armour/over powered or time travel. It's always been like this, just less obvious because before it was ordinary people riding in the nick of time while now it's dragons.
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:lol: I'd read no more though, twats are ruining ep 7 in there.

But yeah, it was an enjoyable episode. You have to agree though, the great plan was straight out of Rick Grimes playbook.

Step 1: Come up with decent plan.
Step 2: execute plan is most stupid way possible.
Step 3: Panic when plan inevitably starts to fail.
Step 4: Barely escape whilst some die.
Step 5: Come to the realisation you've just made things feckloads worse now.

Still. Blue dragon!


One thing that came to mind watching the episode again, do you think there'll be some payoff to the whole Hound and fire situation? Again they made a big point about him freezing in the face of it. I wonder if there will turn out to be something actually behind it, or if it was just used as a device to get thoros killed.
 
RedSky said:
I dunno, Tyrion was a bit stupid to be fair.

"Hey babe, I know you can't have kids (pity) and you're a bit of a hot head (lolzy that time of the month again huh) but we should probably work out who rules after you once you're dead!"
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Tiryon had to have that chat with her as soon as possible tbf. He couldn't wait for her to get in a good mood whilst she's putting her life on the line all the time.
 
Ian Reus said:
I reckon he'll end up conquering that fear somehow.
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I'm not sure these need spoilers as we aren't talking about any specific theories. It just struck me as the reason they found the right place is the Hound looking into fire, then he gets into trouble again because of it. His redemption arc should really end on one final heroic act involving fire :)
 
Redlambs said:
I'm not sure these need spoilers as we aren't talking about any specific theories. It just struck me as the reason they found the right place is the Hound looking into fire, then he gets into trouble again because of it. His redemption arc should really end on one final heroic act involving fire :)
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I think it'll end like that for him too.
 
The episode is getting slated in reviews more than any other GoT episode I think I've seen.

I did love it when I initially watched it, but mainly cause "omg dragons Vs dead", after letting it settle and looking back on it, it really was poor written and executed.
 
RedSky said:
Just read the first page of the leaked thread. feck some of those guys should just quit the show if they don't enjoy it.

The shows always been a bit silly and now the fantasy elements are coming to the forefront people moan about plot armour/over powered or time travel. It's always been like this, just less obvious because before it was ordinary people riding in the nick of time while now it's dragons.
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Don't read more. People have read the leaks and have presented it as their own theories. I know this for a fact because I've also read leaks and has thereby stayed away from any discussion/theories etc.
 
Massive Spanner said:
The episode is getting slated in reviews more than any other GoT episode I think I've seen.

I did love it when I initially watched it, but mainly cause "omg dragons Vs dead", after letting it settle and looking back on it, it really was poor written and executed.
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A couple more lines of dialogue would have helped a lot. A simple mention of them being stuck on that rock/island for 2-3 days will have a lot of people much happier about the ridiculous distance jumps in this episode.
 
Massive Spanner said:
The episode is getting slated in reviews more than any other GoT episode I think I've seen.

I did love it when I initially watched it, but mainly cause "omg dragons Vs dead", after letting it settle and looking back on it, it really was poor written and executed.
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That's more or less the summary of the last three seasons. ^^
 
Massive Spanner said:
The episode is getting slated in reviews more than any other GoT episode I think I've seen.

I did love it when I initially watched it, but mainly cause "omg dragons Vs dead", after letting it settle and looking back on it, it really was poor written and executed.
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Yeah. I think that's because on the one hand it was just a great spectacle, but on the other the writing went way beyond 'just suspend belief for a while, cause you know, dragons' to just being incredibly dumb. It's perhaps the most jarring episode between what GoT was and what it is now.

Still, it was a lot of fun for what it was.


KM said:
Don't read more. People have read the leaks and have presented it as their own theories. I know this for a fact because I've also read leaks and has thereby stayed away from any discussion/theories etc.
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edit: Put the following in a spoiler, don't read if you want to stay a pure virgin. Undoubtedly like some of the geeks in here.

This. Looking back, it's incredibly fecking obvious. But I'll not name people in here, because then it will make those still unaware know. Frankly I'm surprised you haven't thread banned the main culprit :lol:
 
Redlambs said:
This. Looking back, it's incredibly fecking obvious. But I'll not name people in here, because then it will make those still unaware know. Frankly I'm surprised you haven't thread banned the main culprit :lol:
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All of the GOT threads have been a nightmare to mod for me. Definetely looking forward for this season to end so this clusterfeck of a thread could go to hell.
 
KM said:
Don't read more. People have read the leaks and have presented it as their own theories. I know this for a fact because I've also read leaks and has thereby stayed away from any discussion/theories etc.
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This might sound weird, but can you point out the posts so I can put them on ignore :P
Saying that im kinda worried to speculate when its been mentioned ep 7 has been leaked (or the script has been)

Edit: Actually @Redlambs is right. Dont say, cos I might be tempted to look back and then notice it which I dont think I have so far
 
I thought it was abysmally written when I first watched it, and that opinion was reinforced upon a second viewing.

The showrunners are making a huge mess of what was once a very good show.

Hard to disagree with anything here:

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/g...bb7&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook

The fan-service is the one aspect I find particularly galling. Appeasing the masses seems to be what concerns the writers these days. It's beyond cringey.
 
Sylar said:
This might sound weird, but can you point out the posts so I can put them on ignore :P
Saying that im kinda worried to speculate when its been mentioned ep 7 has been leaked (or the script has been)

Edit: Actually @Redlambs is right. Dont say, cos I might be tempted to look back and then notice it which I dont think I have so far
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Wait until the season is over, then look back in this thread. The leaks were bang on and the culprits stick out like a sore thumb both in here and the leaked ep thread. Then you know who to ignore for next season, as no doubt the same people have already read those leaks.

Anyway, that's enough about it now I think.
 
So what's up with the Arya Sansa arc? It makes zero sense for me.. Arya is trained to be an assassin but littlefinger knows she's spying on him and leaves clues.. She wants to kill Sansa but then gives her the dagger..

They should have involved Bran in sending the help call to Dany instead of gendry making a run for it.. Would have been cool..
 
Buchan said:
I thought it was abysmally written when I first watched it, and that opinion was reinforced upon a second viewing.

The showrunners are making a huge mess of what was once a very good show.

Hard to disagree with anything here:

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/game-of-thrones-has-truly-stopped-making-sense/1100-6452687/?ftag=GSS-05-10aab8d&utm_campaign=trueAnthem: Trending Content&utm_content=599a53be19694a0007c47bb7&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook

The fan-service is the one aspect I find particularly galling. Appeasing the masses seems to be what concerns the writers these days. It's beyond cringey.
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That is such a shit article, I'm sorry. Stopped reading at the sentence which said no evidence would turn Cerseis head. That's guesswork firstly and secondly no one on the targaryan or stark camp knows how fecked up Cersei has gotten. Sure Tiryan knows her up to when joffery died but she's become even darker since then and no one is in any place to know that.

It's just some soppy fan made shit getting angry that some bits in the episode didn't make sense, but that's happened throughout every season. There have been shit loads of battles that don't make sense. Who gives a feck it's a fantasy genre TV show that has interesting characters and a good plot.
 
Buchan said:
The fan-service is the one aspect I find particularly galling. Appeasing the masses seems to be what concerns the writers these days. It's beyond cringey.
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Just read this:

"David Benioff and D.B. Weiss said that they plot the show by mapping out the big moments they want each installment to end with."
That would make sense as to why everything is rushed (and why some logic is thrown out to rush towards the episode end goal).
I think they should have just extended the episodes by an extra 10-15 minutes. It wouldnt help all logic but would probably iron some things out.
 
I enjoyed the episode. Was shocked with the dragon turning into a ice-dragon and the scenes between Arya and Sansa were good. The battle scene was pretty epic too the first time I saw it. The Hound is a fecking legend :lol:

That said, I have been annoyed with the pace the show has gone this year. It's too fast and they are not allowing the story to develop properly. And so much happens then is forgotten - like, what has happened to Euron who won 2 major battles & then has vanished. Sansa & Arya's story just seems to have escalated too quickly, Bran has these amazing powers but he seems to be talking in riddles. Even this episode, Gendry managed to get back to the wall, send a raven, have Daenerys fly & save them all in time!! Sam's probably the one character who has developed at a believable pace, but even he did that operation on Ser Friendzone with no prior experience of how to do it! When I look back at this season so far, it feels too rushed.

Also, a big change this season seems to be their unwillingness to kill main characters. Jamie & Bronn both escaping the dragon, Theon, Yara (guess she's still alive), Jon (not that I want him dead!), everyone except Thoros from the latest episode. I don't feel like any of them are truly in danger this season, whereas previous seasons anyone could've died at anytime.
 
Having read the spoilers, it feels that most had read them way before I did and were just trying to act as if they knew everything that was going to happen. Just changing the finer details with the story remaining more or less that has been leaked already
 
kotha said:
So what's up with the Arya Sansa arc? It makes zero sense for me.. Arya is trained to be an assassin but littlefinger knows she's spying on him and leaves clues.. She wants to kill Sansa but then gives her the dagger..
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Maybe it will make sense when the end game is seen?
I dont think many can say for sure right now. Personally I think LF is being played but being allowed to believe hes the manipulator in the situation.
 
I have a question.

Is Benjen dead? I mean before he saved Jon Snow, was he 'dead'? And if so does that mean that when the walkers piled on him at the end, he's unlikely to 'die'?
Or was he 'alive' and now presumably dead?
 
VP89 said:
That is such a shit article, I'm sorry. Stopped reading at the sentence which said no evidence would turn Cerseis head. That's guesswork firstly and secondly no one on the targaryan or stark camp knows how fecked up Cersei has gotten. Sure Tiryan knows her up to when joffery died but she's become even darker since then and no one is in any place to know that
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It's commonly accepted that the 'capture-a-wight' plan was absolutely ridiculous, and that's not even taking into consideration that Cersei is somebody who will probably not comply because:

a) Her character dictates that she won't agree to a truce
b) She's highly unlikely to join forces with the Starks and Targaryens
c) She already knows about resurrection due to The Mountain and isn't going to be impressed/shocked about it

It's just shoddy writing and no amount of fanboi defence of it will convince me otherwise.
 
I swear if I see anyone defend the sub-par writing again with "zomg, it's a show with dragons and ice zombies, it's not that serious11!!!!!". It's probably one of the daftest, braindead defenses you can come up with. You can't just explain away obviously shoddy writing with "but fantasy111". Tormund's horrid dialogue for most of the ep is not a pre-requisite in the fantasy genre.
 
Arya being some sort of master manipulator capable of out-smarting Littlefinger is beyond the pale, too, in terms of ridiculous plotlines.

I appreciate that they have to inject some sort of life into the life-less Winterfell sequences of this season, but that's simply a stretch too far. Arya is now, by all accounts, a skilled assassin whose main strength is the ability to adopt faces of those she kills. There's nothing to indicate that she acquired manipulative and cunning skills, to boot.
 
Buchan said:
It's commonly accepted that the 'capture-a-wight' plan was absolutely ridiculous, and that's not even taking into consideration that Cersei is somebody who will probably not comply because:

a) Her character dictates that she won't agree to a truce
b) She's highly unlikely to join forces with the Starks and Targaryens
c) She already knows about resurrection due to The Mountain and isn't going to be impressed/shocked about it

It's just shoddy writing and no amount of fanboi defence of it will convince me otherwise.
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The logic of getting a whitewalker is a bit stupid but so is a lot of things in previous seasons tbh.

Your a and b are the same point, and again it's guesswork to suggest that given they are fecking white walkers and not just a ressurected soldier. You're also forgetting that this white walker will be paraded in an open chamber meeting, not just behind closed doors with Cersei. She will be under immense pressure to start taking the threat seriously or risk being doubted by her followers.
 
Man of Leisure said:
Anyone else slightly disappointed there was no sighting of an ice giant?
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I thought about this too during the week having watched the leak but I put it down to the dead falling through the ice the Giant would not have a hope.

vi1lain said:
I have a question.

Is Benjen dead? I mean before he saved Jon Snow, was he 'dead'? And if so does that mean that when the walkers piled on him at the end, he's unlikely to 'die'?
Or was he 'alive' and now presumably dead?
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Yes, when he first met Bran beyond the wall he told him that he couldn't go south because the wall was made of more than ice and stone. It was crafted with spell inside it so the dead could not pass through and they said something like ''so I can't pass through''.

Time Travel
I know everyones annoyed about the ''time travel'' but my guess is with the guy dying from the cold when they were on the rock and the dream team almost freezing to death there could've easily been a full day waiting for the lake to freeze. Danny being able to fly could've easily made it there in half a day.

Arya and Sansa
While it looks like little finger is relevant again and playing a shrewd game on both sisters. I think Arya is well award of this and playing along too. My guess it will end with Sansa killing Little Finger with the dagger Arya just gave her. It will still end up with both sisters nearly killing each other though.

Predictability
To be fair the episodes always keep us on our feet but you could easily pick who was going to die and who would not in that 'dream team' that went north even during the battle when all looked lost. Hound throwing the stones as well when he picked up the second one it was so obvious it would not break the ice. You knew the exact moment Danny was going to arrive and the very ended you knew the episode was going to end up with the Dragon opening blue eyes and - Roll Credits.

Episode 6
I love GOT, my favorite series of all time and this season has been epic but this episode should have been the most epic and I found it completely MEH. It was so badly written with massive plot holes throughout and like my above point it was all too predictable. The show runners are making a mockery of the original that followed the books (mine you I haven't read the books). Just leaving out details of travel between places and such.

Why have they to finish it in 2 seasons (current season and next years finale) and in something like 8 and 6 episodes respectively? The first 6 episodes of the current season 7 could have easily been stretched out to make 15 episodes thus making them buckets loads of money. It's not like people are getting bored of it, if anything it's at it's peak popularity and still growing.
 
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Buchan said:
Arya being some sort of master manipulator capable of out-smarting Littlefinger is beyond the pale, too, in terms of ridiculous plotlines.

I appreciate that they have to inject some sort of life into the life-less Winterfell sequences of this season, but that's simply a stretch too far. Arya is now, by all accounts, a skilled assassin whose main strength is the ability to adopt faces of those she kills. There's nothing to indicate that she acquired manipulative and cunning skills, to boot.
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Yeah.but the show is demonstrating that LF is one step ahead of her and she isn't as smart as she thinks?
 
VP89 said:
Your a and b are the same point, and again it's guesswork to suggest that given they are fecking white walkers and not just a ressurected soldier. You're also forgetting that this white walker will be paraded in an open chamber meeting, not just behind closed doors with Cersei. She will be under immense pressure to start taking the threat seriously or risk being doubted by her followers.
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My a) and b) aren't the same. Agreeing to a truce and actually joining forces are two entirely different things. It's absurd to think otherwise.

As for the text I've bolded, that's just speculation for now. We've got no idea how they'll present the wight to Cersei. If the writers are true to Cersei's character, she's as likely to not grant the visitor's to King's Landing a meeting, or try to have them beheaded as soon as they land.

But they won't because, you know, it's not what the fans want.
 
ha_rooney said:
Also, a big change this season seems to be their unwillingness to kill main characters. Jamie & Bronn both escaping the dragon, Theon, Yara (guess she's still alive), Jon (not that I want him dead!), everyone except Thoros from the latest episode. I don't feel like any of them are truly in danger this season, whereas previous seasons anyone could've died at anytime.
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I dont get this as a criticism though. Inthe beginning we had a huge huge cast of characters. For main characters were down to pretty much 7 (Cersei, Jamie, Tyrion, Jon, Sansa and Arya). I would be very surprised if these five dont make the last season.
I think we then have second tier ones like LF, Bronn, Brienne, Tormund, Varys...
We have lost Olenna, Sandsnakes, Benjen and Thoros this season and id count them as second tier.

Buchan said:
It's commonly accepted that the 'capture-a-wight' plan was absolutely ridiculous, and that's not even taking into consideration that Cersei is somebody who will probably not comply because:

a) Her character dictates that she won't agree to a truce
b) She's highly unlikely to join forces with the Starks and Targaryens
c) She already knows about resurrection due to The Mountain and isn't going to be impressed/shocked about it

It's just shoddy writing and no amount of fanboi defence of it will convince me otherwise.
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TBF,
a) Only Tyrion on the other side knows her true character
b) Jon and Dany dont know this for sure. You assume this watching as a tv viewer, but based on characters in a universe, the wouldnt know.
Heck, Jon got the freefolk and the watchers at the wall to eventually have an unlikely alliance. I see no issue in Jon believing he can make it happen.
c) Who actually knows about the resurrected Mountain on the other side? Nobody outside of KL would know, would they?
 
Raees said:
Yeah.but the show is demonstrating that LF is one step ahead of her and she isn't as smart as she thinks?
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You genuinely think the writers are going to have Littlefinger win this tête-à-tête after they awarded Arya a whole season of training as an assassin?

There's absolutely no chance she's offed or eliminated from the equation.
 
Buchan said:
As for the text I've bolded, that's just speculation for now. We've got no idea how they'll present the wight to Cersei. If the writers are true to Cersei's character, she's as likely to not grant the visitor's to King's Landing a meeting, or try to have them beheaded as soon as they land.

But they won't because, you know, it's not what the fans want.
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I thought Cersei is open to the meeting as per her conversation with Jamie.
As shes now got a kid, she probably doesnt want to just fight and die (which would be inevitable). but she seems like this meeting is the best way to get to win the game of thrones. If she continues her war, she will get slaughtered.
It was the whole quote she said, submit and die or fight and die. After that, it seemed like she had a third choice, invite and plan

(I might need to watch that episode and scenes again).
 
Buchan said:
You genuinely think the writers are going to have Littlefinger win this tete-a-tete after they awarded Arya a whole season of training as an assassin?

There's absolutely no chance she's offed or eliminated from the equation.
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What I'm saying is that it's not like they have shown she is immediately out smarting him. It is part of her development that she will eventually figure him out. She's always been a pretty intelligent character who sees through bull shit - and it would suit an assassins character to also become a master of deception or intrigue. At the moment he is outplaying her.
 
Buchan said:
My a) and b) aren't the same. Agreeing to a truce and actually joining forces are two entirely different things. It's absurd to think otherwise.

As for the text I've bolded, that's just speculation for now. We've got no idea how they'll present the wight to Cersei. If the writers are true to Cersei's character, she's as likely to not grant the visitor's to King's Landing a meeting, or try to have them beheaded as soon as they land.

But they won't because, you know, it's not what the fans want.
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Going by your misguided representation of Arya and LF and you missing how they were going to meet Cersei (it was explained after Jaime and Tiryons meet as Tiryon mentioned to Danny how it would go down and what traps to expect and not expect ), I don't think you've followed the episode very well.
 
VP89 said:
Going by your misguided representation of Arya and LF and you missing how they were going to meet Cersei (it was explained in Jaime and Tiryons meet), I don't think you've followed the episode very well.
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I followed it fine, thanks.

The lengths the fanbois go to to defend this show is incredible.
 
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