Gendry's is barely a claim though. As far as I know Davos and Melisandre are the only ones who know his bastard status.
Edit: And Jon now. Oh, and the BwoB. Still, barely a claim.
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Edit: And Jon now. Oh, and the BwoB. Still, barely a claim.
Is the group that Cercei is planning to hire , the same group headed by Daario Naharis? Does that mean she's going to believe they might help her, while he comes in and kills Cercei..
Daenerys isn't half moist for some Jon Snow 
is that a fact
In the show it is, well, it's mentioned in the books but unsure if i can remember on the show them mentioning how dragon fire burns!
No, Daario was the second sons, Cercei is going for the Golden Company, whose history goes back to the Targaryen rebellion i think? So there could be something there.
Can anyone confirm if i'm getting that totally wrong?
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That's still enough for people to unite behind his cause should it ever be needed, I think. Plus, Jon would likely support his claim as well because of how reluctant he is to take up the reigns of leadership himself. Although a more logical explanation for Gendry's reintroduction to the story is that he's become an incredibly popular loose end since season three. The writers can bring him back to avoid any post-story complications as to his whereabouts, and then have him do a few badass things with that hammer while smiling enthusiastically to please the viewers. If it comes up in season eight that he should have been king after Robert's death then they'll put that in - if not, they kill him off and get an emotional death out of him. Everyone goes home happy.
The city that Dany arrived at in season 2 i believe,
If Gendry dies we riot.
Quarth :
- Ruled the the 13 - made up of the brightest or wisest of each of the groups of people - traders, the house of undying, salvers etc
- Danys handmaiden Dorean (played by Roxanne) conspires to steal her dragons with Xaro Xhaon Daxos (yeah I had to google that one)
- Pissed Dany - goes to vault which is empty but Xara has everyone believe is full of riches and impregnable - locks them in vault.
Ok episode, Lots of pieces being put into place but season starting to look a bit rushed.
Im really not convinced about this plan to capture a wight, surely they should be busy preparing defences not fecking around with this. I imagine Danny will come to the rescue at some stage anyway.
Jamie is being played like a fiddle by Cersei, grow a pair man. Also, that whole drowning then resurfacing a mile away was too convenient.
Cool to see Gendry taking after his father but again it felt a little rushed.
Regarding Jon & Danny - who has the stronger claim to the throne, assuming Jon is the legitimate son of the next in line after Aerys?
I hate Littlefinger
I love Tormund
Im really not convinced about this plan to capture a wight, surely they should be busy preparing defences not fecking around with this. I imagine Danny will come to the rescue at some stage anyway.
Jamie is being played like a fiddle by Cersei, grow a pair man. Also, that whole drowning then resurfacing a mile away was too convenient.
Cool to see Gendry taking after his father but again it felt a little rushed.
Regarding Jon & Danny - who has the stronger claim to the throne, assuming Jon is the legitimate son of the next in line after Aerys?
I hate Littlefinger
I love Tormund
So why has it taken 7 seasons for the white walkers and their army to finally get close to the wall ?
Waiting for winter to come to the places South of the wall. It's always been about waiting for the winter with them. Obvious explanation actually.
I wonder if we'll see any giant ice spiders that have been alluded to in the show a few times
Should be Jon, especially as we know his birth was into a legitimised marriage?
But Dany is hot so.. I'd follow her.
Surely its Dany. Even in light of this new evidence, Dany became the legitimate heir when Jon joined the NW and even more so when he died. I'm sure the laws of succession don't have an escape clause in them for somebody who is brought back to life.
Technically they do though. He died and his watch ended, he didn't take vows after being reborn. It's shit, but it's a workaround
Its Jon. Doesnt matter if he came back from the dead. Rhaegar is the first child so he and his kids will have precedence over Rhaegar's other two siblings - Viserys and Dany. The same reason the Stark children have the right to Winterfell over their uncle Benjen.
But the Targaryans are known to marry with the family to keep the bloodline pure. So it sorta makes sense from the show's POV but not in 2017 from an audience POV.Going by all the looks that Dany has been giving Jon,I think she's gonna bang him.. Even if she doesn't want it yet,I hope she does.. Then I realize they are both related and makes me feel weird and dirty for even getting such a thought..
`Wonder how Dany would react once someone tells her? Will she believe it and give up the crown willingly or will she say they won it due to dragons that she hatched.. Maybe Jon will give up his right if she helps him enough defeating the night king..
I dont think she is looking at the Second Sons of Harpy is she? Did they mention that?
From what we've seen so far from Jon on the show, looks like he might give it up IF it ever comes down to that.
true, worse thing is that I know this but I always forget it and ask myself the same question.Not sure about that.
The throne goes to the one next in line. After King Aerys the next in line was crown prince Rhaegar his oldest son. But Rhaegar died at the hands of Robert's warhammer before Aerys was killed by Jaime the kingslayer. Which means Rhaegar was never king and died as a prince.
Next in line to succeed Aeyrs was Viserys Danny's older brother and second son to Aeyrs. So with Rhaegar death the next in line was Viserys. With Viserys death the next in line is Danny.
Jon doesnt have a claim that is beter than Danny because he is Rhaegar's heir but Rhaegar was never king. If he was King the next in line would have been Jon. Whilst Danny is a direct first order descendant from Aeyrs, Jon is only second order descendant. So in the King line I think Danny takes precedence over Jon. But if Rhaegar would have been crowned King at one point, Jon would take precedence. But as said Rhaegar died before Aeyrs and with him Jon's claim, I think.
I wonder if they use signposts like in Witcher or campsites like DA:I
That's not how it works in England which GoT is based on. Charles is next in line with William behind him.
If Charles were to die before the Queen William would still be next in line not Andrew.
Exactly. She's just a power mad tyrant like the rest of them.... just because you tell people they're free before getting them to do exactly the thing they've been doing their entire lives, or telling people they can join you or die, doesn't make you very noble.
It's not a fair deal when the other option is death. People are saying "this is war" and stuff, but prisoners are a big and normal part of war.
Isn't that exactly what Danerys wanted to do and had to be talked out of by Tyrion/Jon etc.?
It's definitely more like Witcher, because random horses also seem to generate along with them.
Can she jon and danny having incest targs even after they find out they are related.
That's not how succession works, though. It goes on a child-to-child basis, even if the second in line passes away before the King himself does. If Jon's legitimate, then the moment Rhaegar was killed, he moved up in the line to behind Aerys and Rhaegar's older son.
Of course, It's a Targaryen family tradition.
Is anyone else actually rooting for the White Walkers to win this whole damn thing. They're cool as feck. I hope they go on a tear and take everyone out.
I dont think just because the King dies after the Prince, the children of the Prince lose succession to the throne. Jon is next in line to take over even if his dad didnt take the throne.
Well
i think he is basically set up for one final Heroic sacrifice for Danny beyond the Wall
Does Jon Snow just really like wandering about north of the wall?
He keeps coming up with really rubbish reasons to go back there.
He keeps coming up with really rubbish reasons to go back there.
I thought last nights episode was a bit all over the place. It was like talking to someone for an hour, who can't make their mind up on anything.
Pretty sure the next two episodes will make up for anyone who thought episode 5 wasnt standard enough.
Thats what I think to.
His "let me serve you" line and his one final look back at Dany when leaving makes me think he is done. Plus he wont like the fact that Dany likes Jon now.
Takes a while moving that amount of dead guys around, the co-ordination required is huge even for someone as cool as the Night King.
Besides Brans warging the Ravens and any scene with Jon and Dany together I thought last nights episode was dreadful. Talk about going sideways with the plot. The utter lack of logic behind Jon going beyond the Wall with a random collection of other main characters is beyond me. Not one besides Tormund have any experience of where they are going/what to expect and yet Jon takes them all anyway? This is the coming from the former Lord Commander of the Nights Watch for goodness sake. They would only allow the most seasoned members to range beyond the Wall and here is Jon taking Gendry who he has just met and Jorah who is recovering from greyscale. I get his desperation but smacks of ''lets make a superteam of characters that will be great on screen together'' from the writers.
I can see only Jon returning (maybe with one other).