Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

Do we reckon there is some romance between Jon and Dany?
Yeah, they've definitely made it seem like she's a bit smitten with him.

They'll be fecking on top of dragons by the end of it.
 
Isnt gendry the actually rightful king given that targs were overthrown. Not that it matters. Who is going to believe a blacksmith spouting his mouth.
 
reading some theories today that Bran is the night king.

again, theory that Tyrion is a Targ. He mother was raped by the mad king, she died in childbirth which is why Tywin hated him. Tyron was also able to pet the dragon in an earlier season, something only Targs are meant to be capable off...
Would you lot stop talking about the
three dragon riders
FFS. Never mentioned in the show. Which makes it sound like it's outside knowledge.
 
this is a complete guess and from no outside reading. Now we know Cersei is expecting. I can really see, the WW coming down on her, and through and act of desperation and selfishness for the throne, offering her new born to them in exchange to be left alone or even protected (same as craster). I don't know what this would mean in terms of the show but I wouldn't be suprised
 
They will feck and that's when she will see the scars that prove he really took a knife or two to the heart.
I don't understand the complaints about the "power vacuum" left at the twin towers. The whole point of the Ed Sheeran party was to prevent chaos in this area and keep it under Lannister ruling. In a dialogue with Bronn, Jamie mentions that quite a few castles will be left without ruler at the end of the war and they don't feel rushed to organise the succession.
Dragonstone being completely empty is absurd though as it doesn't look too difficult for KL to have a minimal garrison to control it.
 
The throne would've passed to Rhaegar's son Aegon when he died, though. Considering we don't know the exact timing of Jon's birth in comparison with the baby Aegon's death, it's uncertain as to whether or not Viserys would've ever been considered King. And then there's the fact that Jon was being guarded by actual Kingsguard as well; again, that indicates he's likely been legitimised with the intention of making him King if Aegon's dead. I still don't see how the 'girl power' comment is at all relevant.

Right now, from what I'm aware, we've got one King and two Queens. Possibly two more Kings, depending on whether Euron considers himself one, especially with his plans to marry Cersei, and depending on whether or not we count the Night King. Out of the two Queens, one is a mad, evil tyrant and possibly the shows central villain, while the other has come off much worse than Jon in their encounters, appearing self-entitled and more obsessed with her own claim to the throne than the safety of the realm itself.

Well, it's sufficiently murky to present no great dilemma to the writers. They can put one of Dany's dragons on the dragon throne if they want.

I wasn't suggesting that female characters were being shown in an attractive light. Rather the reverse. As often happens when macho guys are trying to show their feminist sympathies, women are depicted as men in hoops. Although, in fairness, we're not talking James Cameron here.
 
this is a complete guess and from no outside reading. Now we know Cersei is expecting. I can really see, the WW coming down on her, and through and act of desperation and selfishness for the throne, offering her new born to them in exchange to be left alone or even protected (same as craster). I don't know what this would mean in terms of the show but I wouldn't be suprised

cool idea but I doubt it. Jon is planning to bring back an undead soldier, not an actual white walker.
 
It was also incredibly stupid; "I'm the bastard son of Robert Baratheon, yet another claimant to the throne of Westeros. Here, have my head."

The merits of Jon and Dany's claims to the throne will be interesting. Perhaps in atonement for the deluge of T & A in the early seasons, when the first question asked of every actress auditioning for a role was: " How do you feel about getting your kit off and pretending to be shagged by a complete stranger every second scene?" the show has spent the last two years with its lips firmly glued to the ass of Girl Power.

But Jon's claim to the kingship is based on the primacy of descent through the male line - a very politically incorrect idea. How are the show-makers going to handle that? They've made such efforts to get themselves back on side with Hollywood liberalism.
Ok i think you are projecting some personal issues onto the show.
 
I think he will sacrifice himself to save Jon, because he noticed Dany's feelings.

I like Jorah, he reminds me of Ser Alistair in a way, their decisions seem stupid from the outside, but from their sick point of view, they make sense and are consistent. Good or bad, they both stay true to their purpose until the end.
I largely agree
The whole series has been a battle for redemption for Jorah, given that he was outcast from Westeros. What better way to regain your honour as a knight than to die bravely.
 
It was also incredibly stupid; "I'm the bastard son of Robert Baratheon, yet another claimant to the throne of Westeros. Here, have my head."

Is it stupid? He saw Jon as a bastard of Ned, and himself as a bastard of Rob, both being friends of course. He doesnt seem himself as a claimant to the throne and trusts Jon (probably from his long trek with Davos which they obviously discussed Jon and what type of a person Jon is)

Didn't he take the Black? I think he's not eligible in any lines of succession.

I thought he couldnt remember at the time when he woke up. He didnt remember anything, otherwise he would have said it to his mother.
But he should know now but maybe he just doesnt care anymore as it was the path to being 3ER.

Didn't he take the Black? I think he's not eligible in any lines of succession.

Maybe all the rules will change once Dany (possibly) wins?
 
Would you lot stop talking about the
three dragon riders
FFS. Never mentioned in the show. Which makes it sound like it's outside knowledge.
im just reading all about this now

Tyrion, Dany and Jons mothers all died at birth

This must be whats happening
 
Ok i think you are projecting some personal issues onto the show.

You don't think pandering to HBO's masturbatory, young male audience by flooding the screen with female nudity in the first few seasons, followed by the women keeping their clothes on once the show had established itself and the audience was hooked, was fairly remarkable?
 
reading some theories today that Bran is the night king.

again, theory that Tyrion is a Targ. He mother was raped by the mad king, she died in childbirth which is why Tywin hated him. Tyron was also able to pet the dragon in an earlier season, something only Targs are meant to be capable off. So, Dany, Jon and Tyrion as the 3 dragon riders
No to both theories.
 
I thought last nights episode was a bit all over the place. It was like talking to someone for an hour, who can't make their mind up on anything.

No. I thought it was a great episode. I enjoyed it as much as the episode before.
 
Is it stupid? He saw Jon as a bastard of Ned, and himself as a bastard of Rob, both being friends of course. He doesnt seem himself as a claimant to the throne and trusts Jon (probably from his long trek with Davos which they obviously discussed Jon and what type of a person Jon is)

Considering his personal history, and what happened to Robert's other bastard sons, I'd have thought he'd want to keep that information to himself.
 
Stop theoritising.

While anything theory is plausible rememver they won't have enough episode anymore to make contriving new plot.

They have their hands full finishing houses right left center in the next 2 episode
 
You don't think pandering to HBO's masturbatory, young male audience by flooding the screen with female nudity in the first few seasons, followed by the women keeping their clothes on once the show had established itself and the audience was hooked, was fairly remarkable?
Dont care.
 
I don't think there will be a Night's Watch for him to go back to if he chooses to head to Castle Black.
I think the nights watch will end for everyone when/if the wall falls. No need for a line of castles to defend against snowmen. Assuming of course that the NK is dead again or there's some sort of truce.
 
Sweet jaysus. From reading this thread, I'm starting to think I'm one of the very few who actually enjoy this show.

Same. I saw the most recent episode and got here to see what everyone else thought about this and what do I read? People cribbing about how fast they reached point B from point A, and some crap about ser friendzone's time travel or whatever. :\
 
You don't think pandering to HBO's masturbatory, young male audience by flooding the screen with female nudity in the first few seasons, followed by the women keeping their clothes on once the show had established itself and the audience was hooked, was fairly remarkable?

Missandei, Melisandre and Dany have all gone topless over the past two seasons. The reason why there's less T&A than in the first few seasons is because there's no longer time for set-up scenes in brothels or the like.
 
this is a complete guess and from no outside reading. Now we know Cersei is expecting. I can really see, the WW coming down on her, and through and act of desperation and selfishness for the throne, offering her new born to them in exchange to be left alone or even protected (same as craster). I don't know what this would mean in terms of the show but I wouldn't be suprised
That would be hilarious

But can't see her doing that
 
I think the nights watch will end for everyone when/if the wall falls. No need for a line of castles to defend against snowmen. Assuming of course that the NK is dead again or there's some sort of truce.
I don't think the entire Wall is going to come down. The dead army might be powerful but it took decades to build the thing and it's 700 feet by 300 miles. Enough will come down for the ancient curses to be broken and for the dead to pass through but Castle Black will be left standing. However, once the Night's Watch are aware of the Night King bringing his forces south they'll immediately flee to Winterfell. It's usually the Warden of the North who carries out the sentence of beheading any deserters from Castle Black but I can't see Sansa or Jon choosing to do that when the White Walkers are an imminent threat.
 
Missandei, Melisandre and Dany have all gone topless over the past two seasons. The reason why there's less T&A than in the first few seasons is because there's no longer time for set-up scenes in brothels or the like.

Not to mention they're fewer love interests in the story line.
 
The story logic inconsistencies and time travel are the least of the show's problems in my view and the compression of time is no excuse for the drop in quality. Rome's final season ended up having to compress something like 13 years and ended up employing huge time skips, fast travel and logic jumps, but it managed to remain an engaging, well told story through good writing and care for the production. The Simpsons was a great show, it later became something really lacklustre, this is the consensus. I watched two or three bad seasons before cutting my losses and giving it the boot. Understand that was good is different than is good or forever good. Past, present, future, opinions.

Game of Thrones was a great Show. Was a great show. And I refuse to bend the knee to unsatisfying drama, even in the face of flaming from blind show loyalists. (Geddit?)

Stuff blow up and tits is the last refuge of a Michael Bay fan.
 
Well, lets look at it this way...

- He withdrew two of his best men from a key battle to protect her in the middle of nowhere it seems.
- If Robert Baratheon truly loved Lyanna, wouldn't he have been with Ned when he finally found her?
- Selmy a loyal and honorable man thought very highly of Rhaegar.
- Lyanna's location was kept a secret and by all accounts, her pregnancy.

So on one hand you have a story which suggests that Rhaegar captured, imprisoned and raped Lyanna. Alternatively you could have a different story which suggests they were actually both in love, fled together, perhaps even married in secret. Given what we know about Rhaegar, which story would we believe? Lets also remember that Rhaegar was already married at the time and had several children in what we can presume was a pre arranged marriage, not exactly a marriage of love.

I think him withdrawing his best men to protect her says it all personally. He wanted to ensure she lived on past the war with his child, that's something born from love not madness.

Also something I didn't spot until I clicked on a Youtube link and read the title. The Tower where Ned finds Lyanna is called the Tower of Joy. Might be a further clue.

Can I just say... I fecking nailed this. I posted that after last episode of Season 6. That's only about the 3rd thing i've gotten right. :lol:
 
The story logic inconsistencies and time travel are the least of the show's problems in my view and the compression of time is no excuse for the drop in quality. Rome's final season ended up having to compress something like 13 years and ended up employing huge time skips, fast travel and logic jumps, but it managed to remain an engaging, well told story through good writing and care for the production. The Simpsons was a great show, it later became something really lacklustre, this is the consensus. I watched two or three bad seasons before cutting my losses and giving it the boot. Understand that was good is different than is good or forever good. Past, present, future, opinions.

Game of Thrones was a great Show. Was a great show. And I refuse to bend the knee to unsatisfying drama, even in the face of flaming from blind show loyalists. (Geddit?)

Stuff blow up and tits is the last refuge of a Michael Bay fan.

So you came here to tell use you have stopped watching the show?
 
Isnt gendry the actually rightful king given that targs were overthrown. Not that it matters. Who is going to believe a blacksmith spouting his mouth.

Is a bastard next in line if he's not been "ratified" by the king? (similar to what Rob did with Jon or Roose Bolton with Ramsey?)
 
As ever people are clinging to the Jon & Dany love story, purely because it's what we've been accustomed to seeing in movies and shows.

Luckily, there isn't a chance this will happen in GoT and there have been many links to it throughout the series. She doesn't need a man to be powerful, and he certainly doesn't need a woman around right now.

The 'looks' she has been given aren't 'attraction' looks.
 
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As ever people are clinging to the Jon & Dany love story, purely because it's what we've been accustomed to seeing in movies and shows.

Luckily, there isn't a chance this will happen in GoT and there have been many links to it throughout the series. She doesn't need a man to be powerful, and he certainly doesn't need a woman around right now.

The 'looks' she has been given aren't 'attraction' looks and I know this 100% ...

What the feck.
 
The story logic inconsistencies and time travel are the least of the show's problems in my view and the compression of time is no excuse for the drop in quality. Rome's final season ended up having to compress something like 13 years and ended up employing huge time skips, fast travel and logic jumps, but it managed to remain an engaging, well told story through good writing and care for the production. The Simpsons was a great show, it later became something really lacklustre, this is the consensus. I watched two or three bad seasons before cutting my losses and giving it the boot. Understand that was good is different than is good or forever good. Past, present, future, opinions.

Game of Thrones was a great Show. Was a great show. And I refuse to bend the knee to unsatisfying drama, even in the face of flaming from blind show loyalists. (Geddit?)

Stuff blow up and tits is the last refuge of a Michael Bay fan.

Denigration of dragons by comparing them to fantasy geeks is unacceptable.

I think they're one of the show's great success stories myself. Their power and beauty has been perfectly realized. At the start of the last episode, the shot of the remnants of the Lannister army, shuffling towards their fate, with Dany waiting to pronounce judgement, and the monstrous dragon sitting on the hill, looming over the entire scene, his wings illuminated by a dying sun, was particularly impressive.

It's a pity the script and storytelling don't match the cinematography. :smirk: