Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

Annihilate Now! said:
Exactly. She's just a power mad tyrant like the rest of them.... just because you tell people they're free before getting them to do exactly the thing they've been doing their entire lives, or telling people they can join you or die, doesn't make you very noble.
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But she gives the people that follow her a choice though. Like with the Unsullied, they could have gone home and she wouldnt have asked any questions. She gave them the freedom and they chose to fight for her.

It's not a fair deal when the other option is death. People are saying "this is war" and stuff, but prisoners are a big and normal part of war.
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If she had killed them without giving them a "choice" then she is Cersei. It doesnt matter how bad the choice was - its still an alternative between two options.

Isn't that exactly what Danerys wanted to do and had to be talked out of by Tyrion/Jon etc.?
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Every single person in her shoes would have thought the same thing. Plus she was reeling from a loss with her allies captured and/or killed. The difference against between her and Cersei is that she LISTENED. She knew not to make hasty decisions.
 
Sweet jaysus. From reading this thread, I'm starting to think I'm one of the very few who actually enjoy this show.
 
JarleA said:
Sweet jaysus. From reading this thread, I'm starting to think I'm one of the very few who actually enjoy this show.
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I still love it.

Enjoying the change of pace too, feel that it was needed given the shows running costs, although I think i would have enjoyed a bit of additional dialogue with some of the characters.
 
reading some theories today that Bran is the night king.

again, theory that Tyrion is a Targ. He mother was raped by the mad king, she died in childbirth which is why Tywin hated him. Tyron was also able to pet the dragon in an earlier season, something only Targs are meant to be capable off. So, Dany, Jon and Tyrion as the 3 dragon riders
 
Cheesy said:
Killing her enemies is fair enough...pretending she's anything different to Robert, Cersei et al isn't - she's just like them in that she's taking the throne and ruling because she wants to.
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This is medieval warfare though. If you allow prisoners to go free, you risk having to fight them again in the next battle. Long term imprisonment for large numbers of men isn't really an option.

At the time of Agincourt, when the French captured English longbow men, they cut off their right forefingers to render them militarily useless.
 
golden_blunder said:
reading some theories today that Bran is the night king.

again, theory that Tyrion is a Targ. He mother was raped by the mad king, she died in childbirth which is why Tywin hated him. Tyron was also able to pet the dragon in an earlier season, something only Targs are meant to be capable off. So, Dany, Jon and Tyrion as the 3 dragon riders
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point me in direction of bran theory, want to read but it must be bullshit
 
muller said:
I still love it.

Enjoying the change of pace too, feel that it was needed given the shows running costs, although I think i would have enjoyed a bit of additional dialogue with some of the characters.
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I agree, love the change of pace. Great television > logic
 
Will Absolute said:
This is medieval warfare though. If you allow prisoners to go free, you risk having to fight them again in the next battle. Long term imprisonment for large numbers of men isn't really an option.

At the time of Agincourt, when the French captured English longbow men, they cut off their right forefingers to render them militarily useless.
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Which is actually where the 2 fingered swearword (or flipping the V) originates from. Englishmen would show the 2 fingers to the french to show they've not been captured and still able to fight etc.
 
GloryHunter07 said:
Ok episode, Lots of pieces being put into place but season starting to look a bit rushed.


Im really not convinced about this plan to capture a wight, surely they should be busy preparing defences not fecking around with this. I imagine Danny will come to the rescue at some stage anyway.


Jamie is being played like a fiddle by Cersei, grow a pair man. Also, that whole drowning then resurfacing a mile away was too convenient.


Cool to see Gendry taking after his father but again it felt a little rushed.


Regarding Jon & Danny - who has the stronger claim to the throne, assuming Jon is the legitimate son of the next in line after Aerys?


I hate Littlefinger


I love Tormund
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It was also incredibly stupid; "I'm the bastard son of Robert Baratheon, yet another claimant to the throne of Westeros. Here, have my head."

The merits of Jon and Dany's claims to the throne will be interesting. Perhaps in atonement for the deluge of T & A in the early seasons, when the first question asked of every actress auditioning for a role was: " How do you feel about getting your kit off and pretending to be shagged by a complete stranger every second scene?" the show has spent the last two years with its lips firmly glued to the ass of Girl Power.

But Jon's claim to the kingship is based on the primacy of descent through the male line - a very politically incorrect idea. How are the show-makers going to handle that? They've made such efforts to get themselves back on side with Hollywood liberalism.
 
Sylar said:
So, how old do we think lil Sam is? Looks like he aged by a year or so since the end of last season, which is another good indicator of time passing by.
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He really had to be somewhere around 4-5...
 
Has Bran ever told anyone that it was Jamie who pushed him off that tower?
 
muller said:
No, Daario was the second sons, Cercei is going for the Golden Company, whose history goes back to the Targaryen rebellion i think? So there could be something there.

Can anyone confirm if i'm getting that totally wrong?
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Don't think the Golden Company's history has really been mentioned on the show, so answering properly would involve book talk, which is not only not appreciated in this thread but is also no longer a reliable guide to anything happening on the show.
 
Adam-Utd said:
So Sam is going to become head of house Tarley.

I thought they made it sound quite significant, especially when Randall begged Dickon to bend the knee. Tyrion went on about extinguishing a great house, but obviously Sam is still left, I assume he will go back home and suddenly find himself in charge.

I guess he will then defect his troops from the lannisters and go north?
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Didn't he take the Black? I think he's not eligible in any lines of succession.
 
NinjaZombie said:
Didn't he take the Black? I think he's not eligible in any lines of succession.
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Ah right, forgot about all that stuff. Tbh not sure who's going to stop him anyway, he's sort of left already?
 
Will Absolute said:
It was also incredibly stupid; "I'm the bastard son of Robert Baratheon, yet another claimant to the throne of Westeros. Here, have my head."

The merits of Jon and Dany's claims to the throne will be interesting. Perhaps in atonement for the deluge of T & A in the early seasons, when the first question asked of every actress auditioning for a role was: " How do you feel about getting your kit off and pretending to be shagged by a complete stranger every second scene?" the show has spent the last two years with its lips firmly glued to the ass of Girl Power.

But Jon's claim to the kingship is based on the primacy of descent through the male line - a very politically incorrect idea. How are the show-makers going to handle that? They've made such efforts to get themselves back on side with Hollywood liberalism.
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What the feck are you talking about?:lol:

Jon's claim to the throne is based on the monarchical system wherein the line of succession passes to children before siblings. Therefore, it goes Aerys > Rhaegar > Jon, and if none of them live, then Viserys (obviously not now) or Daenerys come into play. If Jon was Joanna, he/she would still have a better claim to the throne as the legitimate heir of Rhaegar than Daenerys does. Girl power has nothing to do with it.
 
The Hound and Dr Onion Man are going to share lots of screen time next episode. :drool:

This will automatically make it the best GoT episode ever.
 
Jorah is done for beyond the wall.

From to brink of death he goes back to Dany to see her drooling over a new guy. The tragic, friendzoned bastard.
 
GloryHunter07 said:
Well
i think he is basically set up for one final Heroic sacrifice for Danny beyond the Wall
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I think he will sacrifice himself to save Jon, because he noticed Dany's feelings.

I like Jorah, he reminds me of Ser Alistair in a way, their decisions seem stupid from the outside, but from their sick point of view, they make sense and are consistent. Good or bad, they both stay true to their purpose until the end.
 
RDCR07 said:
When it does come to battle time with the WW, how the hell is he going to survive without knowing how to fight? Also still a surprise how he survived the Battle of the Bastards.
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He'll use his cracking sense of wit, his unrivaled charm and his dashing good looks to get him out of any jam.
 
RDCR07 said:
When it does come to battle time with the WW, how the hell is he going to survive without knowing how to fight? Also still a surprise how he survived the Battle of the Bastards.
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He will just pay the fee like he did the guards.
 
Cheesy said:
What the feck are you talking about?:lol:

Jon's claim to the throne is based on the monarchical system wherein the line of succession passes to children before siblings. Therefore, it goes Aerys > Rhaegar > Jon, and if none of them live, then Viserys (obviously not now) or Daenerys come into play. If Jon was Joanna, he/she would still have a better claim to the throne as the legitimate heir of Rhaegar than Daenerys does. Girl power has nothing to do with it.
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It's more complicated than that. Jon wasn't born when the king died, so the throne presumably passed to Viserys. If Viserys was king, then who inherits on his death?

With so many Queens, the meaning of the girl power comment was obvious, and it had nothing to do with the succession to the throne.
 
RDCR07 said:
Didnt his watch end like Jon's? If thats the case then Jon shouldnt have been eligible for King in the North.
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Your watch only ends on death doesn't it? Which was why it was possible for Jon to quit. He actually really died.
 
Will Absolute said:
It's more complicated than that. Jon wasn't born when the king died, so the throne presumably passed to Viserys. If Viserys was king, then who inherits on his death?

With so many Queens, the meaning of the girl power comment was obvious, and it had nothing to do with the succession to the throne.
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The throne would've passed to Rhaegar's son Aegon when he died, though. Considering we don't know the exact timing of Jon's birth in comparison with the baby Aegon's death, it's uncertain as to whether or not Viserys would've ever been considered King. And then there's the fact that Jon was being guarded by actual Kingsguard as well; again, that indicates he's likely been legitimised with the intention of making him King if Aegon's dead. I still don't see how the 'girl power' comment is at all relevant.

Right now, from what I'm aware, we've got one King and two Queens. Possibly two more Kings, depending on whether Euron considers himself one, especially with his plans to marry Cersei, and depending on whether or not we count the Night King. Out of the two Queens, one is a mad, evil tyrant and possibly the shows central villain, while the other has come off much worse than Jon in their encounters, appearing self-entitled and more obsessed with her own claim to the throne than the safety of the realm itself.
 
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