Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

Annihilate Now! said:
Can anyone explain to me how Danerys is "one of the good guys"? She's basically a power mad tyrant at this point.... not massively removed from Cerci.

In this episode she basically told people to serve her or die... and painted it as some sort of liberating choice, how the feck is that a choice? Now I hope thats an intentional thing that the show is doing (along with the fact that she just wants her dragons to murder mostly everyone in Kings Landing).. but then she did all that shit in the East (killing all slave owners - regardless of their crimes, "freeing" the unsullied but still making them all do exactly what they were birthed to do etc. etc.) and that was always shown up to be great things she was doing.
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Game of Thrones hasn't really dealt with things in terms of good and bad though - it's political and about people trying to gain or hold onto power

in terms of Dani she can't land up in Westeros and win without being ruthless or strong - it would be unrealistic for her to not deal with the Tarleys

thought Tyrion was being a bit naive in that scene - all is fair in love and war
 
buckooo1978 said:
Game of Thrones hasn't really dealt with things in terms of good and bad though - it's political and about people trying to gain or hold onto power

in terms of Dani she can't land up in Westeros and win without being ruthless or strong - it would be unrealistic for her to not deal with the Tarleys

thought Tyrion was being a bit naive in that scene - all is fair in love and war
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It is, but she's basically now forced a bunch of people who are scared of her and won't be loyal to her in any way join her cause - how is that a good thing? Prisoners are also a big part of war, and like he said, the wall needs people... she might not be able to send them now, but whats stopping her when she becomes queen?
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Can anyone explain to me how Danerys is "one of the good guys"? She's basically a power mad tyrant at this point.... not massively removed from Cerci.

In this episode she basically told people to serve her or die... and painted it as some sort of liberating choice, how the feck is that a choice? Now I hope thats an intentional thing that the show is doing (along with the fact that she just wants her dragons to murder mostly everyone in Kings Landing).. but then she did all that shit in the East (killing all slave owners - regardless of their crimes, "freeing" the unsullied but still making them all do exactly what they were birthed to do etc. etc.) and that was always shown up to be great things she was doing.
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It is war
GhastlyHun said:
The one Arya found? It was Sansa's letter to the North, naming Ned Stark a traitor.
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When was that :lol:
 
Annihilate Now! said:
It is, but she's basically now forced a bunch of people who are scared of her and won't be loyal to her in any way join her cause - how is that a good thing? Prisoners are also a big part of war, and like he said, the wall needs people... she might not be able to send them now, but whats stopping her when she becomes queen?
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yes that's a good point

she could have supported John and weakened a potential enemy by sending those men to the wall

I think having witnessed what happened with the dragons in the battle and seeing the Tarleys incinerated it will make them fear her to the point of not challenging her again

but yep she could have killed two birds with one stone by sending them to the wall
 
DatIrishFella said:
"Our fathers trusted each other, why shouldn't we"


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so that's the significance of Gendry and his hammer

how useful is that going to be when you have more than one guy to fight - 3 swings and you'd be pooped with the weight of it
 
JustAFan said:
As I keep saying, yes there are things they obviously are speeding up, but one of huge holes in the time travel complaint lies with the complainers themselves. They are assuming that things are happening moments afterwards when it actually could be days or weeks. Those intervening days or weeks are being skipped because at this point in the story there is nothing much to be gained by showing all the travel. People even complained about the attack on the wagon train and time travel, completely missing the obvious points in the narrative that indicated at least several days had past since they left Highgarden.
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I agree with you partially in that yes, the time it takes for them to travel from one place to another is being skipped, since there is not much that much can be shown with regards to this, but at the same time, I do believe they are accelerating the process of time travel for the convenience of the plot. For example, Euron's attack on Yara's and Theon's Ships seems like a convenient plot move since there was no way Euron could have travelled so much distance without being detected or spotted whereas at the same time, Yara and Theon seem like they hardly moved at all. My memory of the maps is not good, but that was one point where I felt, the movement was accelerated just to satisfy the plot, but I could be wrong since I'm not a book reader, so I don't know if Euron has some special ability or not.

In my opinion, I'm sure there are other examples of this, but like I said, I fell there is more than a hint of plots being moved along for convenience sake with respect to the timeline. I'm not fussy though, I still love the show.
 
GhastlyHun said:
The one Arya found? It was Sansa's letter to the North, naming Ned Stark a traitor.
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Ahhh I see. That was so long ago, what were the circumstances behind her writing it? Was she forced?
 
RedSky said:
She was, by Cersei.
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Hmmm, so why is Littlefinger so interested? Was he involved or is he attempting to win Sansa's trust by being all like "look what I've stopped from getting out" etc?
 
Carl said:
Hmmm, so why is Littlefinger so interested? Was he involved or is he attempting to win Sansa's trust by being all like "look what I've stopped from getting out" etc?
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He could have set up knowing arya was following/stalking him.
Otherwise, he could show it to Jon so create division. If Jon listens, that is.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Can anyone explain to me how Danerys is "one of the good guys"? She's basically a power mad tyrant at this point.... not massively removed from Cerci.

In this episode she basically told people to serve her or die... and painted it as some sort of liberating choice, how the feck is that a choice? Now I hope thats an intentional thing that the show is doing (along with the fact that she just wants her dragons to murder mostly everyone in Kings Landing).. but then she did all that shit in the East (killing all slave owners - regardless of their crimes, "freeing" the unsullied but still making them all do exactly what they were birthed to do etc. etc.) and that was always shown up to be great things she was doing.
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Her self-righteousness annoys me more than anything else. If you want to press your claim then yeah, fair enough, but don't act like a saviour and liberator when you burn people alive who don't follow you. At least Cersei kind of embraces the fact she's a cnut.
 
Cheesy said:
Her self-righteousness annoys me more than anything else. If you want to press your claim then yeah, fair enough, but don't act like a saviour and liberator when you burn people alive who don't follow you. At least Cersei kind of embraces the fact she's a cnut.
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I didn't have a problem with her burning two Tarley's alive. This is Westeros not The Guardian staff picnic.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
I didn't have a problem with her burning two Tarley's alive. This is Westeros not The Guardian staff picnic.
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Killing her enemies is fair enough...pretending she's anything different to Robert, Cersei et al isn't - she's just like them in that she's taking the throne and ruling because she wants to.
 
Carl said:
Hmmm, so why is Littlefinger so interested? Was he involved or is he attempting to win Sansa's trust by being all like "look what I've stopped from getting out" etc?
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I see the situation as the other way, he wanted Arya to read it as he clearly knew she was following him. He sees the distance between the two and wants to exploit that. The scene with Arya sparring, and the one with them talking in the bedroom both confirm that for me.

If this were an earlier season, I'd say it might work, but as we are close to soap territory these days, I'm guessing the sisters unite in the end and get rid of him.
 
GhastlyHun said:
That opening sequence... Jaime and Bronn just waited for a few hours underwater for things to cool down on the surface or what? :lol:
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Dragon fire burns incredibly quickly. Pretty soon it would be smouldering. Seems like the action follows on immediately from the end of the last episode - although to swim across the lake or whatever with jamie underwater seems a stretch.

Although I think at this point in time you have to ignore certain little things and concentrate on the incredible story.
 
muller said:
Dragon fire burns incredibly quickly. Pretty soon it would be smouldering. Seems like the action follows on immediately from the end of the last episode - although to swim across the lake or whatever with jamie underwater seems a stretch.

Although I think at this point in time you have to ignore certain little things and concentrate on the incredible story.
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is that a fact :lol:
 
So Sam is going to become head of house Tarley.

I thought they made it sound quite significant, especially when Randall begged Dickon to bend the knee. Tyrion went on about extinguishing a great house, but obviously Sam is still left, I assume he will go back home and suddenly find himself in charge.

I guess he will then defect his troops from the lannisters and go north?
 
Classical Mechanic said:
There would be hell to pay when she caught you in bed with Missandei. Some things are worth being burnt alive for though.
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Have I mentioned my love for Missandei in this thread before? You mention her as though you really knew me. Now SHE is my type.
 
Shane88 said:
As awesome as it looks, Robert's helmet must have dangerous as feck!

Someone on Reddit actually spotted it the other day in the show. Not as fearsome looking as all the cool art pieces...

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Quick then, get the bloody breast plate stretcher!

Loved Robert. :lol:
 
Not to be one to moan about GoT, as I'm still very much enjoying it, but it is a different show now. Some people make excuses for the glaringly stupid things that are going on, but I just wish it wasn't being rushed so much and made into an action film.

Still far better than most on tv though, so I guess I can't complain too heavily! I just wish these two could actually write better.
 
Cheesy said:
Killing her enemies is fair enough...pretending she's anything different to Robert, Cersei et al isn't - she's just like them in that she's taking the throne and ruling because she wants to.
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True, but her methods are different.

You can't expect her to just let those soldiers walk after that battle, otherwise they would just come back and fight her again. Asking them to join her is a fair deal which they should have taken.
 
2mufc0 said:
True, but her methods are different.

You can't expect her to just let those soldiers walk after that battle, otherwise they would just come back and fight her again. Asking them to join her is a fair deal which they should have taken.
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In what way?
 
2mufc0 said:
If Cersei was in her shoes with the dragons she would have burned down King's Landing and the red keep by now.
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Which would be efficient, if nothing else. Daenerys' original plan to siege the city would've starved thousands and prolonged an already brutal war; it wasn't done with the intention of helping the smallfolk but instead with the intention of making them think she had their interests at heart.
 
Cheesy said:
Which would be efficient, if nothing else. Daenerys' original plan to siege the city would've starved thousands and prolonged an already brutal war; it wasn't done with the intention of helping the smallfolk but instead with the intention of making them think she had their interests at heart.
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It wouldn't be efficient though, it was discussed on the show regarding the damage it would cause.

Are we really arguing Cersei and Dany are morally on the same level?

Outside of actual battles (where it can be justified) Dany hasn't been as harsh or cruel at all compared to Cersei.
 
2mufc0 said:
It wouldn't be efficient though, it was discussed on the show regarding the damage it would cause.

Are we really arguing Cersei and Dany are morally on the same level?

Outside of actual battles (where it can be justified) Dany hasn't been as harsh or cruel at all compared to Cersei.
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Tell that to the folks she locked inside that cave in qaarth
 
One last post for every who is complaining about surprise attacks and acting like they are impossible, I strongly suggest you pull your head out of your asses , go read some history and find out that even in relatively modern times surprise attacks can and do happen. Even at sea.

You will also find plenty of examples of captured troops being given the opportunity to serve a new cause.
 
JTW95 said:
Is it just me or is Gendry a little pointless? After all that rowing he has done nothing special. Just went back to Kings Landing. Then he just tags along with Jon Snow.

He hasn't really affected the story at all.
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There's going to be a world to rebuild once the White Walkers are inevitably dealt with. Jon, Gendry and Daenerys all have a claim to the throne now.
 
JustAFan said:
One last post for every who is complaining about surprise attacks and acting like they are impossible, I strongly suggest you pull your head out of your asses , go read some history and find out that even in relatively modern times surprise attacks can and do happen. Even at sea.

You will also find plenty of examples of captured troops being given the opportunity to serve a new cause.
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Almost 30,000 posts! :devil:
 
JustAFan said:
One last post for every who is complaining about surprise attacks and acting like they are impossible, I strongly suggest you pull your head out of your asses , go read some history and find out that even in relatively modern times surprise attacks can and do happen. Even at sea.

You will also find plenty of examples of captured troops being given the opportunity to serve a new cause.
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Who is complaining about surprise attacks?

More so moving across a continent without a problem. How many conflicts did the Ottoman empire have with the British? (prior to World War 1)
 
Going by all the looks that Dany has been giving Jon,I think she's gonna bang him.. Even if she doesn't want it yet,I hope she does.. Then I realize they are both related and makes me feel weird and dirty for even getting such a thought..:nervous:
 
JTW95 said:
Is it just me or is Gendry a little pointless? After all that rowing he has done nothing special. Just went back to Kings Landing. Then he just tags along with Jon Snow.

He hasn't really affected the story at all.
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Gen dry has not had a role to play since we last saw him, now he does and has been reintroduced by the writers. Amazing how stories work.

Basically he went to hide in plain sight so to speak and made a living the only way he knew how. Not everyone is going to have an awesome back story.
 
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