Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

Next episode title released:

V1c0YEj.jpg
 
What was that?

Jorah taking the black? I seem to remember something like this but might be wrong :lol:

In my opinion, no. Thats the point though. Maybe she can have only 3. If she tries more than that, they might die in the womb?

If shes preggers at all lol. This might be a way that ultimately pushes Jamie away? (if she really did love him, why would she lie?) Dunno.
 
The stillborn kid she had with Robert. She mentions him to Catelyn when Bran is in a coma.

The question is, does that child count, since it was dead and all?
The stillborn kid she had with Robert. She mentions him to Catelyn when Bran is in a coma.

The question is, does that child count, since it was dead and all?
Could it be possible that the baby wasn't stillborn and Gendry is the trueborn son of Robert and Cersei? No idea why they would tell Cersei her son died, but this is GoT and weird things happen
 
:lol: DUDE! Its the soldiers she threatened to kill not the innocent civilians back at KL. She didnt just walk up to some random people and ask them to follow her or she will kill him. These are the people who tried to kill her and her army. Also you dont think there is one person in that group who thought the way Tarly did and was actually there to serve Cersei? Sure they should a few soldiers like normal human beings but that doesnt mean the other side cant exist either.

Do you want to try that again? I have no idea what you're trying to say here or how it is a reply to my post.
 
Also I have a beef with Jorah ending up with Jon via Dany rather than Sam telling him his father's dying wish and ending up with him that way. Even if Jorah and his father weren't on good terms it is unlike Sam to miss telling someone something that important.
Jorah taking the black? I seem to remember something like this but might be wrong :lol:



If shes preggers at all lol. This might be a way that ultimately pushes Jamie away? (if she really did love him, why would she lie?) Dunno.


Never happened. I'm guessing you're a pair of book-reading, TV-show-spoiling, consistency-lacking pratts?
 
I am guessing you are not really paying attention to the show, more have it playing in the background as you text people or something.

Yeah just getting all arsey about it doesn't make your points any better. Not even going to bother debating them.
 
I love this show and I'll forever be dissapointed at how rushed the end was. I enjoy each episode but I'd enjoy it so much more if this incredible story was told as it was in the first 6 series.
 
That really felt awkward to me. They both fell in right next to Daenerys, looked certain they were going to be pulled out by the Dothraki and captured.
Yeah it was crazy. Why would she just let them when one had tried to kill her and the other tried to kill Drogon.
 
That was fecking fantastic. And holy feckballs, Jon isn't a bastard, he's an actual Targ!

That was mos def on of my favourite episodes.
 
I feel like his delivery has got significantly weaker though, albeit the material he has to work with has been a bit different from his court room rant. That speech is a lot of people's favourite ever scene in the show in terms of dialogue, he quite clearly has the balls to say what's on his mind in an alpha-male way, but he's resorted to almost sympathetic reasoning with Dany.
It's definitely one of my favourite scenes. The scene between the two brothers in the cell as well was awesome When he goes on about his cousin smashing the beetles. Genius. Now you get the scene between them down in the dragon room which was lifeless in comparison.
 
I thought it was a pretty poor, disjointed episode and their plan to bring a wight back is daft, but Tormund's "and the big woman?" bit saved it cause I laughed so damn hard.
 
That was fecking fantastic. And holy feckballs, Jon isn't a bastard, he's an actual Targ!

That was mos def on of my favourite episodes.
Well all knew this didnt we already? You sound surprised. It was just a matter of finding proof since last season.
 
People coming in this thread just to whine are annoying.

Why the feck would they waste ten minutes on the conversation between Tyrion and Jaime like someone suggested? They'd already spoken about what Tyrion was going to say. To have him say it again, but this time to Jaime, would be the very definition of filler. If they'd done that people would've been upset with how they used the time since there are only two episodes left of the season.

Someone moaned about the Rhaegar reveal as they "already knew that". Well stop reading theories on the internet and complain that the reveal was obvious. For someone that hasn't been reading every post ever written on GoT online, I bet that was a big reveal.

And then we have even more moaning about teleportation. If you don't like shows that don't accurately depict time (according to your stopwatch), go watch 24.

In short, stop being such pansies and enjoy the fecking show for what it is.
 
This has been a great season so far. One of the best, though they've all been good. It's only season five I thought fell a little short.

I'm getting thoroughly sick of Daenerys. I almost hope Cersei destroys her but I doubt that's the way the series is headed.
 
Do you want to try that again? I have no idea what you're trying to say here or how it is a reply to my post.
Lets try this again.

So she wants them to see she's different by threatening to kill any that don't follow her? I'm, well, baffled by your interpretation here. I'm absolutely certain that scene was supposed to convey that she was acting Cersei-like, and not that it was some kind act of mercy.
Its the soldiers she threatened to kill not the innocent civilians back at KL. She didnt just walk up to some random people and ask them to follow her or she will kill him. These are the people who tried to kill her and her army. In spite of them trying to kill her she is still giving them a choice to live.

And lets also be clear about who she's threatening, the show wanted you to know that the Lannister men are common folk who are tired of war fighting for their pay; they dedicated a whole scene to that very point. They've tried their best to humanise the soldiers. The distinction your making is murky.
You dont think there is one person in that group who thought the way Tarly did and was actually there to serve Cersei? Sure they should a few soldiers like normal human beings but that doesnt mean the others actually believe in Cersei's cause.
 
That episode felt a little disjointed. Wildly inconsistent. In some moments, things were going rapidly, and in other moments, at a snail's pace. I'm ok with the time travelling thing since, the show is pretty much catering to the masses, but I don't like the fact that we are not given enough time to digest what's happened. Imagine if the red wedding had happened in this pace. It would be lost in a myriad of significant events and would hardly ever be one of the most memorable jaw dropping episodes in television history. Arya's killing of the freys hardly feels like a shock any more. Just wished they would give us more time to absorb what's happened. And no I don't mean placing an episode every two weeks.

Normally, I'm an advocate of quality over quantity, but by stretching the show to 10 episodes, I think they could have maintained a good balance of both.

Still love the show though.

Yeah, echo those sentiments. The story feels like it's being rushed now compared to the previous 6 seasons.
 
Well all knew this didnt we already? You sound surprised. It was just a matter of finding proof since last season.

Noooo! I never knew that Rhaegar and Lyanna secretly married. That makes Jon the rightful heir, not Dany. I just always assumed he was a Targ/Stark bastard as opposed to a Stark/commoner bastard.
 
Noooo! I never knew that Rhaegar and Lyanna secretly married. That makes Jon the rightful heir, not Dany. I just always assumed he was a Targ/Stark bastard as opposed to a Stark/commoner bastard.
What really? We've been saying for a while now that Dany has no real claim to the throne and that Jon is the rightful heir.
 
Lets try this again.


Its the soldiers she threatened to kill not the innocent civilians back at KL. She didnt just walk up to some random people and ask them to follow her or she will kill him. These are the people who tried to kill her and her army. In spite of them trying to kill her she is still giving them a choice to live.

Why are you talking about KL here? Offering the choice to join you or die is not a noble act, and its weird to present it as if it was supposed to be one when the show is very clear that it makes an awful lot of people uncomfortable in that world. Doesn't matter if they were trying to kill you or not.




You dont think there is one person in that group who thought the way Tarly did and was actually there to serve Cersei? Sure they should a few soldiers like normal human beings but that doesnt mean the others actually believe in Cersei's cause.

Probably, but amongst common soldiers I would strongly argue they are a tiny, tiny majority. Partially because we've had a scene telling us what the common soldier thinks, partially because no one has any love for Cersei (even the Tarly's main support is based in a 'she's not Dany' line of reasoning), and partially because, as far as I'm aware (I don't think this has ever been directly addressed in the show, but it seems obvious), the way armies are recruited in Game of Thrones is based on a Feudal sort of system where you hold land from your lord, who holds land themselves from a bigger lord in return for service. That sort of system heavily implies that the bulk of the army are fighting because they have to rather than because they want to.
 
Two observations:

1. To the moaners moaning about the rapid pace of the action: Don't you watch movies? Don't you know how compression of time works in the movies? Time is elastic in the hands of the movie-maker/maker of TV episodes.

2. It's the zombies from The Walking Dead that are slowing down the Ice King's march. He should have recruited better.
 
Why are you talking about KL here? Offering the choice to join you or die is not a noble act, and its weird to present it as if it was supposed to be one when the show is very clear that it makes an awful lot of people uncomfortable in that world. Doesn't matter if they were trying to kill you or not.
.
They just tried to murder you and you are still letting them live. Thats the main difference between the 2 queens. I said KL because she is giving this live or die thingy to just the soldiers not the entire city of KL.
 
Daenerys is arguably the worst prominent character of a top-rated television show in the history of television shows.

It really is infuriating at this stage.
I like her a lot. Also she gets paid $1.1 million PER episode.:eek:
 
People coming in this thread just to whine are annoying.

Why the feck would they waste ten minutes on the conversation between Tyrion and Jaime like someone suggested? They'd already spoken about what Tyrion was going to say. To have him say it again, but this time to Jaime, would be the very definition of filler. If they'd done that people would've been upset with how they used the time since there are only two episodes left of the season.

Someone moaned about the Rhaegar reveal as they "already knew that". Well stop reading theories on the internet and complain that the reveal was obvious. For someone that hasn't been reading every post ever written on GoT online, I bet that was a big reveal.

And then we have even more moaning about teleportation. If you don't like shows that don't accurately depict time (according to your stopwatch), go watch 24.

In short, stop being such pansies and enjoy the fecking show for what it is.
No.
If you don't want to read people discussing the pros and cons of the show don't read those posts.
 
Lets try this again.


Its the soldiers she threatened to kill not the innocent civilians back at KL. She didnt just walk up to some random people and ask them to follow her or she will kill him. These are the people who tried to kill her and her army. In spite of them trying to kill her she is still giving them a choice to live.


You dont think there is one person in that group who thought the way Tarly did and was actually there to serve Cersei? Sure they should a few soldiers like normal human beings but that doesnt mean the others actually believe in Cersei's cause.

HIs point that these were ONLY common soldiers falls apart at the point that the group also included the two Tarly's. So it was a mixed bag. And giving your enemies a chance to switch sides is not really that odd of a thing, even happened as recently as WW2....stay in this horrid POW camp where you stand a good chance of death or fight for us, choice is yours.
 
Why are you talking about KL here? Offering the choice to join you or die is not a noble act, and its weird to present it as if it was supposed to be one when the show is very clear that it makes an awful lot of people uncomfortable in that world. Doesn't matter if they were trying to kill you or not.

Probably, but amongst common soldiers I would strongly argue they are a tiny, tiny majority. Partially because we've had a scene telling us what the common soldier thinks, partially because no one has any love for Cersei (even the Tarly's main support is based in a 'she's not Dany' line of reasoning), and partially because, as far as I'm aware (I don't think this has ever been directly addressed in the show, but it seems obvious), the way armies are recruited in Game of Thrones is based on a Feudal sort of system where you hold land from your lord, who holds land themselves from a bigger lord in return for service. That sort of system heavily implies that the bulk of the army are fighting because they have to rather than because they want to.

Yes, they seem to be pretty much conscripts. Her sanctimony's been turning my stomach for a while now. It looks like it's turning the stomachs of Varys and Tyrion, too.
 
Yeah, echo those sentiments. The story feels like it's being rushed now compared to the previous 6 seasons.

Interesting. I've felt this season has been great, bringing together threads we've been waiting to see brought together for a while. The quickening of pace has seemed appropriate.

Maybe in another mood I'd have felt different, though.
 
Good episode, maybe with a lot of stuff happening a little too quickly, but that likely in order to set up what will probably to epic final episodes.
 
Too many of you guys seem like you've read spoilers or theories based on spoilers tbh.

There's been no mention at all that Rhaegar had married Lyanna until this episode. I think I mentioned it last season after the reveal that there was a likely scenario that they did get married but only ever a theory. But certainly wasn't clear as day.
 
I think I can see where this is going...

Cercei is already plotting to draw Daenerys into a trap(she even said so herself). She will succeed in doing so, because she knows that Tyrion trusts Jaime. Now, Jaime wouldn't normally betray his brother, but now that Cercei is pregnant(this may also be a trick, though), he will be more easily swayed. He will therefore trick Tyrion, who in return is Daenarys most trusted advicer. This will lead to one of the two following scenarios:

1. Daenerys is killed
Daenerys is killed and Cercei has seemingly won the war. That is until Jon discovers the secret that he's the rightful Targaryen heir. Daenarys' army will rally behind him and crush Cercei. Jon will also be able to control the dragons, for obvious reasons.

2. Jaime changes his mind
Jaime will change his mind at the last possible moment. In a poetic way, he once again betrays his ruler by stabbing him/her in the back. Only this time, he will die as well.

_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

I'm leaning more towards the first theory right now. I think Jaime will die in the process as well, because even if Tyrion trusts Jaime, he is not completely stupid. He will make sure they meet up in a way that ensures that Jaime will not make it out alive if they are tricked. Tyrion will, to his own detriment, overestimate Cercei's love for Jaime. She will sacrifice Jaime in order to win the war. She'll then marry Euron, who then becomes the new commander of her army.