I thought Ser Davos wasn't going?
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I thought Ser Davos wasn't going?
Good point. Still, some squad
What exactly have the army north of the wall been doing for all this time? They've been up there for what seems to be forever. And how is their army getting bigger (I feel like somebody said that, though I may have made that up) when the wildings have come to the wall)?
Otherwise, reasonable episode. The Jaime stuff was slightly silly imo and Dany's advisors are getting a bit annoying now. They seem to just want her to sit back, not attack, not punish lords that don't come round to her side etc. She's in a war.....
Actually screw that. The plan to capture a dead soldier is a very silly one imo.
Otherwise, reasonable episode. The Jaime stuff was slightly silly imo and Dany's advisors are getting a bit annoying now. They seem to just want her to sit back, not attack, not punish lords that don't come round to her side etc. She's in a war.....
Actually screw that. The plan to capture a dead soldier is a very silly one imo.
She does not have to flee KL, just get out of the Castle or away from this window you had the dragon flying in through. Then that would entail either having the dragon torch the city outright or during the ensuing battle that would take place in KL.
And just because scouts have not seen things happen in other scenes, does not mean that now in every single episode you can't have look outs/scouts. Even at the wall when the Wildlings under Mance showed up the look outs saw them and gave warning. I really don't understand this whole idea that if something is not used or fails in one scene that means it automatically can't succeed or be used in another scene.
I do think that it is likely that Dany's "peace overture" will be to let Cersei and Jaime go to Casterly Rock, rule the Lannister home lands, and be told to "trouble me no more." It won't work, but that will be the offer I think.
Army got bigger from Hardholme. I would imagine they can reanimate any frozen corpses they come across, and there probably are some. They can reanimate dead animals also, can't they? We know many wildlings did not come through the wall (hardholme), so there may be other groups also still North of the wall?
I still think the Night King and his army are either waiting for a specific moment that they can undo the magic of the wall and/or waiting for a big mother fecker of a storm that allows them get through or around the wall somehow. Maybe even needed winter to hit more than just the North, in order to advance further south.
That was a joke about the constant sneak attacks rather than a serious point (as was the bit about a dragon flying through a window).
Look at a map of KL and look how separate the Red Keep is from the rest of the City. You could easily torch it from the air with little or no chance of harming most of the citizens. Either Cersei's in it and gets torched with it, or runs away and hides somewhere. The overall effect is the same; she losses control of the City. Hard to see the Lannisters being able to hold KL without the Keep to fall back into. We've had enough hints about the City Watch being little more than sell swords to think they might turn on them anyway.
She has seen it :P
I kinda agree with this. I think theres a conflict with her character which is a point I was trying to make earlier. She wants to be seen as different but in certain circumstances, its the opposite.
Dany at times has to be talked out of going all Dragon on everybody but at the same time, this is why she has her council. For moments like that.
Fair, I thought where Cersei was is located in the middle of KL so for Dany and her dragon to get there, they would ultimately be spotted rather than stealth. And when spotted, attacked which the dragon would retaliate on.
Yes and no. The majority of the people south of the wall will not believe in the army of the dead. You have Queen Cersei who especially will scoff at it. The Maester's will not go along with it. You need proof. So you either make them all come North of the wall (never gonna happen) or you bring proof. given what is at stake here, the survival of mankind maybe, then yeah you might need to take the risk to prove their existence. Not the first time in the story they have attempted to use a wight (or at least part of wight) to convince those in Kings Landing of the danger.
Don't believe everything a witch tells you. Cersei has already had one more child than the prophecy stated
Yeah theyve got reanimated horses. Im hoping we see some of those woolly mammoths too given weve seen giants as part of the army.
I do think theres something stopping them from getting past the wall (has to be magic) hence why the Night King is going around recruiting as many as possible for the army? I do wonder what will trigger them to pass unless its true winter as you said.
They'd still have all their soldiers (the ones not burnt up with the wagon train) to fight. After all we can assume some were with the gold. The need more soldiers to do anything offensively (hence the need get some mercs), but they probably have more than just the gold cloaks in KL.
Dany wants KL whole (including the Red Keep) at this point in time. She may change her mind later, we shall see.
Though here is the bottom line, the writers and GRRM have decided that it makes more sense for Dany NOT to torch the Red Keep and potentially the entire city. Whining about it because it does not fit how you want the story to go, will not change it. So you either accept it or move on to a show that fits your taste.
That episode felt a little disjointed. Wildly inconsistent. In some moments, things were going rapidly, and in other moments, at a snail's pace. I'm ok with the time travelling thing since, the show is pretty much catering to the masses, but I don't like the fact that we are not given enough time to digest what's happened. Imagine if the red wedding had happened in this pace. It would be lost in a myriad of significant events and would hardly ever be one of the most memorable jaw dropping episodes in television history. Arya's killing of the freys hardly feels like a shock any more. Just wished they would give us more time to absorb what's happened. And no I don't mean placing an episode every two weeks.
Normally, I'm an advocate of quality over quantity, but by stretching the show to 10 episodes, I think they could have maintained a good balance of both.
Still love the show though.
Normally, I'm an advocate of quality over quantity, but by stretching the show to 10 episodes, I think they could have maintained a good balance of both.
Still love the show though.
More a time jump than time travel. 
The plan to capture a dead enemy does seem stupid but tbf how else is he going to convince people they're real? We've already seen that nobody really believes him as is. I know I sure as hell wouldn't believe him unless I saw it myself.
Also, they did try something vaguely similar early on with someone (Thorne maybe?) being sent south with a wight's hand as proof.
Out of curiosity, which season did Sam meet Bran? Interested to see how far back counts as "years ago".
Also, they did try something vaguely similar early on with someone (Thorne maybe?) being sent south with a wight's hand as proof.
Out of curiosity, which season did Sam meet Bran? Interested to see how far back counts as "years ago".
As I keep saying, yes there are things they obviously are speeding up, but one of huge holes in the time travel complaint lies with the complainers themselves. They are assuming that things are happening moments afterwards when it actually could be days or weeks. Those intervening days or weeks are being skipped because at this point in the story there is nothing much to be gained by showing all the travel. People even complained about the attack on the wagon train and time travel, completely missing the obvious points in the narrative that indicated at least several days had past since they left Highgarden.
They pretty much held the audiences hand to explain why they needed to catch a wight, and it is exactly that it the only way to convince people. Look at the scene with the Maester's, records galore there and they look at the stories as just legends, myths, or even a trap.
And yes, they did send the hand with Thorne to KL to try and convince those in power of the danger.
Loved Tormund's "The big woman?"
S03 E10.
End of s3. So it would be more than 4 years.
Also yeah, the plan is ... ok. The hand was with Alliser iirc and it was actually useless cos of Tyrion making him wait, right?
Is it the penultimate episode next week? Either way I have a feeling it going to be a cracker.
The flaw in the plan is 1) Cersei knows dead things can be made undead and that's not a sticking point; 2) Why on earth would Jon want to negotiate with her after what happened to Ned/Sansa? Jon's biggest problem is the lack of time and he's doing the most time consuming thing possible. He should be saying end this war quickly so we can fight the true enemy or he should be asking Danaerys to loan out a dragon or ride out on a one time mission to nip as many of the Walkers in the bud at once. Danaerys should not be asking for a truce after revealing her power either as Cersei is less inclined to not take advantage of her letting her potentially let her guard down. Conversely she was also inclined to keep applying pressure on Danaerys prior to her first loss, which all in all suggests it's too late in the day for any truce.
In the grand scheme the plan could help get a specific someone in the right place to fight another specific someone.
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Due to the fact that the Night King can raise anyone from the dead. So anyone who has died and not been burnt can be resurrected. I am sure the DK can find dead bodies lying all around beyond the wall.
At least the next episode is 70 mins and the last one is 80 mins. So we get 30 mins more viewing time.Yes
1) But which character from the other side knows this?
2) Cos he sees the bigger picture I guess. Everything hes done since Hardhome (and even before) has been about stopping the dead and that includes making a truce with the Wildlings. Hell, he made a truce with the wildlings after they tried to kill him and he tried to stop them, so he must think he can make one with Cersei if the undead is proven.
Assuming they don't run away at the sight of a dragon of course. The City Watch have never been portrayed as being loyal to anyone other than who pays them, so I don't think it is unreasonable to assume that they wouldn't be jumping at the chance to defend the Lannister's.
And chill out, it's TV. Criticising it isn't some mortal attack on your character. If Game of Thrones hadn't spend the first four or five seasons wanking itself off about how smart it was then it would be easier to stomach lazy writing, but there's no need to justify the terrible logic that they are using to justify Dany not doing the blindingly obvious thing. If not attacking KL was a decision they wanted to make, and it's one I agree with btw in terms of creating a TV spectacle, then they could and should have written it better. Handwaving every criticism away with 'YEAH BUT ITS WHAT THE WRITERS WANTED TO DO SO STFU' doesn't absolve them for failing to write very well.
I actually wouldn't mind that as an explanation tbh. We've seen her dragons go rouge in the past, and it doesn't seem unreasonable that they might here, but for the fact that we've seen them absolutely perfectly behaved for ages. Having her dragons act more like wild animals and being semi-feral seems like a sensible solution for the fact they're so vastly powerful. As it is they haven't conveyed that sense at all (I assume we're supposed to infer from the fact that she rode one of them that she can only control one at a time though) and have instead seen them being pretty much the perfect air support during a battle so far.
I said in last week that I felt they'd written themselves into a corner with the dragons, but I feel like they've done such a bad job of creating any reasonable flaws in terms of their power that it feels like the only way they're going to convey a sense that Dany isn't going to win is by killing them off. After a near decade of teasing them I can't see how they can do that without it being very unsatisfying.
I still say its not teleportation but just time gaps. But the line for the WW makes sense now in that they cant move beyond the wall as its magic is stopping them. And they are waiting for something to allow them to pass it? But in the meantime they are going around recruiting as many corpses as possible.
1) I'm not sure if Ellaria knew, but Lady Tyrell will definitely have seen him and it surely should have been discussed strategically about how well protected Cersei is and if a plan to assassinate her was possible (leaving Dany to ride in and claim the throne easily, especially considering the fragility of good will to Cersei).
2) Bigger picture or not he's been making a point of his wariness to talk to Southern leaders and make deals in light of what has happened before. The only reason he's Dragonstone is because of the mixture of Dany not being Cersei and dragonglass.
Yeah they sent the hand that was moving on its own even after it was cut from the body. Then by the time they could make it to Kings Landing, the hand stopped moving and so there was nothing they could do.
1) Cersei knows of one man who can make one person into a zombie, that is not the same as believing the myths of the old Night Kings and their armies of wights are true. Goodness, that is pretty obvious.
2) Jesus, really. You can't figure out by now that Jon, knowing the danger, wants to see an end to what he sees as pointless fighting over the Iron Throne so that he can get EVERYONE to focus on what he sees as the true enemy. He has not really hidden at all that he has that as a goal. Dany can't really loan him a dragon, since as far as she knows they only follow her orders. If Dany can get the throne without any further fighting, that is a good thing to her. I don't think a truce will happen, but it is not at all strange that Dany would be willing to try. Also, Dany did not see the scene where Cersei and Jaime discussed using the talks against her, so yeah while Dany will undoubtablely be wary, she will mostly likely not just accept any old truce that gets offered up.
I am guessing you are not really paying attention to the show, more have it playing in the background as you text people or something.
Also I have a beef with Jorah ending up with Jon via Dany rather than Sam telling him his father's dying wish and ending up with him that way. Even if Jorah and his father weren't on good terms it is unlike Sam to miss telling someone something that important.
Who?
Which makes you wonder, how far does the Night King's power go? Do the wights have to be within some sort of range of him (probably still a pretty good distance away and they still do their stuff, but are their limits)? Was the hand rotting just do it being cut off from the rest of the body and not up in the icy north or was it the result of being cut off from the magic that made it?
All valid points.
The stillborn kid she had with Robert. She mentions him to Catelyn when Bran is in a coma.
The question is, does that child count, since it was dead and all?
What was that?
DUDE! Its the soldiers she threatened to kill not the innocent civilians back at KL. She didnt just walk up to some random people and ask them to follow her or she will kill him. These are the people who tried to kill her and her army. Also you dont think there is one person in that group who thought the way Tarly did and was actually there to serve Cersei? Sure they should a few soldiers like normal human beings but that doesnt mean the other side cant exist either.In my opinion, no. Thats the point though. Maybe she can have only 3. If she tries more than that, they might die in the womb?
I also think she can only control one dragon at a time otherwise the other 2 go rogue and just burn everything (as they cant distinguish when they are attacking)
However im under the impression if the dragon is attacked whilst shes flying it, it will just kill destroy everything in its path (kinda like it did with the Qyburn weapon) and that might cause issues if there are innocents en route?
If drone strikes can kill civillians then I'm pretty sure three giant fire-breathing lizards would probably cause a bit of collateral damage as well.