Thats my thinking. Like there is nothing malicious in that letter. Is it the fact that she said Ned betrayed and is trying to take over the throne?
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Episode 1, season 1. The deserter was beyond the wall. All of a sudden he ends up within a short enough distance of winterfell for ned to chop his head off. Fast moving characters for the sake of the plot line has been happening since the first 20mins of the pilot ffs. Get over it.
But the north would be happy with that as they all supported Rob anyways. The north is loyal to the starks not the throne.
No my question is since LF planted THAT specific scroll and now that we know what exactly were the contents of it, what was he trying to achieve? I know he is trying to turn Arya and Sansa on each other but there is nothing malicious in that letter for Arya to be pissed at Sansa for.
Arya will be pissed that she wanted Robb to bend the knee and that she calls their father a traitor. She already doesn't trust her so this will just escalate it further.
Still can't see a route for LF to gain anything from it though
Arya always saw Sansa as the spoilt girl she was who only dreamt to be Queen and didn't give a fcuk about anyone else. Arya doesn't have full knowledge of what a prisoner Sansa actually was during those times, and as demonstrated in todays episode, she still thinks exactly the same of Sansa as she did back in the first season. Therefore, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that Arya would see that note and instantly think that Sansa had betrayed her Father and her family all so she could still marry Joffrey and become the Queen, as she always wanted. When Robb read it, Catelyn saw it for what it was, Cercei' words, but Robb didn't at first and Arya I think will assume the worst in her sister. Very clever manoeuvre by Little Finger. I'm convinced he wins the Game Of Thrones.
With any luck she'll bump off Sansa. She's the most annoying person on the show.
Ah I see. Makes more sense now. But Arya is right though. Sansa is exactly the same in the sense that she does want to sit on the throne. Like she saw straight through Sansa and called her out on it.
You need to go back to the scene where that letter was drafted. It's one of many callbacks to the early seasons recently.
Sansa all but pledges fealty to House Lannister and calls Ned a traitor under extreme pressure. Arya obviously wasn't in a position to understand the context.
Im not blaming Sansa for drafting that letter. I know the circumstances she was in. Im saying what Arya said about Sansa always wanting nice things and her not saying anything to Glover and the Vale is making more sense now. And it makes even more sense now that LF is playing each other against them.
It's laughable how fast the show is moving. Do the showrunners take us for idiots? Then again, most of the reaction in this thread seems to be positive so maybe they're justified in speeding everything up to satisfy the masses.
Don't get me wrong, it's still enjoyable to watch. But now it's a soap opera trying to tie up all loose ends as the finish line is near. Definitely not the same show that was so enthralling as previous seasons. I get why it's happening. Just wish it could have been pulled off with more competent hands utilizing finesse and better planning.
Season 5 just looks even more ridiculous on the back of this season. Showrunners had no clue then, did they? They were simply stalling for time.
Don't get me wrong, it's still enjoyable to watch. But now it's a soap opera trying to tie up all loose ends as the finish line is near. Definitely not the same show that was so enthralling as previous seasons. I get why it's happening. Just wish it could have been pulled off with more competent hands utilizing finesse and better planning.
Season 5 just looks even more ridiculous on the back of this season. Showrunners had no clue then, did they? They were simply stalling for time.
I think she knows. Have a feeling this is gonna turn out like the end of Return of the Jedi where Jorah is Han Solo and Jon Snow is Luke Skywalker. Jorah is prolly thinking that he's got no shot with Dany now that Jon Snow in the picture.
Not to fear. I'm sure this will all work itself out somehow.It's a new world. Davos barely batted an eye when he mentions that Tyrion's wildfire killed his son at blackwater.
I can get behind this.
If you don't see what that letter means to Arya, you don't understand this show.
One thing I found a little odd... maybe I missed something and I'm not one to usually pick holes.
How did Tyrion know that Jamie had survived? You go from him escaping the river with Bronn to Tyrion telling Dany that he will go to Kings Landing to speak with him... I just didn't get how he'd know for sure that Jamie had survived and would be there.
How did Tyrion know that Jamie had survived? You go from him escaping the river with Bronn to Tyrion telling Dany that he will go to Kings Landing to speak with him... I just didn't get how he'd know for sure that Jamie had survived and would be there.
I think the greyscale infection will have an effect on Jorah. Make him immune or something. Two others in the party have already died and come back. Wouldn't surprise me if that factor came into play. We're also 100% going to see Jon's uncle.
I think everyone understands what it means to Arya, it's just figuring out how LF spins it to work in his advantage when they do go at each other.
It would have made more sense for him to give the letter straight to Arya in an attempt to get her on side or alternatively show the letter to sansa before burning it so that she thinks he's on side.
Right, in terms of Rhaegar's annulment, how is this even possible when the marriage was consummated? Given the fact consummation of a marriage has been made an important point out of previously (Tyrion/Sansa, Sansa's rape) has the show just suddenly made an annulment despite a consummated marriage a new thing for convenience?
The problem is that we've had so long spent with characters aimlessly walking from A to B over the course of the show that it's hard not to be bothered by the fact that characters are now getting places instantly.
Jorah's arrival today seemed a particularly stupid example of it. Jorah is a pointless character at best, but we had to have him cross half the map in an episode so he could make lovey eyes at Dany and get on a boat with John.
No one would have cared if he'd died of Greyscale, and I really don't see how his involvement in the future plot couldn't have been driven by someone else.
I love the show but some of the writing has been so bad in the last few seasons. Jamie surviving at the start of the episode was ridiculous. He's covered in heavy armor and they show him falling to the pit of that lake but somehow Bron manages to find him and drag him all the way to the other side of the lake presumably without going up for air as if they did everyone would spot them. We are also meant to believe no one from Daenerys army is looking for Jamie fecking Lannister as apparently he is not a person of note.
The whole Daenerys can't take the city with her dragons is becoming a joke of a plot. Cerci blew up the Sept and everyone follows her no problem now. They could easily fly in Drogon and take out Cerci while she's in the Red Keep and they'd be little to no civilian causalities.
The whole Daenerys can't take the city with her dragons is becoming a joke of a plot. Cerci blew up the Sept and everyone follows her no problem now. They could easily fly in Drogon and take out Cerci while she's in the Red Keep and they'd be little to no civilian causalities.
Surgical strike vs carpet bombing. That worked well in afghan you know.
As far as I know they're weren't dragons used in Afghanistan.
Loving our little expendable/fellowship group at the end.
Pacing is a huge problem for me. I get that they need to speed things up and cut out the less important parts of the journey to show the end results of those journeys, but the problem with speeding it up is that it causes issues elsewhere.
So we're shown that Tyrion has gone from the battle to Dragonstone to King's Landing to Dragonstone, but in all that time the North has been plodding along at a much slower pace. I know people have been moaning about LF's lurking in the shadows, but to me it feels like his story this season is the only one that's moving at the same pace that we're used to.
Another gripe - Jaime's escape. I fecking knew that's why they threw him in the water at the end of the last episode. I knew it was to get him away from the battle to report back to Cersei. But instead of having him just flee the battle earlier, they make him charge at Dany, which raised all those issues with the poor writing (that huge drop off inches from where he was riding his horse in the water, the miraculous underwater swim to the other side of the lake in full armour).
There were loads of developments this episode, but the pacing takes away from them. They don't feel earned. When we finally saw the flashback to baby Jon last season it felt earned. We'd waited for Bran to reach the 3ER, we'd watched him in his training, and finally there's the reveal. This season it would be Bran setting off beyond the wall in the first 5 minutes of an episode, reaching the 3ER in midway point of the episode and learning of Jon's birth in the same scene, then by the end of the episode he's back South of the wall.
So we're shown that Tyrion has gone from the battle to Dragonstone to King's Landing to Dragonstone, but in all that time the North has been plodding along at a much slower pace. I know people have been moaning about LF's lurking in the shadows, but to me it feels like his story this season is the only one that's moving at the same pace that we're used to.
Another gripe - Jaime's escape. I fecking knew that's why they threw him in the water at the end of the last episode. I knew it was to get him away from the battle to report back to Cersei. But instead of having him just flee the battle earlier, they make him charge at Dany, which raised all those issues with the poor writing (that huge drop off inches from where he was riding his horse in the water, the miraculous underwater swim to the other side of the lake in full armour).
There were loads of developments this episode, but the pacing takes away from them. They don't feel earned. When we finally saw the flashback to baby Jon last season it felt earned. We'd waited for Bran to reach the 3ER, we'd watched him in his training, and finally there's the reveal. This season it would be Bran setting off beyond the wall in the first 5 minutes of an episode, reaching the 3ER in midway point of the episode and learning of Jon's birth in the same scene, then by the end of the episode he's back South of the wall.
Not really sure what's going to happen in the last two episodes, but I think we're going to be losing a few good characters beyond the wall. I think that much is certain.
I think Gendry's done for. From the sounds of it the producers through him in as fan service and don't really have any grand plans for him.
Pretty much agreed. Not to mention in one scene they find the direwolves as babys, and 2 or 3 scenes later they are almost fully grown like months have gone by.
I am still surprised this is a complaint, its a time jump which weve seen before.
Hell end of s4 Bran got to the cave, and it took a year before we saw his story again and he had aged a lot. Theyve done it before, theyre just doing it moreso now, not the biggest issue when watching the show.
I feel Gendry will be back, he has to meet Arya before he dies and also I feel he'll have a role to play in forging the weapons to kill the White walkers
I'm not confused here right? The plan is literally to travel from Dragonstone, beyond the wall, capture a wight, take it back to King's Landing to prove that the dead are real to Cersei, which then means the war between her and Danerys can be put on hold so all armies can travel north to defend the wall. And this needs to be done before the army of the dead reaches the wall from Hardhome. Like that is the plan?
Let's map that plan out…
Let's map that plan out…
TBH, the dead should have been to the wall at the beginning of s6 since they were at Hardhome then (esp if they are marching towards Eastwatch). Their 'march' has always been a question of wtf are you doing you bunch of teases.
He travels business class by Dragon Air, they're faster than X-15.
They walk really slowly cuz their dead.
Nothing too terrible in that episode and a couple of half decent bits. But nothing really seems to matter anymore; anyone can go anywhere, at anytime, for any reason, to behave in anyway they want, and barely anyone cares. It's like the show runners/writers have been given a half completed jigsaw and instead of looking in the box for the rest of the pieces, they've taken to hammering any old household object into the gaps.
The ending was basically a sillier version of The Muppet Movie, but that's pretty much the tone of the show these days. Ho hum.
The ending was basically a sillier version of The Muppet Movie, but that's pretty much the tone of the show these days. Ho hum.
Felt like a very rushed episode. So much stuff happened so quickly.
I still enjoyed it overall though.
I still enjoyed it overall though.
At the speed the dead are marching Cersei's fake baby will die of old age before they're halfway to King's Landing. Even Bran could outrun the cnuts.
Speaking of travel distance, Daenerys and the Dothraki went from Pentos to Vaes Dothrak in half a season back in Season 1. Take a look at the map of Essos to see how far that is. It's just that we were actually shown scenes were they rode, so it made the journey seem real instead of just teleporting between locations. I'm not sure if I'm annoyed by the pace they seem to be travelling or the dissonance between how they used to show it and how they do it now. There used to be substance to the journeys. Now there isn't.
Speaking of travel distance, Daenerys and the Dothraki went from Pentos to Vaes Dothrak in half a season back in Season 1. Take a look at the map of Essos to see how far that is. It's just that we were actually shown scenes were they rode, so it made the journey seem real instead of just teleporting between locations. I'm not sure if I'm annoyed by the pace they seem to be travelling or the dissonance between how they used to show it and how they do it now. There used to be substance to the journeys. Now there isn't.
Dragon getting a nose rub was the best bit, seriously.
I'm not annoyed at the pace of journeys as shown. Like we can skip them that's fine. But it would honestly be better if they just hung a lantern on it and had the good guys able to teleport rather than leaving this gaping plot hole where Jon is somehow doing a tour of Westeros to muster the defences in the time it takes the dead travel the short distance from Hardhome to Eastwatch.