How funny would it be if Bronn was told to join the Nights Watch as a way of saving his life (assuming he's captured). I imagine Jon Snow will be wanting to save every possible fighter and bring them North. Given he's been banging on about wanting a castle and a wife it would be a fitting end for his character.
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She's been dislikable for the whole show. She's a kid in an adult world. She's Cersei-lite at the moment. I don't think we're supposed to like her, she'll die before the whole thing comes to a close.
Like most people I thought the battle was brilliant but I still think Battle of the Bastards and Hardhome top it. Maybe it's because I prefer Jon.
Am I the only one annoyed at how Sansa has become a political genius when she's just been bullied since the second episode and Arya effectively became a magical ninja so quickly?
I'm pretty sure dragon fire is different. They are magical creatures after all. Plus during the battle, didn't one column of soldiers get turned into statues of ash that blew away in the wind? If so, they'd destroy the white walkers. Also, the dragons are Valyrian just like valyrian swords which can kill white walkers so presumably, the white walkers are defenceless against valyrian magic.
Am I the only one annoyed at how Sansa has become a political genius when she's just been bullied since the second episode and Arya effectively became a magical ninja so quickly?
I really don't know how their conflict will end. I doubt she'll let the North stay free, especially as they seem to be teasing her becoming like her father. I don't think the North would accept Jon giving her the crown as she's a complete stranger to them and her father and brother are hated by the entire North. A way out would be them marrying and they seem to be teasing that they are attracted to each other but didn't last series show that they were related? I know most fans don't remember, know or care but the two main heroes of the show having sex with their aunt and nephew seems a weird move.
I'm pretty sure dragon fire is different. They are magical creatures after all. Plus during the battle, didn't one column of soldiers get turned into statues of ash that blew away in the wind? If so, they'd destroy the white walkers. Also, the dragons are Valyrian just like valyrian swords which can kill white walkers so presumably, the white walkers are defenceless against valyrian magic.
There's a difference between fire and dragonfire, or something
The battle was more spectacular because it was the culmination of 7 years of waiting for dragon-bad-assery. Great sequence, but not as great as The Battle of the Bastards or Hardhome when taken in isolation. Overall, though, a better episode than both. Possibly only second to The Red Wedding, imo.
We got to see all 3 dragons destroy the slave masters to be fair, that was more epic I thought.
When Dany said "dracarys" this episode I'm pretty sure I almost cried
Lots of things in that episode didn't seem to make much sense or were quite silly, but feck it, that battle scene was actually bad ass. They just threw the whole making sense and script thing out the window and went for full on drama
We got to see all 3 dragons destroy the slave masters to be fair, that was more epic I thought.
When Dany said "dracarys" this episode I'm pretty sure I almost cried
Last episode of Season 6 is my favourite. Thought it was flawless personally.
Same, probably the episode I've watched the most. From the music at the start right to the end, perfect TV.
The wights get killed by regular fire. White Walkers only get killed by dragonglass and Valyrian steel. See: Sam stabbing Ol' Wrinkleface when protecting Gilly and Jon Snow fighting the White Walker at Hardhome. The one Jon killed walked out of a building on fire.
Considering the sheer number of wights, they are a force than needs to be taken care of. The dragons come in quite handy there. Dragonfire might also be different to regular fire, as has been mentioned in the thread. I personally hope it isn't, as that would make the final battle a cakewalk unless the dragons get killed off at King's Landing.
With regards to Sansa and Arya:
I read this on Reddit.
Sansa seems much warmer when LF isn't present. She smiles, laughs and gives away hugs and everything. She might have been hiding her emotions behind the mask of her bitch face when watching Arya fight. Littlefinger is there and looks at Sansa multiple times throughout the scene, so Sansa, knowing that he's a scheming, conniving little rat, is probably acting cold to avoid giving him any clues that he can use to his advantage.
Bran and Arya aren't a threat to Sansa's main ambition anyway. Bran has a much larger purpose as the Raven and doesn't care for being King of anything and Arya's only purpose in life is murdering the shit out of the people on her list. Their individual skill sets and talents are already developed enough for all three of them to be well on their way to achieving their goals. Bran is already the Raven, but seems to have some stuff to figure out. Arya is just a child, but is already arguably the most dangerous assassin in Westeros and Sansa has shown a knack for ruling a kingdom that the other two will never have. If Ned's children (Jon not included) end up having to figure out how to split their power Sansa is a shoe-in for the role of Queen, because all three of them will want her to be Queen.
This is all speculation, of course. For all I know Sansa will get played like a fiddle by Littlefinger in the next episode.
Sansa seems much warmer when LF isn't present. She smiles, laughs and gives away hugs and everything. She might have been hiding her emotions behind the mask of her bitch face when watching Arya fight. Littlefinger is there and looks at Sansa multiple times throughout the scene, so Sansa, knowing that he's a scheming, conniving little rat, is probably acting cold to avoid giving him any clues that he can use to his advantage.
Bran and Arya aren't a threat to Sansa's main ambition anyway. Bran has a much larger purpose as the Raven and doesn't care for being King of anything and Arya's only purpose in life is murdering the shit out of the people on her list. Their individual skill sets and talents are already developed enough for all three of them to be well on their way to achieving their goals. Bran is already the Raven, but seems to have some stuff to figure out. Arya is just a child, but is already arguably the most dangerous assassin in Westeros and Sansa has shown a knack for ruling a kingdom that the other two will never have. If Ned's children (Jon not included) end up having to figure out how to split their power Sansa is a shoe-in for the role of Queen, because all three of them will want her to be Queen.
This is all speculation, of course. For all I know Sansa will get played like a fiddle by Littlefinger in the next episode.
Good but their army of wights is bothered by fire. Notice they stopped outside the cave? Notice all the ones burned up inside it? So yeah you can use fire to defeat the white walkers because you'll likely never get near them with their army around. Simple enough concept to understand.
Wights are not the white walkers but you need to deal with them to get near the white walkers
So yeah fire, valerian steel and dragonglass are needed.
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IIRC Arya's sword is also made of valyrian steel
That was a great episode.
I wish they'd brought all these story-lines together three seasons ago instead of putting us through 20+ episodes of boredom and minimal plot development.
I wish they'd brought all these story-lines together three seasons ago instead of putting us through 20+ episodes of boredom and minimal plot development.
Well I'm glad I listened and stayed with it because I think it just keeps getting better and better, although strangely there is an awful lot to hate too. The down sides are how they often kill off main players all the time and how they seem to just forget about people before returning to them out of nowhere. Also, it doesn't do the best job of explaining the time line involved and it can seem all a little slow and if not much is happening for everything to happen in one or two episodes. That aside i'm enjoying it immensely and have been binge watching and have just finished season 4.
I do have a few quibbles about the last two episodes of series 4 and a couple of questions. Firstly, the way they made out it was 100 men watching the wall and the keep but it seemed like way more with the amount killed in the first few minutes of the battle alone would have been more than 50 odd surely? The Then warrior was slaying people all over the place and 6 died taking the giant down and the ginger archer must have killed a dozen at least. The numbers just didn't make sense. Also against an army of 100,000 (that never looked close to that) it wouldn't have mattered if they said there was 250 men on the wall, they would have still been vastly outnumbered and it would have just seemed more realistic with the numbers killed/fighting and the scenes showing people everywhere.
My questions though are, how the hell did Stannis get the other side of the wall with all those horses and men? I'm sure that wasn't explained properly. Nor did it make sense that there were supposed to be 100,000 in the tribe forces with giants and mammoths etc and Stannis made them surrender with an army 10 times smaller? That doesn't make any sense either. To be fair It is late and I am tired so I could easily have missed something, but i'm sure I didn't.
I do have a few quibbles about the last two episodes of series 4 and a couple of questions. Firstly, the way they made out it was 100 men watching the wall and the keep but it seemed like way more with the amount killed in the first few minutes of the battle alone would have been more than 50 odd surely? The Then warrior was slaying people all over the place and 6 died taking the giant down and the ginger archer must have killed a dozen at least. The numbers just didn't make sense. Also against an army of 100,000 (that never looked close to that) it wouldn't have mattered if they said there was 250 men on the wall, they would have still been vastly outnumbered and it would have just seemed more realistic with the numbers killed/fighting and the scenes showing people everywhere.
My questions though are, how the hell did Stannis get the other side of the wall with all those horses and men? I'm sure that wasn't explained properly. Nor did it make sense that there were supposed to be 100,000 in the tribe forces with giants and mammoths etc and Stannis made them surrender with an army 10 times smaller? That doesn't make any sense either. To be fair It is late and I am tired so I could easily have missed something, but i'm sure I didn't.
I know it was a Lannister army fighting. What I don't know is who took the gold to Kings Landing.
The Tarly army. Randyll says so, just before the Dothraki attack.
I still don't fully understand why Dany burned the food. Didn't she need it as much as anybody? And the battle was won, so it wasn't exactly going anywhere.
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dany should show her tits to jon if she wants him to bend the knee.
1)Hardhome
2)Battle of the bastards
3) Loot train
That is how I rank them. Hardhome by far the best because of how they introduced the arrival of wights/white walkers. It was really epic.
He technically doesn't know everything yet. He has all the information in his head but hasn't trained himself to focus properly. I think that's why certain bits of knowledge are only triggered in specific moments. For example, Bran knows Arya was at the inn with Hot Pie but didn't know she'd decided to come home. Baelish using the word "chaos" in front of him connects the dots necessary to repeat the "chaos is a ladder" line, etc.
Maybe she didn't realize it was food she was incinerating? It's not as if her and Drogon swooped down to inspect the contents of each carriage before deciding upon its fate. For all she knew, she was crippling the Lannisters by melting their gold.
But then if she thought it was gold, why wouldn't she just take the gold? Same principle applies really.
So as not to let Cersei buy more troops? She's already got a big enough army, it's food she needs to feed them, not gold.
Cersei couldn't buy troops if Daenarys took all her gold. And with gold she can buy food. And if she is so desperate for food, and she knows the Lannisters took all the food from Highgarden, why wouldn't she just check the carts on the off chance they may have food, before burning them? Or what if the carts had contained people, prisoners from Highgarden maybe? There's no way she could have known what was in them so torchhing the carts just seemed incredibly stupid whichever way you look at it.
Meh, the writers wanted us to see a spectacle, not sound logic.
That ending. feck. Bronn is my favourite character, Jerome Flynn is great, loved him in Black Mirror too.
The problem with Bran is, his character (or perhaps performance?) was so flat and uninteresting that his "new" character doesn't feel like much of a departure at all, thus I'm not really sure why Sansa/that random girl who he hangs round with are so shocked by how he currently behaves.
Must admit to being slightly disappointed that either Bronn and/or Jamie didn't bite the dust in this one. I guess it's more interesting to keep them around and have them meet up with Tyrion again though.
Not really sure why Sansa was giving Arya the stink eye either. They seem to be setting something up by reminding us that she's massively jealous of all her siblings every week.
Not really sure why Sansa was giving Arya the stink eye either. They seem to be setting something up by reminding us that she's massively jealous of all her siblings every week.
Can't agree, mate. The first thirty minutes were so banal and cringeworthy - poor actors trying to deliver poor lines. It was a mess. The episode was saved because of the final battle scene, no question.
Maybe I'm in the minority here but I wouldn't have it in my top 5.
Agree with those above, too. 'The Winds of Winter' is my favourite episode of the show - every single element of that was pitch perfect. An utter masterpiece.
In terms of battle scenes, I think we've had better, too. 'The Battle of the Bastards' was better choreographed and it had the suspense of not knowing what would happen. The element of suspense is eliminated once you have a few hundred men attacked by thousands of Dothraki and a fecking fire-breathing dragon.
In terms of battle scenes, I think we've had better, too. 'The Battle of the Bastards' was better choreographed and it had the suspense of not knowing what would happen. The element of suspense is eliminated once you have a few hundred men attacked by thousands of Dothraki and a fecking fire-breathing dragon.
Not entirely sure what purpose Arya's opulent display served, other than bumping up the sibling rivalry and apparantly looking cool man. I thought she had trained as an assassin, specialising in stealth and disguise. Does she really need to be a top tier swordsman too? Ninjas are interesting, and Samurai warriors are interesting but they are different things, that behave differently and serve different purposes and yes they are Japanese and something drogons. Would she not fair better with a little more discretion, given that she has a big list of names and no doubt a covert operation or two to carry out? Just a thought.
If nothing else I reckon she is muscling in on Brienne's patch; the skilled female swordsman defeating the men at their own game. That a girl with a needle can now match her in sparring sort of undercuts a major character defining trait. Up to season 6 Arya was always my fave, I personaly feel they've made her chatacter a mess.
Also everytime Bronn appears I think medieval Chuckle Brother. To me to thou.
If nothing else I reckon she is muscling in on Brienne's patch; the skilled female swordsman defeating the men at their own game. That a girl with a needle can now match her in sparring sort of undercuts a major character defining trait. Up to season 6 Arya was always my fave, I personaly feel they've made her chatacter a mess.
Also everytime Bronn appears I think medieval Chuckle Brother. To me to thou.
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Needle was made in Winterfell back in season 1 by the local blacksmith, it's 100% not Valyrian steel.
I'm not sure if it was stink eye. When I watched it I thought she was looking at Arya in a calculating way- like she was seeing Arya as a weapon she could use.
I don't think she was p'd off I think she was disconcerted.
In an earlier episode Littlefinger said to her I want you happy and safe.
Her reply was I am safe I have Brienne to protect me.
Then she looks down and see her protection shown up by a little girl.
She doesn't know much about fighting. She wouldn't realise how good Arya is. She just saw her protection humbled by a little girl.
In an earlier episode Littlefinger said to her I want you happy and safe.
Her reply was I am safe I have Brienne to protect me.
Then she looks down and see her protection shown up by a little girl.
She doesn't know much about fighting. She wouldn't realise how good Arya is. She just saw her protection humbled by a little girl.
I think the confusion in her reaction is mainly down to the fact that she can't act for shit.