A zombified blue eyed dragon fighting for the night king would be a sight to behold.
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A lot of time did pass anyway. And Dothraki were charging
I do wonder what the Dothraki have been eating all this time though haha
What about if Drogon or another one dies, and is resurrected for the army of the dead? Dragon vs Dragons 
And the Dothraki are a bunch of savages on horses who are used to covering ground quickly. The Lannisters had all sorts of shite to lug around, including enough gold to pay off their debts. That has to be a feckload of weight.
I have no problems with the travel times in this episode. It was nowhere near as bad as it has been previously.
I thought the first half was almost entirely junk. It felt like the antithesis of the last episode which placed the best actors at the forefront of the story and gave them decent material and room to breath. Here it clunked from a soapy unrequited love scene to a sub-Python guardsman standard, to girlies gossiping about the size of his Grey Worm. The weaker actors were set up with some half-arsed material. Up there with some of the worst stuff in the show.
The second half battle was spectacular. You really only have one shot to convey the full shock and awe of the dragons in battle, you can't feck it up, and that slow build rumble leading to the scaley crescendo really fecking did it. The choreography was very impressive and that fire felt real. A lot of it looked like practical effects too, wow. Music and sound design was spot on, sensational stuff. The scene with Tyrion muttering to Jamie was really fantastic, you really feel that split loyalty thing, the foundations for it have been built. That is character that is dialogue, a panicked man about to see his brother go up in flames, you invest in that emotion, those simple, base words "fecking idiot" have real impact. Loved it.
The really big crossbow solution/contrivance hasn't got any better though and the balancing feels terribly transparent. I felt the save was one cheat too many - or would have been 10 cheats ago. I like Jamie, though I honestly don't care if he lives or dies if it serves the storytelling but If you want to have that scene then I believe he has to go. Otherwise you are dicking the audience. You don't jet ski over a shark, you don't reveal it all to be a dream and you don't James Bond it in front of a dragon, thems the drama rules.
All in all though that battle was something else.
Someone with a nack for storytelling needs to go back at the end of this thing and cut this into a 40 hour or so play. Seperate that real gold from the Terry's All Iron Pyrite.
The second half battle was spectacular. You really only have one shot to convey the full shock and awe of the dragons in battle, you can't feck it up, and that slow build rumble leading to the scaley crescendo really fecking did it. The choreography was very impressive and that fire felt real. A lot of it looked like practical effects too, wow. Music and sound design was spot on, sensational stuff. The scene with Tyrion muttering to Jamie was really fantastic, you really feel that split loyalty thing, the foundations for it have been built. That is character that is dialogue, a panicked man about to see his brother go up in flames, you invest in that emotion, those simple, base words "fecking idiot" have real impact. Loved it.
The really big crossbow solution/contrivance hasn't got any better though and the balancing feels terribly transparent. I felt the save was one cheat too many - or would have been 10 cheats ago. I like Jamie, though I honestly don't care if he lives or dies if it serves the storytelling but If you want to have that scene then I believe he has to go. Otherwise you are dicking the audience. You don't jet ski over a shark, you don't reveal it all to be a dream and you don't James Bond it in front of a dragon, thems the drama rules.
All in all though that battle was something else.
Someone with a nack for storytelling needs to go back at the end of this thing and cut this into a 40 hour or so play. Seperate that real gold from the Terry's All Iron Pyrite.
I'm going to guess that they take out Cersei and then Jamie gets the Lannisters to join up to take on the ice people
Yearp.
I know it may sound as clutching at straws but they could have really done with at least 2min cameo of white walkers in the first 4 episodes to hype us up a bit.
I'm getting the impression that this season will once again feature little more than the White Walkers making their journey to the wall, with the final season being mostly focused on the battle against the walkers.
Will give a proper review later but that has to go down as one of the greatest episodes of TV I've ever seen. Arya scene alone was ... the level of improvement from episode 2 has been stunning.
... the level of improvement from episode 2 has been stunning.A lot of time did pass anyway. And Dothraki were charging
I do wonder what the Dothraki have been eating all this time though haha
hopefully Ed Sheeran
Except for the people who knew it existed. Though the impression is that nobody visited the cave since they had no use for the dragonglass. It was not valuable so why would most people care about it when they thought white walkers were just a myth?
Loved the Dothraki attack. Like a bunch of wild cowboys.
Likewise Arya's scene. Solid ep.
Likewise Arya's scene. Solid ep.
Lannisters can never be underdogs. From season 1 episode 1 they always a find a way to get out of situation when their back is against the wall. Cercei is dangerous and she will find a way out of this situation too.
I cannot fecking wait for the next episode, the next and the next....
Even if they weren't going to kill Jaime, I reckon offing Bronn would've been enough to convey the horror/difficulty of the whole situation. Not too big a character to the point where his death really disrupts the story, but important enough to be a bit gutted and have some sort of impact.
Is it me that sees the strong parallels in what Jon is doing with Daenerys and what Mance Rayder did with Stannis? Also thought it was a funny little comment when he said he "didn't have time for that" in regards to sexing up Daenerys when rewind back to Season 2, Rob Stark had more than enough time to romance during war time and he ended up... dead.
Could have worked, although it has nowhere near the potential of having Jamie snuff it. With Tyrion looking on, plus the high stakes gamble of taking out the enemy queen in the ultimate sacrifice to your own queen, sister, lover. It's the have the cake and eat it element that spoils it i.e. conveying the drama, danger and importance of Jamie's action but then undercutting it all with miracle survival that makes it feel slightly/hugely fraudulent to me.
Frustratingly close to being something really remarkable.
Oh but those dragon designs are incredible. The way they move and their modelling is stunning. CGI is really getting to grips with organic material.
Why is it a miracle survival? He got pushed into the water just before the flame would have got him. You clearly see the fire taking out the horse. It's not THAT hard to believe that he makes it out that situation alive
So are we all thinking it was Bronn who pushed Jaime outta the way and both are still alive?
Call me pedantic but it really bothered me that Dany went into battle with zero armor. Sure a helmet might ruin your pretty hair, but you're riding on the back of the every archer's target...
Also somehow giving Bronn ample time to reload and reaim his giant crossbow after that first shot nearly missed... What was that? Fair play?
Though aside from that the battle seemed well done to me. They did a really nice job with the build up, captured Tyrion's inner conflict very efficiently and did very well to illustrate the horror and destruction that the Dragon's cause. That being said I hope they give us a good reason why there was only one of them present.
Yeah, pushed out of the way in the last split second, by someone out of nowhere. Probably even a known character, like the mercenary Bronn, who jumps in front of a Dragon in order to save his good pal in a battle (or even war) that's clearly lost.
Also somehow giving Bronn ample time to reload and reaim his giant crossbow after that first shot nearly missed... What was that? Fair play?
Though aside from that the battle seemed well done to me. They did a really nice job with the build up, captured Tyrion's inner conflict very efficiently and did very well to illustrate the horror and destruction that the Dragon's cause. That being said I hope they give us a good reason why there was only one of them present.
Yeah, pushed out of the way in the last split second, by someone out of nowhere. Probably even a known character, like the mercenary Bronn, who jumps in front of a Dragon in order to save his good pal in a battle (or even war) that's clearly lost.
Now I could be picky about the fact that no important died but that was such a good scene that I don't have the heart to not pick.
Sending mixed messages here.
Partly hyperbole and partly a quip about "devine" intervention from the gods (show runners) who need him for more scenes later on. I agree it didn't require a miracle in any mystical sense to be pushed in a pond.
Why did no one mention arranging a marriage between Jon and Dany? If I remember correctly she was going to marry someone back in Slaver's bay just to secure one city and Jon could potentially give her the entire north without a battle. Imho Tyrion should've at least brought it up - instead of all the heavy handed "hints" we got instead.
And why is Littlefinger still in the north? He's just chilling there making omnious faces while the Starks take turn threatening him, it's about time the writers find something to do with him, that quote from Bran alone should've been enough to cause LF to either flee or get rid of him, I can't believe someone as calculating as him would just chill there waiting for Bran to find the real stuff.
fecking amazing!
Nope not just you. There are definite parallels between the two. In fact, at that time it was Jon who was trying to convince Mance to bend the knee to Stannis and avoid a certain death.
The difference probably lies in the reason for not bending the knee
Amazing episode. My only concern is the way they are portraying LF. I know LF has to die but it seems odd that after all the plotting and planning by him, he will die because of a girl. LF is a guy who always stays two steps ahead of everyone including us audience but now we can all see he is going to be trapped. Unless, he escapes this and there is a twist, it would be a shame the way his character is going to be done with
Seems appropriate that he gets done in by one of Cat Starks daughters.
Holy shitballs! What an ep
Wow wow wow! What a battle scene. So did the dragon melt ALL the gold that Lannisters were going to use to pay back the debt?
Also once the battle started I never saw that Tully general who betrayed High Garden. Did he die?
Nah, the gold had already made its way to King's Landing.
Before the Dothraki attack begins, Randyll Tarly mentions that all the gold has reached Kings Landing
There was talk of the other episodes also being released by the hackers. Any news on that?
Is Sansa getting jelly?
Yeah they made sure we knew that the gold was safe. So the bank still gets paid off. But now with much of the food wiped out, will Queen C need to borrow from the bank to buy food to feed the people or will she just go ahead with her plan to buy some mercenaries.
So what are her plans for the Golden Company? Use them against the North while keeping her own army close? Have them attack Dragonstone hoping to take out Dany and Tyrion? Maybe they have some experience against the Dothraki so they can help counter them?
Loved the sad version of the Reins of Castamere playing whilst Tyrion watches the battle. The music throughout that last 15 minutes was fantastic.
Can someone remind me about the significance of the dagger Littlefinger gave Bran?
Yes one of the stark girls killing LF is the way it should be. However,not like this. It should have been quick , a surprise for LF. Not where everyone can easily see that LF will be killed soon.
You mean the one LF clearly explained the significance of while he gave it to Bran?Remember after Bran was thrown out the tower window by Jamie? Then that guy showed up to try and kill Bran. The dagger was the one the guy used. LF then identified it as having last belonged to Tyrion or at least that is LF version of who owned the dagger (which was shown in the "previously on" scenes at the episodes beginning).
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