Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

I want the White Walkers to go smashing through Westeros killing every man woman and child in their way.

Then when they're finished, I want them to have an existential crisis.

"What is our purpose now?"

"Were these people our energy source?, what do we eat now?"

"Do we need to settle down somewhere? Build a community and find jobs for everyone?"

"What were we even angry about? I can't remember anymore."
 
I want an explanation as to why it appears there are no female whitewalkers, just how did the first one manage to reproduce
 
Arbitrium said:
I want an explanation as to why it appears there are no female whitewalkers, just how did the first one manage to reproduce
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Are they being reproduced? Isnt it a case of many being made through dragonglass (By the children).
And then male babies are taken by whoever is there and added to their army?
 
fcbforever said:
How do I argue he is unimportant to th plot? I just layed out why he isn't. But there's a difference between plot and story.

And Highgarden doesn't join the Lannisters in fear of if Stannis, but because they seek influence. They always tried to join the winning side. When Renly wasn't there anymore, the Lannisters were the winning side, so they joined. It doesn't matter how Renly died.

Also, I don't dislike Stannis. I like him and his arc a lot, actually
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They do not fear him, but they dislike him and know he wont forget that they supported Renly's claim over his. That was made patently clear. Characters throughout books and show have remarked on his unforgiving nature, Stannis himself said as much to Davos about the storm lords who did go over to him once Renly died. Another Baratheon but Stannis there and they would have supported his claim.

The main narrative is woven around a few characters and Stannis isn't one of them, but his nature and actions is hardly unimportant to the degree that had he not existed the story would be the same. He is as important to the story as Catelyn for example, despite not getting a POV.
 
Sylar said:
Are they being reproduced? Isnt it a case of many being made through dragonglass (By the children).
And then male babies are taken by whoever is there and added to their army?
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Aye that makes sense.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
That makes no sense. Heard of the butterfly effect? If Renly had simply die of an accident, Highgarden could have kept out of the war altogether, they could have joined the North, they could stake their claim behind a hypothetical claimant hostile to House Lannister, none of which would lead to RW. It's precisely because of the type of man Stannis is - he makes people uncomfortable with his unyielding sense of duty and justice - that makes the Western Alliance.

You are within your rights to dislike the character, but to claim him irrelevant to the story and the plot is nonsensical. The same sense of duty made him turn up at the wall and stop the Watch from being massacred.
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Another way to look at how Stannis affected things.

If Stannis does not kill Renly in the way he does, then Brianne of Tarth never gets blamed for killing Renly, which means she does not run off with Cat, which means she never goes on the mission to return Jamie and get the Stark daughters back, so she never goes in search of Sansa and then Arya, never ends up following Sansa to the North, and we shall see how that all plays out.

Additionally, she never meets up with the Hound. Never bests him in battle. So then does Arya get away from him and end up on Bravos getting all her training? If no then the Frey's live at least until someone else kills them. The Hound never ends up back with the BwoB, so he now is not heading North to fight the WW's with a new way of looking at life.
 
I like that in Season 7 of GOT, 2 episodes in. The only involvement the White Walkers have had is a 30 second clip of them wandering aimlessly about in the snow...the exact same thing they were doing at the start of season 1.

This will no doubt continue on into season 8 as there's no way they can have 7 whole episodes of them actually doing stuff.
 
noodlehair said:
I like that in Season 7 of GOT, 2 episodes in. The only involvement the White Walkers have had is a 30 second clip of them wandering aimlessly about in the snow...the exact same thing they were doing at the start of season 1.

This will no doubt continue on into season 8 as there's no way they can have 7 whole episodes of them actually doing stuff.
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I wouldn't expect much of them this season with every character south of the wall. I imagine this season will be about the battle for the throne and next season will be the white walkers.
 
Massive Spanner said:
I wouldn't expect much of them this season with every character south of the wall. I imagine this season will be about the battle for the throne and next season will be the white walkers.
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no chance. The biggest scene so far with whitewalkers will be this season 99% certain
 
noodlehair said:
I like that in Season 7 of GOT, 2 episodes in. The only involvement the White Walkers have had is a 30 second clip of them wandering aimlessly about in the snow...the exact same thing they were doing at the start of season 1.

This will no doubt continue on into season 8 as there's no way they can have 7 whole episodes of them actually doing stuff.
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All along I have suspected the White Walkers can not push much South of the wall until Winter hits in full force in Westeros. So I expect that what we might see is a HUGE winter storm that accompanies their breakthrough of the wall. Unless of course we see the White Walkers defeated North of the wall, where it ends up being only a small number of people end up knowing they are more than legend and the rest of Westeros just views them as old myths.

Also that once they do head south, it pretty much has to be very near the end of the story, otherwise it tramples all the other story lines as suddenly who the feck cares about whose on the Iron Throne when you are trying to save everyone from the WW Army? Unless that is GRRM's plan that once finally faced with an outside enemy bent on wiping out Westerosi-kind, then they all come to their senses and put aside their differences (highly unlikely ending I admit, almost zero chance of that happening).
 
Redlambs said:
I've been assuming part of the reason the ww are back is because of Craster's sons being turned and filling their ranks again.
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There were 100,000 wildlings to steal babies from too though. They'd be pretty shit villains if they're reliant on an auld incestuous cnut to fill their ranks with all them around too!
 
Massive Spanner said:
That doesn't sound like speculation, that sounds like you've read the scripts and spoilers online and know.
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:lol: god no, jons heading to get dragonglass, danys obviously going to need convincing and that's where a whitewalker moment happens
 
One other thing about the wall and the WW

Don't read this if you are not prepared to have your preconceptions blown away and something truly spoiled maybe.
Check out the season 7 trailers. Something is different when they show the wall and the area surrounding it. Something that might be a huge help to the White Walkers
 
Massive Spanner said:
There were 100,000 wildlings to steal babies from too though. They'd be pretty shit villains if they're reliant on an auld incestuous cnut to fill their ranks with all them around too!
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We need to differentiate between the ranks of their army, which after all are just basically zombies and the ranks of the White Walkers themselves, which I believe are much smaller in number and we have seen that they turn one of Craster's sons into one of their own.
 
JustAFan said:
One other thing about the wall and the WW

Don't read this if you are not prepared to have your preconceptions blown away and something truly spoiled maybe.
Check out the season 7 trailers. Something is different when they show the wall and the area surrounding it. Something that might be a huge help to the White Walkers
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would make things a lot easier I suppose, the less the show relies on magic the better
 
JustAFan said:
We need to differentiate between the ranks of their army, which after all are just basically zombies and the ranks of the White Walkers themselves, which I believe are much smaller in number and we have seen that they turn one of Craster's sons into one of their own.
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I know that but they can turn wildling children into their own too, unless they can only be born of incest? :lol:
 
Massive Spanner said:
I know that but they can turn wildling children into their own too, unless they can only be born of incest? :lol:
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Not sure, we only know Craster basically gave his sons (can't have any competition for his daughters can he) away to them. Whether they can do that with any children or only ones given willingly is unknown I think, but I may have missed clues. How much they may or may not have stolen babies from the Wildlings is also unknown.
 
What exactly is the chip on the shoulders of the white walkers? Like, what's their beef? What's their problem? Are they just your typical TV "monster" killing for the sake of killing?
 
DatIrishFella said:
Whaaaaat!? Thank the gods I didn't click on his spoiler, was just about to! Even if he hasn't read the leaks, I ain't taking no chances.
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I didn't read any spoilers FFS :lol:

Makes me think that MS has though and I'm barking up the right tree
 
Carl said:
What exactly is the chip on the shoulders of the white walkers? Like, what's their beef? What's their problem? Are they just your typical TV "monster" killing for the sake of killing?
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I think it's best just to think of it that the nights king also wants the iron throne, though more figuratively
 
JustAFan said:
Not sure, we only know Craster basically gave his sons (can't have any competition for his daughters can he) away to them. Whether they can do that with any children or only ones given willingly is unknown I think, but I may have missed clues. How much they may or may not have stolen babies from the Wildlings is also unknown.
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Well, they tried to take lil Sam from Gilly, so maybe they are just after baby boys near where they are?

JustAFan said:
Unless that is GRRM's plan that once finally faced with an outside enemy bent on wiping out Westerosi-kind, then they all come to their senses and put aside their differences (highly unlikely ending I admit, almost zero chance of that happening).
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Everybody except Littlefinger. King of the Ashes.
 
noodlehair said:
I like that in Season 7 of GOT, 2 episodes in. The only involvement the White Walkers have had is a 30 second clip of them wandering aimlessly about in the snow...the exact same thing they were doing at the start of season 1.

This will no doubt continue on into season 8 as there's no way they can have 7 whole episodes of them actually doing stuff.
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I get the impression there's not much character building to be done there. We don't really need to know too much about what makes the tick, what their family life is like and what their hopes and dreams are.
 
Massive Spanner said:
There were 100,000 wildlings to steal babies from too though. They'd be pretty shit villains if they're reliant on an auld incestuous cnut to fill their ranks with all them around too!
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Indeed. But if we go off what we've actually seen, and not random speculation, then it appears Crastor's sons have played a part.


Also as for the motives of the WW, weren't they created to protect the children from the first men? Maybe, despite the head honcho hating the children too, their mission still remains and that's to destroy man.
 
Carl said:
No. Children of the forest to protect themselves against people, right?
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So initially created as a weapon to fight/destroy the humans and their will to kill humans still seems to be pretty ingrained though they have grown beyond the control of their creators as we have seen them kill the last (?) of the Children. Bit of a cautionary tale there isn't it, be careful of your creations, you might not be able to control them.

In the end we don't know much about what the current WW motivation is except to still go after the human race. In the end, that is liable to be all we know, I don't for-see a moment where suddenly the WW's and Jon Snow begin to have a discussion where we find out what the WW goal or that they are just misunderstood and they can in fact coexist with the humans.
 
Sky1981 said:
I have a feeling that towards the end of the show there will be many things left unexplained, or rather abruptly explained in a few lines.

They have too many plots to cover in just 11 episodes left as it is.
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I read somewhere that the least series it will be 2hrs per episode, not if it's bollocks or not. Every episode would be like a movie in its own right
 
Sky1981 said:
I have a feeling that towards the end of the show there will be many things left unexplained, or rather abruptly explained in a few lines.

They have too many plots to cover in just 11 episodes left as it is.
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Not really. With wars coming, literally anyone can die and close pot holes as a result. As it stands two main plots to worry about - who occupies the Iron Throne after the war and what happens with the White Walkers. Thats all there is to the show.
 
Massive Spanner said:
No I definitely have not. It's just that your spoiler said it so definitively and opposed to speculatively.
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It's speculation. They've had 2 big episodes the last two seasons and the plot points to them having a prominent role this season too.
 
Arbitrium said:
It's speculation. They've had 2 big episodes the last two seasons and the plot points to them having a prominent role this season too.
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Maybe. I can see
it ending with them attacking the wall or something but not a big battle mid season. I think we'll see a spanner in the works with Jon and him going back to the wall won't be as clear cut as it looks right now. I do think next season will be mostly white walkers but this season will be mostly the battle for the throne, evidence in the first two episodes already sets Euron up as the main antagonist. Plus it sort of makes sense that the 'real' enemy will be the focus of the final season and this season will mostly build up to that.

Saying that, I hope I'm wrong because the battles with them are the best in the series, although I've no idea how they could top Hardhome!
 
The seasons often seemed to have a mid-season climax before the epic last or second to last episode. I think ep3 will be that episode. 4 a bit of a denouement, 5 buildup, 6 cliffhanger, 7 epic nerdgasm.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Maybe. I can see
it ending with them attacking the wall or something but not a big battle mid season. I think we'll see a spanner in the works with Jon and him going back to the wall won't be as clear cut as it looks right now. I do think next season will be mostly white walkers but this season will be mostly the battle for the throne, evidence in the first two episodes already sets Euron up as the main antagonist. Plus it sort of makes sense that the 'real' enemy will be the focus of the final season and this season will mostly build up to that.

Saying that, I hope I'm wrong because the battles with them are the best in the series, although I've no idea how they could top Hardhome!
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i think it's set up for the wildlings and the hound et al to appear at east watch by the sea at the same time, and the only thing that can happen there plot wise is the whitewalkers are there. I can't see those characters disappearing for the rest of the season
 
Massive Spanner said:
That doesn't sound like speculation, that sounds like you've read the scripts and spoilers online and know.
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Or just watched the trailer.

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Im still hoping the undead dont attack Jon ... or Beric.... because they are both undead.
 
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