Some of your thinking is hilarious!
Now if Jamie and Cersei go all Romeo and Juliet at the end, that will be bad writing.
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if that happens then I'll be disappointed. However, of Sansa lays a trap for Baelish but he ends up killing her first and framing Arya for it...
got a question:
Arya can impersonate any dead person? or only people she killed personally?
Arya can impersonate any dead person? or only people she killed personally?
Not necessarily who she kills. But yes only dead people. She has to acquire the face though.
Lannister reserves I imagine.
The direction and editing of some of the scenes has clearly contributed to some awkward performances in my view. Kit, sansa actress and Emilia are not always bad but they are limited. Better editing choices and more planning of the scenes could have salvaged some of the more rotton stuff. I think a lot of the outright bad acting can be attributed to some of the terrible writing, and it's more noticeable now as the writing declines.
You can certainly see a difference when the likes of Broadbent and Mcshane turn up but on the whole I don't think any of the actors are irredeemingly bad, the writing however...
And this was an attempt to defend certain aspects of the show before anyone gets angry I'm still going.
You can certainly see a difference when the likes of Broadbent and Mcshane turn up but on the whole I don't think any of the actors are irredeemingly bad, the writing however...
And this was an attempt to defend certain aspects of the show before anyone gets angry I'm still going.
How?
I still love the show.
The first few seasons were about characterisation. Then it became about facilitating the set-pieces. Now that there's a clear time-limit, it's about pushing the narrative forward quickly enough to meet it. I'm a fan of all three aspects of the fantasy genre so I won't moan. I think people get too hung up on what Game of Throne should be rather what it is. It's high fantasy made extremely well. Everything else is just there to serve that.
The quality hasn't dropped, imo, only the emphasis has shifted.
The first few seasons were about characterisation. Then it became about facilitating the set-pieces. Now that there's a clear time-limit, it's about pushing the narrative forward quickly enough to meet it. I'm a fan of all three aspects of the fantasy genre so I won't moan. I think people get too hung up on what Game of Throne should be rather what it is. It's high fantasy made extremely well. Everything else is just there to serve that.
The quality hasn't dropped, imo, only the emphasis has shifted.
Have you not seen Face/Off?
Magic you fool. She sounds like them aswell, how is a young girl supposed to perfectly master the voice of an 80 year old man.
Obvious answer is obvious.
A sharp knife and some Many Faced God magic.
He is the Jorge Mendes of GoT. His agenda will perennially be to get the best deal for himself. That, and obtain pleasure from using people as pawns.
I quite like him actually. Everybody else in the series seems to be driven by hormones. Baelish and Varys are the only sane ones left. Maybe Tyrion.
Don't forget Hot Pie. He's driven by the gravy.
And browned butter.
It wouldn't surprise if the final battle for the Iron Throne
turned out to be between Littlefinger and Varys. The former will be a force for tyrannical stability, and the latter for a free democracy.
Going as far as surprises go, think that would top the lot. But I highly doubt it cause way toooooo many main characters have to die for that to happen.
They're really good friends in real life. Go to gigs and stuff together.
I thought the exact same as Dante. The two of them seem about the only characters who are in control and not driven or distracted by emotion/mistrust, etc....and they are both good at manipulating others and situations in general, both expressed desires one way or another to have control over the kingdoms, plus they keep cropping up in prominent places to the main plot...and have kind of been built as rivals. It can't be by accident.
I think there's a dark side to Varys though and he's not necessarily the good guy. The whole basis of him being good is because Tyrian trusts him, but he's behaved deliberately in a way to get Tyrian to trust him. Whenever questioned he just says he "serves the realm" or the people. He's never done anything to prove his motives aren't selfish.
You think so? I reckon the foreshadowing for it has been huge. If anything, I kind of wish I'd never thought of it. In terms of poetic circularity, it's almost the perfect ending.
Littlefinger and Varys have been countervailing forces to each other since almost the first episode. They're incredibly similar but also incredibly different. Both have talked about their ultimate hopes for Westeros and they're polar opposites of each other.
On the one hand Sansa has admitted to admiring Cersei and has Littlefinger as her advisor. On the other, Danerys has hopes of being a just ruler (unlike her father) and has Varys as advisor. It would be just like GRRM to subvert the final showdown for the 'War of the Five Kings' into the 'War of the Two Queens'. And then for them both to perish and the final battle to be between two people who aren't in any way Aristocratic. A 'War of the Two Commoners', who represent totally different ideologies.
After being savaged by the White Walkers and the Dothraki, you could see why the people of Westeros might split their support between one or the other. Neither will be the clear better choice. Just how the author would like it.
On the one hand Sansa has admitted to admiring Cersei and has Littlefinger as her advisor. On the other, Danerys has hopes of being a just ruler (unlike her father) and has Varys as advisor. It would be just like GRRM to subvert the final showdown for the 'War of the Five Kings' into the 'War of the Two Queens'. And then for them both to perish and the final battle to be between two people who aren't in any way Aristocratic. A 'War of the Two Commoners', who represent totally different ideologies.
After being savaged by the White Walkers and the Dothraki, you could see why the people of Westeros might split their support between one or the other. Neither will be the clear better choice. Just how the author would like it.
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It would certainly shine a different light on their earlier scenes from s2
With regards to LF:
I can see him scheming for the next ep or 2 but I have a feeling he has no idea about Arya and more so Bran. Bran will be the big wrench in his plans as LF wont be able to control Bran. And Bran and Arya will clear Sansa mind as has been mentioned before.
I think LF will try to parallel what he did with Ned but ultimately fail this time (and maybe even sent to the dungeons)
I think LF will try to parallel what he did with Ned but ultimately fail this time (and maybe even sent to the dungeons)
For Arya does the person need to be dead? When she went blind, didnt she see her own face on that body? So does somebody need to be dead? Or was that only something Jaqen can do? hmmm
Not really. First, the cure was already known (but labeled as "too dangerous"). Second, Sam already showed that at the biggest moments he steps up. Especially here, where he not only has to save a man's life (plus the son of his former Commander), but he is using an ancient restricted science.
And Gendry. He is just rowing.
I think a lot of the main characters will die out fighting the White Walkers. It wouldn't surprise me if all the Starks, bar Sansa, are killed. And that that bereavement is the final trigger to turn her full-on evil, the way Cersei turned gradually more evil with every death of a family member.
Like I said, it's poetic. She'll become exactly what she once despised.
Like I said, it's poetic. She'll become exactly what she once despised.
That would mean youre expecting the WW to kill characters late this season or early next?
I know
I have this crazy idea that Varys is a secret Targ who somehow survived and then was sold into slavery. He's bald because with hair color being a big thing in GoT (red for Tully, dirty blonde Lannisters, dark brunette Starks, brunette Baratheons), he shaves it to hide his identity. The platinum Blonde being a dead giveaway for a Targ...except for Jon, dominant hair genes and all that (there's a research project for you Sam!).
That almost certainly won't come to be, but it would help your theory.
And I do agree with Sansa outlasting basically everyone...
That almost certainly won't come to be, but it would help your theory.
And I do agree with Sansa outlasting basically everyone...
I feel like some of the magic is gone. Too many convenient plot magic going on. Did Euron just wait out near Sunspear to ambush his niece and nephew? How did he know they were headed there anyway?
Or did all that happen just so the writers could kill of the Stupid Snakes and their stupid mother?
Or did all that happen just so the writers could kill of the Stupid Snakes and their stupid mother?
I agree there are seem to be a lot more little convenient plot devices that are undermining the quality of the show, but of all the things you could have picked you picked something that is easily explainable. Euron was leaving King's Landing and the only way out of Blackwater Bay takes you to Dragonstone.
Plus, he already mentioned to Cersei he was going to bring her a gift, so no doubt he already knew they were arriving on Dragonstone. It doesn't take a leap to suggest he had scouts.
Ok so that's covered.
How the hell did Euron managed to sneak up on a fleet of ships with his own fleet of ships? Black Sails ruined that scene for me.
Ok so that's covered.
How the hell did Euron managed to sneak up on a fleet of ships with his own fleet of ships? Black Sails ruined that scene for me.
He has some magic fog that hides him apparently.
I don't necessarily think it's bad writing alone, previously on GoT characters have longer arc and showtime to properly built up their characters through event that's happening, there's not a lot the actor can do to show characters when all they have is a few line here and there in a very minimal screentime, sometime less than 5 minutes each whereas previously they have a few episode in a season.
Can't blame the writers too tbf too them, there's not many things they can do with limited lines and important things to flesh out. Sure they can write better things but better things means longer scene and time, something they don't have now that they only have a few episode left to wrap up the show.
The thing that bugs me is that they were the ones pushing for two shorter seasons to wrap things up. That annoyed me primarily because I'd prefer more GoT, but now it's annoying me because this season could do with slowing down a bit. A bit more time between Euron promising Cersei a gift and then destroying Yara's fleet would have felt less rushed. As would having more time between Sam arriving at the Citadel and suddenly discovering the secret vault of dragon glass and curing greyscale.
A lot of people criticised the show for so-called filler episodes, just because some shows had no major action set-pieces. I was never really one of those people, so I'm not entirely comfortable with this faster pace.
Edit: And don't get me started on Euron's army of super efficient ship builders!
to be fair, I think the main reason they pushed for shorter episodes was budget - actors wanting more money per episode and requiring more and more spectacular set pieces.
We have no idea on the actualy storyline and how they want to end this, but seeing how there's still alot of arcs left unsolved (Danny, Cercey, John, bran, Sam, Jorah, Varus, LF) there are really no time to slow down. If they go slow and built up each scene they won't fit 7 episodes.
Let's say they give another 5 minute of Euron and his shipbuilding, another 2 minutes on the audience with Cercei, another 15 minutes establishing Euron as a bad ass, add another 10 for Yara journey leading up the ambush, that's easily 30 minutes ( half an episode ) , so it really just isn't possible.
It's not ideal I know, but if they want it wrapped next season there is no other way than to fast forward alot of things.
Remember when we have half an episode of Arya getting stick beaten and "the girl isn't ready"?
All probably comes down to budget and parts of the main story left. If they are saving budget for the main wars to make it as epic as possible (eg battle of KL and battle vs WW), it makes sense to make cuts in other places. I think 5 or 6 seasons of build has been perfect for 2 seasons of end game. I think cutting down on some stuff (like the time it takes Sam to find how to cure greyscale makes sense - esp as hes been there for a long time now). I think the time shift has happened as we can see some weeks even months have passed.
That would be quite something. Maybe he was a bastard Targ? The hair shaving thing would be quite something.
Re' Sansa, if that does happen, it can then be pointed to one of the earlier seasons in hindsight where Tyrion said 'youll outlast us all'
Re' Sansa, if that does happen, it can then be pointed to one of the earlier seasons in hindsight where Tyrion said 'youll outlast us all'
Finally someone said it.
Genuinely a conversation between my friend and me last night when we were talking about the pacing of this season:
Great thanks.