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My prediction for the Euron/Cersei situation.

I personally think it's quite clear Euron drives a wedge between Jamie and Cersei and that's what leads Jamie to ultimately kill her near the end. Bronn and Bad pussay will possibly play a part too.
 
If Euron and Cersei get married, who calls the shots? Like when Robert and Cersei were married, she was still queen but Robert the King was the leader who sat on the throne. Whats the situation going to be like with Euron and Cersei?
 
Redlambs said:
My prediction for the Euron/Cersei situation.

I personally think it's quite clear Euron drives a wedge between Jamie and Cersei and that's what leads Jamie to ultimately kill her near the end. Bronn and Bad pussay will possibly play a part too.
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Bronn dies trying to save bad pussy from being given to Frankenmountain
 
JustAFan said:
Bronn dies trying to save bad pussy from being given to Frankenmountain
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If Bronn tries to save BP you'd have to imagine it's because Tyrion offers him a big reward to do it. He's not exactly mister sentimental.
 
iKnowNothing said:
Agree with a lot of this. I think the reason Euron isn't coming across as a menacing character is because it's only about the 4th episode in the whole series that we even see him and all "bad guy" dialogue and brutal killings only go so far in establishing a character. For now, nobody really cares about him.

I feel they're underutilizing Littlefinger. He could've become the villain the show needs.
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I hoped that he would have become the villain of the show, ever since he first "rescued" Sansa. At the end of that season when it looks like Sansa may have found a way to manipulate him, followed immediately when he pawns her off to the Boltons at the very start of season 5 I thought "holy shit, he's always a step ahead of everyone". He always hid in the shadows and quietly pulled the puppet strings, but this season he's already managed to be caught out by Jon "I actually know everything" Snow.

Maybe he'll turn it around, but like Tyrion, Jaime and Cersei I worry that his story arc has ended and he's become nothing more than one dimensional.
 
Whats Littlefinger's main agenda? Does he want Snow to die and for him to marry Sansa and take over the North?
 
RDCR07 said:
Whats Littlefinger's main agenda? Does he want Snow to die and for him to marry Sansa and take over the North?
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From what he has hinted at/straight out said in previous episodes. 1) Get Sansa, since her mother is no longer an option. 2) Create as much chaos as possible so he can move up the ladder of power. Possibly ultimate goal to be King Littlefinger.
 
RDCR07 said:
Whats Littlefinger's main agenda? Does he want Snow to die and for him to marry Sansa and take over the North?
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No one's really sure at this point. He clearly wants Sansa and he also wants power, but he's in a position where the former doesn't trust him and he's got no viable way of obtaining the latter. I struggle to see how he'll come close to succeeding. At best he'll drive a wedge between Northern factions and cause some tension. The writers could be more subtle than "lingering shot of Littlefinger lurking creepily" every time someone has a line of dialogue that could possibly play to his advantage.
 
Jon grabbing Littlefinger by the throat was a bit of a call back to Ned grabbing him by the throat in season 1. Sure seems like Jon is the big obstacle in Littlefinger's way atm.
 
JustAFan said:
From what he has hinted at/straight out said in previous episodes. 1) Get Sansa, since her mother is no longer an option. 2) Create as much chaos as possible so he can move up the ladder of power. Possibly ultimate goal to be King Littlefinger.
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Him becoming King of the Iron Throne has literally no chance of happening. Maybe the North if he gets his way with Sansa.
 
sullydnl said:
If Bronn tries to save BP you'd have to imagine it's because Tyrion offers him a big reward to do it. He's not exactly mister sentimental.
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Yeah but when has he ever had bad pussy to look forward to? I think he is in love and will give all to save her, I am basing this on nothing that has in anyway been indicated anywhere other than my own mind.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
I hoped that he would have become the villain of the show, ever since he first "rescued" Sansa. At the end of that season when it looks like Sansa may have found a way to manipulate him, followed immediately when he pawns her off to the Boltons at the very start of season 5 I thought "holy shit, he's always a step ahead of everyone". He always hid in the shadows and quietly pulled the puppet strings, but this season he's already managed to be caught out by Jon "I actually know everything" Snow.

Maybe he'll turn it around, but like Tyrion, Jaime and Cersei I worry that his story arc has ended and he's become nothing more than one dimensional.
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Considering he pretty much engineers the war at the start of the series, you'd have thought that was the general direction they'd head in but ever since pawning off Sansa I think the writers have found themselves written into a corner because as a result she inherently won't trust him now which makes any future power plays he can make fairly restricted.
 
RDCR07 said:
Him becoming King of the Iron Throne has literally no chance of happening. Maybe the North if he gets his way with Sansa.
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Even then I don't think the Northern Lords would ever tolerate him for long.
 
Cheesy said:
Even then I don't think the Northern Lords would ever tolerate him for long.
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The story wont go so far. This will end with either him dying or if he miraculously survives till the end of the show, then it will end with him becoming king of some portion of the realm.
 
I understand complaints about Jon and Dany being portrayed as weak leaders trying too hard, but I really am not sure whether it's bad acting or a deliberate decision.
 
RDCR07 said:
The story wont go so far. This will end with either him dying or if he miraculously survives till the end of the show, then it will end with him becoming king of some portion of the realm.
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I think he'll die in the end. At best he'd manage a sort of cowards escape to Essos in a "not all villains die" type move, but I don't think he'll manage to build enough credibility/support to ever rule any part of Westeros.
 
RDCR07 said:
Him becoming King of the Iron Throne has literally no chance of happening.
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Outside chance at best, but that does not mean it is not his goal. He has been very clear about trying to move up the ladder to use his term. He was instrumental in creating much of the mess Westeros now finds itself in and he has tried to use that to his advantage. Moved from money guy at the castle to Lord of Harrenhel (spelling wrong I am sorry), to marrying into a role where the controls the Vale, now angling to gain control of the North as well, which would leave him in charge of a decent chunk of land and a decent army). Still unmarried, so a chance to align with another major house if needed. So I doubt he will achieve his end goal, but I don't doubt that he see's that as the ultimate end game for himself.
 
NinjaFletch said:
I understand complaints about Jon and Dany being portrayed as weak leaders trying too hard, but I really am not sure whether it's bad acting or a deliberate decision.
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Dany is definitely poor acting. She has been the same since the start - a bad actor. Jon in my opinion isnt a particularly bad actor. I like him.
 
Cheesy said:
Considering he pretty much engineers the war at the start of the series, you'd have thought that was the general direction they'd head in but ever since pawning off Sansa I think the writers have found themselves written into a corner because as a result she inherently won't trust him now which makes any future power plays he can make fairly restricted.
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True, but he's sneaky and therefore he should use his......sneak to sneak his way into power. Like some sort of sneaky...feck I don't know. I'm not a writer on a hit HBO show.
 
Redlambs said:
My prediction for the Euron/Cersei situation.

I personally think it's quite clear Euron drives a wedge between Jamie and Cersei and that's what leads Jamie to ultimately kill her near the end. Bronn and Bad pussay will possibly play a part too.
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Bad Pussy won't last long once she's in King's Landing. She's the daughter of the woman who killed Cersei's daughter, and Cersei won't forget that. I imagine she'll be killed by poison and she'll force Ellaria to watch her die. However, I do agree that Euron will begin to drive a wedge between Jaime and Cersei, but that their relationship will ultimately be broken by something else. Euron's emergence has already annoyed Jaime, but something in the finale will be the straw that breaks the camel's back imo.
 
This whole driving the wedge between Jamie and Cersei:

Why would Jamie just not kill Euron once him and Cersei are married. Cersei will get his army and his ships anyway. So why will he keep Euron alive and kill his sister/lover Cersei?
 
Poor episode.

The last scene was farcical. Horrid directing and acting to match. Not sure how they decide that scene was good enough for the show.
 
RDCR07 said:
This whole driving the wedge between Jamie and Cersei:

Why would Jamie just not kill Euron once him and Cersei are married. Cersei will get his army and his ships anyway. So why will he keep Euron alive and kill his sister/lover Cersei?
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The Iron Islanders being an odd bunch, not sure Cersei could count on keeping Euron's forces should he die. It would just lead to another big to do over who gets to replace him with the whole thing splintering into groups with differing loyalties. A bit like the problems Little Finger would face maintaining control of the Vale without Robin as a front or having any hope of controlling the North without somehow getting Sansa in his pocket.
 
RDCR07 said:
This whole driving the wedge between Jamie and Cersei:

Why would Jamie just not kill Euron once him and Cersei are married. Cersei will get his army and his ships anyway. So why will he keep Euron alive and kill his sister/lover Cersei?
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The Iron Islanders are aligned with Euron since he's one of their own. They'd have no reason to continue backing Cersei.
 
Cheesy said:
Considering he pretty much engineers the war at the start of the series, you'd have thought that was the general direction they'd head in but ever since pawning off Sansa I think the writers have found themselves written into a corner because as a result she inherently won't trust him now which makes any future power plays he can make fairly restricted.
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Not exactly.

While Jon is away, and therefore unable to defend himself, Baelish can get to work. My prediction is that he'll now set about convincing Sansa that she's a better fit to rule the North, that Jon is reckless and too willing to take unnecessary risks, like parleying with Daenerys and Tyrion. He'll tell her what she wants to hear until she's willing to hear him out (I imagine this will feature the lines of dialogue he has in the trailer, the "Fight every battle, always, in your mind" speech). But this won't last long - maybe four episodes maximum - once Arya and Bran are around. They'll help Sansa figure things out, that Baelish betrayed Ned in s1 and that he knowingly sold her into an abusive marriage. Sansa will have a moment to herself where she'll recite her father's words like she does in the trailer, realise her Stark heritage is more important than keeping Baelish around at arm's length, and she'll have him murdered. The only thing that makes me think Sansa won't have Baelish killed is that, as she's said already, they need him around so the Knights of the Vale don't bugger off home. Hopefully the show remembers that Yohn Royce being at Winterfell means they have to stay around regardless of whether Baelish is alive or dead.
 
JustAFan said:
The Iron Islanders being an odd bunch, not sure Cersei could count on keeping Euron's forces should he die. It would just lead to another big to do over who gets to replace him with the whole thing splintering into groups with differing loyalties. A bit like the problems Little Finger would face maintaining control of the Vale without Robin as a front or having any hope of controlling the North without somehow getting Sansa in his pocket.
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Cheesy said:
The Iron Islanders are aligned with Euron since he's one of their own. They'd have no reason to continue backing Cersei.
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But whats the point of killing Cersei and keeping Euron alive? If he kills Cersei, then Euron will kill him since its his wife. Either kill both of them or neither.
 
Shane88 said:
I'll be the judge of that. Link?
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RDCR07 said:
But whats the point of killing Cersei and keeping Euron alive? If he kills Cersei, then Euron will kill him since its his wife. Either kill both of them or neither.
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It may not end up being either or. Lots of characters will die by the end of the show, not all at once either and with varying effects on what happens after they die.

Who knows maybe they all end up living a Poly lifestyle. Euron, Cersei and Jamie ruling the Seven Kingdoms, fecking on the skulls of dragons, Jamie getting all sorts of interesting attachments for his stump.
 
JustAFan said:
It may not end up being either or. Lots of characters will die by the end of the show, not all at once either and with varying effects on what happens after they die.
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Oh I know a hell of a lot of people are going to die but I was just trying to understand your thinking behind why jamie would kill Cersei and not Euron or along the lines of that.
 
Also who is defending Casterly Rock right now for Cersei? Like who are the unsullied going to fight against there?
 
RDCR07 said:
Also who is defending Casterly Rock right now for Cersei? Like who are the unsullied going to fight against there?
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I've read a few rumours about the Casterly Rock plans. All I'll say is the show doesn't ignore this.
 
RDCR07 said:
Oh I know a hell of a lot of people are going to die but I was just trying to understand your thinking behind why jamie would kill Cersei and not Euron or along the lines of that.
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Don't think I said that is the way it would happen. It certainly is one of many possibilities, and many characters could end up killing Euron or Cersei or Jamie for that matter.

Jamie kills Cersei because she's crazy or he is jealous or both. Euron gets killed by Reek or Dragons or Jon Snow or Frankenmountain. Frankenmountain kills Cersei just because it would be fun to watch. Jamie gets killed by Arya or Ghost or Cersei or kills himself or Tyrion or Jon Snow or Frankenmountain. Oleana ends up marrying Littlefinger, making him go down on her every single fecking night.
 
JustAFan said:
Don't think I said that is the way it would happen. It certainly is one of many possibilities, and many characters could end up killing Euron or Cersei or Jamie for that matter.

Jamie kills Cersei because she's crazy or he is jealous or both. Euron gets killed by Reek or Dragons or Jon Snow or Frankenmountain. Frankenmountain kills Cersei just because it would be fun to watch. Jamie gets killed by Arya or Ghost or Cersei or kills himself or Tyrion or Jon Snow or Frankenmountain. Oleana ends up marrying Littlefinger, making him go down on her every single fecking night.
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:lol: Some of your thinking is hilarious!
 
Redlambs said:
She's terrible. Kit seems okay to me, but Sophie and Emelia are just terrible actors.

Though in Sophie's case, she was young.
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Sophie was hilariously rubbish in Xmen Apocalypse.
 
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