Oh god, please no
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@Raees Agree with your comments in general as I believe writing is everything and it's clear there is a departure from the books now
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Did the White Walkers remember they left a light on, and go back to turn it off?
AKA The White Dawdlers.
AKA The White Dawdlers.
Theon's dive...
... I think there is more to his dive than merely him being a scaredycat.
I like to believe the new Theon is different than Reek and the brat Theon.
He did actually in past two seasons, made many "heroic" actions and uncommon but "right" decisions.
^ That would be good story writing.
I like to believe the new Theon is different than Reek and the brat Theon.
He did actually in past two seasons, made many "heroic" actions and uncommon but "right" decisions.
- Help Sansa escaped safely, even willing to sacrifice himself as bait and killing.
- Crown Yara as the Salt Throne Ruler, and gained some new supporters for her.
- Persuaded Daenerys convincingly to accept Yara and him instead of their uncle.
- Bravely fighting/defending against Euron's invasion.
- The Dive/escape...?
^ That would be good story writing.
Ok.
Well, to start with, the first thing we must know about the clusterfeck that is season 5 Dorne is that it was not meant to be included.
By their own admission in the DVD commentary, D&D said that season 5 was already overstuffed to begin with, since they fitted 2 books into one. Dorne is a vanity project that they tried to fit in because 'that's our favourite place in Westeros, we imagine it to be Brazil, where people are consummate pleasure seekers' (hence the god awful 'bad kitten' line.
The second thing is the lead of the Dorne storyline, Indira Varma.
They have given interviews about casting her. They were huge fans of her work in HBO's Rome, and the moment they got her they retroactively rewritten the character to give her more screen time. Casting call for Ellaria Sands were for a minor part that weren't meant to extend beyond season 4, and since they changed the actual story to fit in their favourite actress, that gives rise to another problem, that of Alexander Siddig. He was a fan favourite for the role of Doran Martell and gave an interview hinting as much about following the character's arc in the book - that of a Targaryen loyalist. However, due to the change of Varma's character, she was given the bulk of screentime and his arc was changed. He later said in an interview that he was originally contracted for 4 episodes in season 6, but they killed him off because they wanted to wrap up Dorne's storyline ASAP. So, from both a writing and production point of view, the whole venture was whimsical and ill-thought out.
Now, about the fight sequence.
All the scenes in Dorne were filmed in the Real Alcazar in Sevilla, an UNESCO heritage site. That means the filming could only take place for 7 days and under strict restrictions, like day-only filmings (hence the laughable 'daylight infiltration' of Bronn and Jaime - originally in the script it's at night). You also cant make any modification to the location as you would another regular one, no knocking down wall to fit in a camera etc... So the whole sequence was film in the garden with long, widely panning shots exclusively. Usually, you don't want to film hand-to hand combat in a wide space because you cant do close up or speed up the weapon through the editing process with downward/upward angled cameras. It's also much much harder to edit out the background actors/actresses under those conditions, as we can see with Tyene just swinging harmlessly from a distance - the wide shots do not favour that. Analysis of the actors in the scene reveals that it was mediocre at worst and the editing/filming was the biggest problem.
So there you have it.
As a bonus, there are further proofs of the two idiots putting their directors under ridiculous working condition. Miguel Sapochnik (Hardhome & Battle of Bastards) gave a scathing interview about the filming of the later. They insisted on 70 live horse being used for the cavalry charge, and placed him under a 10-12 days estimate to film the episode. Problem is by modern filming standard (PETA and all that), that is literally impossible. That ended in the episode not being filmed to script, and the famous 'mud wrestling' scene was actually a filler/pick-up shot Sapochnik did the last day when they gave up on filming with the horses but still had time on location.
She's absolutely feckin' rubbish in this show too.
Anyway, interesting write-up.
Damn, that's Trumpian levels of stupid. And I thought they only were shit at writing.
I reckon Theon jumped off the ship because he saw what was happening to his fellow soldiers. Euron and his men were cutting out their tongues, and Euron apparently has a reputation for cutting out the tongues of his captives and even his crew members (I remember Balon Greyjoy saying something about this when he encounters Euron on a rope bridge). Theon probably was tired of losing body parts and he thought it'd be wise to live now and fight another day.
Interesting, cheers! Do you have a link to said interview regarding the battle of bastards?
Caftards on Season 5 and 6 - "Fecking hell this show moves at a snails pace, nothing happens"
Caftards on Season 7 - "this is shit, everything moves so stupidly fast, there's no character development at all anymore"
Caftards on Season 7 - "this is shit, everything moves so stupidly fast, there's no character development at all anymore"
Dany could have done that with Dragons. But the reason she has been taking time is because her reasons changed. She wants to be accepted and rule people (and do stuff like freeing slaves). Euron just wants to take over (not to mention he was already in Westeros and had an army). Whilst Dany had to build one, wait for her dragons to grow, etc.
Yes she could have taken over KL when she got unsullied. Hell she could have taken over last episode if she wanted, but it was explained why thats not happening.
At the same time, s1-4 was more about plotting, scheming and being subtle. Now not so much, its about being forward and to the point. Being subtle is not needed when youre about to go into two different wars (strangle hold of KL as well as the war beyond the wall)
Dont get me wrong, the dialogue was defo better in earlier seasons, but its not all been bad. I really enjoyed the stuff between Dany and Varys as well as Cersei pleading to the bannermen.
But it makes sense given whats happened in the last season or two.
Tyrion is now Hand of the Queen and is by her side but came up with the plan (as well as trying to broker peace between Dany and Varys)
LF is being LF. Hes standing in plain sight being the cause of chaos, planting seeds here and there.
Jamie just last episode was used to try and bring over the Tyrells bannerman.
I want to see what big affect Bran and possibly Arya have. But moreso the former as he would be the one that truly wields the power and causes a problem with LF plan.
Also very interesting stuff @InfiniteBoredom - thanks for that post
Is it true that Connor McGregor will be in an episode or am I thinking of Vikings?
That last episode was really fun. Can't blame Theon. He did the right thing.
Foreign invasion
Got to see some tasty boobies also
That last episode was really fun. Can't blame Theon. He did the right thing.
Foreign invasion
Got to see some tasty boobies also
Glad to see I'm not going crazy.
Me and the girlfriend love the show but the current feeling 'meh' at best. I mean it's possibly too much hype at fault but I really don't see the quality anymore (at least thus far).
The only characters I've took interest in (from episode 1 really) are Jamie and the Hound/BWB. The rest is boring me badly at times.
I'm probably alone but Jon Snow and Dany have to be two of the most boring characters in the story.
You don't think so? If not why?
Looking at how the series is viewed with reviews, ratings and awards it clearly is. Not just because it's popular I mean the Transformer movies make billions of dollars doesn't make them good.
Amen on the Sand Snakes.
As for Jon, i believe he has to go even though it is a risk. He needs dragon glass and a much bigger army desperately, (fire breathing dragons would be a huge bonus). The only mistake i think he has made is leaving Littlefinger at Winterfell - should have taken him with him (keep your freinds close etc).
Why doesn't she just fly up to see him on one of her dragons? Surely that would be much quicker?
Also she gets to show off. And maybe burn some white walkers (wherever they are). Win, win.
I should be writing this show.
Also she gets to show off. And maybe burn some white walkers (wherever they are). Win, win.
I should be writing this show.
Eh? What an odd post.
The valeryian neutral prophecy is a big deal, straight from the books.
Davos' home was fleabottom. Nobody knowns dragonstone was build on a mountain of dragonglass anyway. Dragonstone was only occupied by Stannis for a short period because Robert set him there to get rid of him. Robert sold it as a reward, but it was certainly not.
Euron's name is "the storm". He covers his fleet in fog and mist to stop being detected.
Yeah, but know who speaks High Valyrian since childhood? Yep, dragonmum. Having Missandei translatorsplain that ambiguity was the stupid thing here.
Actually she learned the common tongue first (Illyrio (sp?) taught it to her to help her fit in to his circle, and valyrian was taught later on.
The prophecy of the prince who was promised was in high valyrian, of which she wasn't fluent in (if my memory of book info is correct!)
The prophecy of the prince who was promised was in high valyrian, of which she wasn't fluent in (if my memory of book info is correct!)
Did some quick googling on that, and it seems it's never explained how Daenerys acquired her knowledge of Valyrian.
But what we know is that she's reasonably fluid with it, so she most probably would know about the gender or lack thereof of that particular word.
So alright, Missandei could have still explained the word, being the language expert, but she shouldn't have directed her explanation at Dany.
Yeah but isnt this consistent with an earlier season where she was corrected by Missandei before? This isnt the first time its happened so its not like its something just thrown in out of the blue.
I've spoken English since I was born and I still pronounce words incorrectly.
You do realise that these are probably two entirely separate groups of people, right?
English is a bad example when it comes to gendered nouns.
exactly, what was expected anyway when they said they were going to reduce the number of episodes ? People have some expectations tbh.Caftards on Lukaku - "He's shit"
Caftards on Lukaku - "He's great"
OMG stop being so bipolar caf, it's like you're made up of more than 10,000 people with their own minds and thoughts!!
they're not.
the two groups of people are
- those who don't moan
- those who moan
the latter are simply finding new reasons to do so.
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So people aren't allowed an opinion now?
This isn't social media like twitter or facebook where everyone gangs up on those they deem against their opinion, this is a discussion board where people are allowed to discuss things in depth. If you don't like that, you can just ignore the posts you disagree with. Ironically, I find the people moaning about the people moaning to be the worst of the lot in any thread. I mean, it really is stupid on a whole new level to me.
Just leave them to it, it surely doesn't affect your level of entertainment does it?
My point is, and I raised this point just a couple of pages ago, that people aren't allowing Game of Thrones to wash over them anymore.
I can't sit here and deny it: there are things wrong with the show now where there never used to be problems, and I've discussed this at length in this thread. But it's been used an excuse by some fans of the show (who just can't warm to how it's changed in the last three seasons) to scrutinise minute aspects of the story that are barely worth complaining about. As I said a couple of pages ago, if fans of the show had spent this long nitpicking about the logic of the early seasons, or the speed of the early seasons, or whether a certain character was clumsy with their gendered nouns, Game of Thrones never would have gone from having 2m viewers a week to 10m. It is where it is now, a worldwide phenomenon, because people suspended their disbelief long enough to appreciate that it's just top-tier entertainment.
I appreciate that we live in an era of obsession with regards to continuity, trivia and goofs in films and TV shows, but the levels people go to so they can put the latter seasons down is getting a bit silly. In the early seasons there are so many moments of needless bombast, cheesy deus ex machina, bad "logic" and pure ridiculousness, but that's what the show has always, always been about. Suddenly complaining about it now just reeks (no pun intended) of being unable to adjust to how the show has changed since they ran out of source material. No, the show isn't as good as it was between seasons 1-4 (or s5, depending on how much of a purist you are) and the fact they're no longer able to use GRRM's books is the main cause of that. But if we're going to sit here and complain this much about a single line of dialogue - which introduces a book theory into the show, by the way - then we might as well call the whole thing off.
of course they are, my original post was a joke for feck sake.
Really?
People do this in every thread, they moan about the moaners and that's just stupid to me.
stop moaning.
Never!!!!!
TBF, his post was an opinion (albeit a joke from the initial point). I dont think he was saying 'please dont complain or else' (although that would have made for a funny post)
Youre going to have people who complain vs people who complain about those complaining (but here I prefer the ones who try to point things out rather than just saying dont watch the show)
Yeah I missed that joke. Must have been funny. Spanner is a poster I like though, so I'll let it slide this time.
But then again, I also dislike the "don't watch it then" crew, because that view is stupid too.
Thanks for that, I knew the Dorne storyline was a late inclusion, although I thought it was due to keeping NCW under contract has they had nothing for his character in season five.
Also, I'd hardly call that a scathing account from Sapochik, more like a grueling retelling of the hardships that would obviously come with directing the most expensive battle scene in TV history. It's one thing writing and story boarding it, and then facing what I'd assume is a logistical nightmare come filming, for everyone involved. Of course compromises are going to be needed.
I mean, the director is on record as saying how desperate he is to come back for season eight.