They ate them probably. Maybe Bran too.
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Whether that's true or not though...if you're in charge of such a show it's still your job to ensure the show's well-plotted and doesn't have gaping holes. Plenty of other major shows with big casts haven't had books to follow at all and haven't managed it.
And if the showrunners really did foresee the size of the cast becoming such a problem, they should've taken precautions early on by making more/different cuts etc.
Well, first of all, if she tells her that she resurrected him, doesn't it make him eligible for the prophesy? And, like, a strong favorite? Which won't play well with Dany.
Exactly. Good episode but ending was meh at best.
The scab picking was pretty good to be fair. The end battle was abit meh, i mean for something that's meant to be so epic (judging by the level of CGI and the choreographed fight scenes) it was a shame it felt rushed and shortened.
This euron guy or whatever, I just dont like him as an actor at all. In the books he's probably better but he's come to the show too late on giving the billy big bollocks, my favourite characters are already decided. Theres no way on earth he's going to be a better villian than Ramsey, and the writers (to me) seem to be rushing his character too fast, though i guess they have little choice.
But the big (or not so big) question for me is, does grey worm have a penis? I rushed the first 4 seasons to catch up but im sure they were all castrated? For a show that showed as much schlong as possible in the first season or two i was expecting them to reveal a mangled stump or something. Abit disappointed i must say.
This euron guy or whatever, I just dont like him as an actor at all. In the books he's probably better but he's come to the show too late on giving the billy big bollocks, my favourite characters are already decided. Theres no way on earth he's going to be a better villian than Ramsey, and the writers (to me) seem to be rushing his character too fast, though i guess they have little choice.
But the big (or not so big) question for me is, does grey worm have a penis? I rushed the first 4 seasons to catch up but im sure they were all castrated? For a show that showed as much schlong as possible in the first season or two i was expecting them to reveal a mangled stump or something. Abit disappointed i must say.
Fairly certain the were going to Dorne to pick up the Martell army.
The problem is that early on the had no idea if it would appeal to the masses and thus had to ensure they appealed first and foremost to book readers, by staying true to them.
Honestly I still think it's a great show, not as good as the first few seasons but I feel that was inevitable, and when a show becomes as globally popular as GoT, people will always pick holes.
The resurrection isn't part of the prophecy. And since she specifically mentions there might be two people to that prophecy, it would, if at all, make it more convincing he's the other part.
Which Euron destroyed. Could be there is some of it left of course but still, a spanner in the works for Dany.
Totally agree.
Yeah that's what I thought
Saying "we have it on Dragonstone" doesn't necessarily mean "i know about the huge underground supply of Dragonglass that nobody's gone near in thousands of years because they don't believe in White Walkers".
Could be just little deposits of it scattered about the place.
And those of you complaining that greyscale wouldn't hurt, none of you are Maesters, Archmaesters or Grand Maesters, so stfu. It looked fecking sore to me!
It is. She mentioned it to Stannis (he was allegorically "reborn" in the new religion, didn't work for him, eh?) and, I assume, everyone involved knows the full version; she also told smth like that to Jon? - as the hero/prince/princess/whatever is reborn. Here she just quotes a part of it, leaving the possibility for Dany to be one.
Okay, makes sense.
That was one of the worst directed episodes I have ever seen on Game of Thrones.
Pacing was shite, and the acting was dire. First segment with Danaerys was hammy as feck, it didn't flow well and there was a moment where Tyrion's voice went all super deep - it was bizarre and just lacked the polish you associate with Game of Thrones.
I liked the scenes with Jon, Sam .. but little finger is being utilised very poorly at the moment. If he has nothing to contribute, keep him out the show and make him elusive. At the moment he is coming across like a comic book villain.
As for Euron, his character has been a shambles from day one and the battle scene was awful. Fast paced like some charlie chaplin silent film, it lacked gravitas and there was no sense of connection for the viewer. I just felt cold during the entire scene.
So far this season has been really poor in terms of quality. Hoping once it gets midway and the stories are in place, things settle down and the quality shines through. At the moment the decision to make it jam packed 7 episodes does not seem to have been a smart one as it doesn't feel like I am watching game of thrones at the moment.
Pacing was shite, and the acting was dire. First segment with Danaerys was hammy as feck, it didn't flow well and there was a moment where Tyrion's voice went all super deep - it was bizarre and just lacked the polish you associate with Game of Thrones.
I liked the scenes with Jon, Sam .. but little finger is being utilised very poorly at the moment. If he has nothing to contribute, keep him out the show and make him elusive. At the moment he is coming across like a comic book villain.
As for Euron, his character has been a shambles from day one and the battle scene was awful. Fast paced like some charlie chaplin silent film, it lacked gravitas and there was no sense of connection for the viewer. I just felt cold during the entire scene.
So far this season has been really poor in terms of quality. Hoping once it gets midway and the stories are in place, things settle down and the quality shines through. At the moment the decision to make it jam packed 7 episodes does not seem to have been a smart one as it doesn't feel like I am watching game of thrones at the moment.
Can only second that. Very disappointed so far, could not get myself connected with any of the scenes apart from opening one in the first episode.
I thought it was a good episode...mainly confused as to how Euron knew where the ship were going to be considering he seemed to know in the previous episode which was before ANYONE knew where the ships were going to be? Seeing as Dragon queen and co didn't deem it necessary to even look at the map until they got to Dragonstone. Unless he knew he had an insider who would tell him I guess?
I'm holding out hope that it'll all tie in together in some way...but even in the earlier series when they were following the books, that wasn't always the case. I think in that respect we've begun to over analyze where as in the past they'd just enjoy the show for what it was.
Characters in this show are also just extraordinarily determined to embark on these two people quests all the bloody time...I mean, why not take three people, or you know, ten, fifty? "Me and Davos will go to meet the Dragon queen"...take more people you idiot. You're the king.
The show is missing a Geoffrey/Ramsey type character though. Euron definitely isn't it. He's not interesting enough to do anything other than help the main plot shift along. The Knight King is doomed to spend the entire of GOT just wandering about menacingly in the snow every 5 episodes or so. Something significant needs to happen to shift the main story/point of attention on to something. People are distracted from picking holes in all the silly scenes of people sitting in rooms talking if there's something more interesting going on as a backdrop...at the moment there isn't
I'm holding out hope that it'll all tie in together in some way...but even in the earlier series when they were following the books, that wasn't always the case. I think in that respect we've begun to over analyze where as in the past they'd just enjoy the show for what it was.
Characters in this show are also just extraordinarily determined to embark on these two people quests all the bloody time...I mean, why not take three people, or you know, ten, fifty? "Me and Davos will go to meet the Dragon queen"...take more people you idiot. You're the king.
The show is missing a Geoffrey/Ramsey type character though. Euron definitely isn't it. He's not interesting enough to do anything other than help the main plot shift along. The Knight King is doomed to spend the entire of GOT just wandering about menacingly in the snow every 5 episodes or so. Something significant needs to happen to shift the main story/point of attention on to something. People are distracted from picking holes in all the silly scenes of people sitting in rooms talking if there's something more interesting going on as a backdrop...at the moment there isn't
Can't believe the number of people who think that was a good episode. Feck knows what they are drinking. I know GOT is one of the greatest shows of all time, but call a spade a spade.. that was really bad TV.
The underlying storylines, are still decent but the execution thus far in season 7 has been abysmal.. which is disappointing as season 6 was a great return to form.
I could've watched an hour of that, found the whole thing so satisfying to watch.
This is exactly how I felt about the Nazis in Breaking Bad.
They were the replacement villains to Gus Fring/Ramsey Bolton and you know they're never going to be as good.
When a show self-identifies and revels in its cleverness, of course it can expect criticism when there's blatant laziness in the writing and/or ridiculous plot holes.
Oh-so-defensive 'superfans' of shows are just as annoying as detractors of the said shows, for me.
Echoes my sentiments perfectly (although I do like Euron's reintroduction). S07 is bang average thus far.
Other than your points about Euron (a character that I've enjoyed these first few episodes), you're on the money. Something has just felt off so far this season, and you articulated my thoughts exactly.
I've been rewatching S1 to S5 over the last few weeks, and the start of S7 only makes it much more apparent how the pacing of the show has changed things for the worse. The characters used to be witty, calculated, subtle, somewhat reasonable -- and there were way fewer moments where you questioned creative decisions by going "where the feck did THAT come from?". And they've absolutely neutered Tyrion. He's unrecognisable from earlier seasons at this point. Something's definitely off with S7 so far, but hopefully it'll turn around at some point.
I don't know if they had much choice though; the budget for these last 13 episodes must be off the fecking charts. Makes sense to shorten the seasons from a financial point of view. They're a long way from the end still, and only have a limited time to tell the story all the way through. That lack of time and money will probably show from time to time, and I'm not so sure that this is how D&D wanted to end the show.
Genuinely intrigued by the story and characters still, and I can't wait to see how the story pans out.
I'm by no means a superfan and the show also gets a lot of criticism that is deserved, but there are certain posters who seem to delight in posing exclusively negative comments about very pernickity points. It all rather begs the question why they rush to watch a show they hate.
I think they said that the ships were going to pick up the Tyrell/Dorne armies and come back to seige Kings Landing.
Rewatched again as watching it this morning made some scenes nigh on impossible to see due to the brightness in my room + darkness on screen, and I've got one "nitpick".
When Theon jumps overboard, he's literally right there, like, he's looking at Euron sailing off, surely if the latter wanted him dead they coulda just scooped him out, or threw a few spears at him.
*Nitpick(s) over*
As for how Euron and his fleet ambushed Yara's? Well for one, it's foggy, two, Euron's ships are in complete darkness, no lanterns etc, whereas Yara's ships are lit up. I imagine it's easy to spot an armada of hundreds of ships, lit up, sailing together.
The opening scene was brilliant, Conleth Hill killed it as Varys.
Dany: "Proven himself loyal? Quiet the opposite, if he dislikes one monarch he conspires to crown the next one, what kind of servant is that."
Varys: "The kind the realm needs. Incompetence should not be rewarded with blind loyalty. As long as I have my eyes, I'll use them. I wasn't born into a great house, I came from nothing, I was sold as a slave, and carved up as an offering. When I was a child I lived alleys, gutters, abandoned houses .. you wish to know where my true loyalties lie!? Not with any King or Queen, but with the people, the people who suffer under despots and prosper under just rule, the people who's hearts you aim to win! If you demand blind allegiance, I respect your wishes, Greyworm can behead me, or dragons can devour me, but if you let me live I will serve you well, I will dedicate myself to seeing you on the Iron Throne because I choose you, because I know the people have no better chance than you.
That little speech gave me goosebumps. Such a fantastic bit of dialogue.
Oh, and Dany's becoming a bit of a cnut. Always scowling, biting at people. I'm honestly expecting a full on Mad Queen heel turn.
When Theon jumps overboard, he's literally right there, like, he's looking at Euron sailing off, surely if the latter wanted him dead they coulda just scooped him out, or threw a few spears at him.
*Nitpick(s) over*
As for how Euron and his fleet ambushed Yara's? Well for one, it's foggy, two, Euron's ships are in complete darkness, no lanterns etc, whereas Yara's ships are lit up. I imagine it's easy to spot an armada of hundreds of ships, lit up, sailing together.
The opening scene was brilliant, Conleth Hill killed it as Varys.
Dany: "Proven himself loyal? Quiet the opposite, if he dislikes one monarch he conspires to crown the next one, what kind of servant is that."
Varys: "The kind the realm needs. Incompetence should not be rewarded with blind loyalty. As long as I have my eyes, I'll use them. I wasn't born into a great house, I came from nothing, I was sold as a slave, and carved up as an offering. When I was a child I lived alleys, gutters, abandoned houses .. you wish to know where my true loyalties lie!? Not with any King or Queen, but with the people, the people who suffer under despots and prosper under just rule, the people who's hearts you aim to win! If you demand blind allegiance, I respect your wishes, Greyworm can behead me, or dragons can devour me, but if you let me live I will serve you well, I will dedicate myself to seeing you on the Iron Throne because I choose you, because I know the people have no better chance than you.
That little speech gave me goosebumps. Such a fantastic bit of dialogue.
Oh, and Dany's becoming a bit of a cnut. Always scowling, biting at people. I'm honestly expecting a full on Mad Queen heel turn.
I cannot stand Danaerys' character. I don't give two hoots about what happens to her, and haven't since very early on in this show, if truth be told.
Skylar White-levels of annoyance.
Skylar White-levels of annoyance.
Agree with a lot of this. I think the reason Euron isn't coming across as a menacing character is because it's only about the 4th episode in the whole series that we even see him and all "bad guy" dialogue and brutal killings only go so far in establishing a character. For now, nobody really cares about him.
I feel they're underutilizing Littlefinger. He could've become the villain the show needs.
I think people are jumping to conclusions too early. Seems pretty clear that Littlefinger is going to have a fairly major role to play at some point. Even with the show dumbing down a bit, they wouldn't have him in scenes with Jon Snow and Sansa in the way thhey have for no reason...he's going to do something that's going to have a fairly major effect on things.
LF is already grating on me because I know he's up to something. He'll be the main antagonist eventually no doubt
Agree in general about the season so far, been a bit of a letdown.
With regards to the latest episode:
- Euron has turned into a bit of a pantomime villain. Agree he's shit.
- Sam just happening to come across the cure for stone AIDS, and then having the bollocks to try it on Jorah is completely out of character.
- The perfect synchronisation of Sam's and Dany's ravens and the way everyone put up a small commotion but ultimately let him go without much of a fight.
- When Jon puts Sansa in charge of the north and showing Littlefinger smirking, you might as well have put a great big sign on top of his head saying "FORESHADOWING ALERT! WATCH THIS GUY!"
- The Arya-Pie "friends don't have to pay" lad/ Nymeria scene was also cringey as feck. Really beginning to dislike her. She adds nothing to the show at the moment. Might as well leave her out altogether until she needs to do something of significance, like with Bran.
Overall, since the show surpassed the books it's declining in quality as expected. The quality of the previous seasons is a hard act to follow.
PS. Has Yara been killed?
With regards to the latest episode:
- Euron has turned into a bit of a pantomime villain. Agree he's shit.
- Sam just happening to come across the cure for stone AIDS, and then having the bollocks to try it on Jorah is completely out of character.
- The perfect synchronisation of Sam's and Dany's ravens and the way everyone put up a small commotion but ultimately let him go without much of a fight.
- When Jon puts Sansa in charge of the north and showing Littlefinger smirking, you might as well have put a great big sign on top of his head saying "FORESHADOWING ALERT! WATCH THIS GUY!"
- The Arya-Pie "friends don't have to pay" lad/ Nymeria scene was also cringey as feck. Really beginning to dislike her. She adds nothing to the show at the moment. Might as well leave her out altogether until she needs to do something of significance, like with Bran.
Overall, since the show surpassed the books it's declining in quality as expected. The quality of the previous seasons is a hard act to follow.
PS. Has Yara been killed?
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Don't think so. I presume Euron will take her as a hostage since she'll be useful to question on Dany's tactics etc. Ellaria and the other Sand Snake are his prize for Cersei.
Makes sense. Thanks.
I thought that woman hanging from the ship at the end was Yara.
I was unsure myself at first...makes sense for it to be the two Sand Snakes he killed but I was kind of wondering if it might be Ellaria and the Sand Snake who's still alive (for now).
Tyrion doing the voiceover for the bot in Destiny totally ruined his character for me. He's also lost his edge and wit.
Also, M.Mylod directed this episode. He also apparently directed some of the worst received episodes in the entire series.
Having just watched s2 and s3 recently, Ramsay was more of a cartoon character early on compared to Euron right now.
Ramsay was basically just torturing Theon and playing with him for a long time. If Euron was introduced like that and did it, Im almost certain people would be saying "WTF? Youre just doing this to make him a villain, theres no character to him" or something.
I dont get / agree with these two points.
Sam is a guy that basically brought Gilly to Castleblack (and ran off her initially). IMO it makes sense he would do this once he found out who Jorah was.
And Arya just killed the whole of the Freys and just found out she has family alive so went from mission Kill Cersei to mission get back to her family (until she saw Nymeria, who could be a reminder to herself that things arent the same).
Also a few people keep mentioning plot holes but arent stating which plot holes they are talking about (or the ones from the previous pages seem to have been mainly addressed covered). Obviously not everything and I understand some of the questions / criticisms (it defo is not as subtle as earlier seasons and the dialogue defo isnt as good, but thats to be expected at this stage now). But yet I dont get some of the criticisms.
The ones hanging were defo the sandsnakes, with their weapons on them. (I initially did rewind yesterday to make sure after it ended cos it was dark).
Ramsay was basically just torturing Theon and playing with him for a long time. If Euron was introduced like that and did it, Im almost certain people would be saying "WTF? Youre just doing this to make him a villain, theres no character to him" or something.
I dont get / agree with these two points.
Sam is a guy that basically brought Gilly to Castleblack (and ran off her initially). IMO it makes sense he would do this once he found out who Jorah was.
And Arya just killed the whole of the Freys and just found out she has family alive so went from mission Kill Cersei to mission get back to her family (until she saw Nymeria, who could be a reminder to herself that things arent the same).
Also a few people keep mentioning plot holes but arent stating which plot holes they are talking about (or the ones from the previous pages seem to have been mainly addressed covered). Obviously not everything and I understand some of the questions / criticisms (it defo is not as subtle as earlier seasons and the dialogue defo isnt as good, but thats to be expected at this stage now). But yet I dont get some of the criticisms.
The ones hanging were defo the sandsnakes, with their weapons on them. (I initially did rewind yesterday to make sure after it ended cos it was dark).
I thought they were using Yaras fleet for that? Didn't she have a lot of ships as well? Unsullied are better fighters than the shit Yara had on board. It couldn't have been Dany's ships or men.
It's definitely the two he killed. He hung them up in the same manner as how they died with their own weapons.
Natalie Emmanuel tho
Question: so are the writers/directors still going off the books? Or has GRRM not written these parts and the writers are making stuff up the rest of the way?
They're past the books now.