Not going to bang on if people are enjoying this but it seems inconceivable to have character relationship building like that between Ayra and the Hound over an entire series anymore. That's what the show could do at it's best and why I lament.
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So are they going off on what GRRM planned to do in the future books? Like is this the path he would taken? Surely he would have some say in it?
He gave them the general idea how the story would end but has next to none creative input in the show anymore. From his blogposts he's now involved in pilots for potential prequels/spin offs.
Because feck actually finishing the books.
My only gripe with Euron's character is they should have been introduced him in the early seasons but very little much similar to Jorah Mormont and his time in exile in Essos before we knew of his intentions to return to Westoros. He proclaimed himself the "greatest captain of the 14 seas" so we're lead to believe, but turned up unannounced on Iron Islands with nothing, his journey back could have been better explored. Another thing, going off the trailer for the next episode it looks like the Unsullied are battling at Casterly Rock? Who is even in charge at Casterly Rock? the remaining Lannister's are at Kings landing. Tywin's dead, and so is his brother Kevan and his sons.
Plus it used to feel earned when two major characters ran into each other and interacted after having never met before/being separated for a long time. With the cast trimmed so much now meetings between, say, Jorah and Sam, or Daenerys and Olenna, don't feel as intriguing as they otherwise would.
We have spent 60 episodes getting to this point so things were likely to come together. As they have.
And people have spent much of the last 6 series whinging about the slow plot development. You can't win with some people.
And people have spent much of the last 6 series whinging about the slow plot development. You can't win with some people.
People complaining seems to forget the crucial aspect of this show : time
Yes euron is a rushed villain, yes certain character lack development etc, but in the other hand we're getting one trade off : conclusion.
All good show comes to an end, and although abit rushed im glad they're not milking this and give us the ending in 7 season. Much prefer that rather than 20 season of game of thrones
Yes euron is a rushed villain, yes certain character lack development etc, but in the other hand we're getting one trade off : conclusion.
All good show comes to an end, and although abit rushed im glad they're not milking this and give us the ending in 7 season. Much prefer that rather than 20 season of game of thrones
That is there but you CAN see where people are coming from. They introduced Euron in one episode killing the King, the next one becoming king and the next laying siege and becoming THE main villain currently. It's just that people aren't used to it. Everything has a storyline and characters grow into their roles. Hell Dany took seven seasons to reach Westeroos, let alone start planning the actual war. If she wanted she could have taken over Kings Landing when they got the unsullied. But no everything and everyone has a time and a place in this show. That's why people are grieved about Euron.
My biggest gripe on the recent seasons is actually the loss in quality of writing. Yesterday was a good example. We had at least four good potential dialogue points yesterday (one with Varys and Dany, one with Dany and allies, one with Jon and allies, and one with Arya and the fat kid). None of them felt sharp or intense. They utterly lacked wit, guile or subtlety. I am not saying they were bad, but they simply don't match up to the standards set by Seasons 01 - 04. Perhaps the whole series has become more plot driven than character driven and characters were the best part of GoT for me.
What in the actual feck?!? 
Don't think anyone could have predicted all that happening in episode 2. 
Don't think anyone could have predicted all that happening in episode 2. Ffs, are people actually complaining about that episode? Even the sand snakes have markedly improved their fighting skills. And that slave translator got her fun bags out again! What's not to like?
Even the sand snakes have markedly improved their fighting skills. And that slave translator got her fun bags out again! What's not to like?I think that may have to do with the fact that they are no longer following the books. It's just writers coming up with stuff on their own. Also everything was getting setup in the first few seasons. Now it's pretty clear what is happening. This is what the whole series has been setting up so far. The battle for Westeros and it has finally started.
The fact the show has become more plot driven shouldn't be an excuse for the decline in quality. Nor was the decision to cut episodes down to 7 a valid one.
You're coming to the conclusion of the greatest show on earth, of one of the most complex fantasy sagas of all time where there is a whole host of characters who haven't met yet and a number of narratives which need to cross each other and come to a satisfying conclusion and you decide to make it harder for yourself by giving yourself less episodes to work with?
Also regardless if you need to focus less on characters, there is no excuse for the shit dialogue and the shit special effects and the poor filming of scenes. What makes GOT special is that hallmark of quality you associate with the best HBO dramas of which GOT stood out as the best - everything about it had gravitas.
Right now it's coming across as a shit episode of modern day Eastenders where stupid and illogical stuff happens, and the standard of acting has taken a massive nosedive.
The damage is not irreparable, as like I said season 6 was brilliant and we can forgive the show for one or two had episodes but they really need to up their game now. The trailers have more suspense than the show at the moment. I hope Jon meeting Danaerys feels significant.
Jon Snow, Sam, Sansa, Bran, white walkers, Cersei - scenes involving them are still of a high standard.
Jaime, Tyrion and Littlefinger are wasted at the moment and would be better off not getting any screen time whilst they have no purpose to serve plot wise. They're better in no doses if they are not doing anything significant as it doesn't suit their characters to be stood there on the sidelines all powerless.
Danaerys is just annoying me - Emilia Clarke is a poor actress, very hammy. And Euron, can't stand him. Should have introduced him in earlier seasons to slowly bring his character to a crescendo or get a more serious actor to play him. Something about his scenes is very off. Glad half of Dorne is dead, been an absolute disaster since the Mountain and the Viper episode.
Overall one gets a similar vibe from the last few episodes to the Hobbit trilogy in comparison to the Lord of Rings trilogy.
Rewatch the first season and its unforgivable to put out the standard of quality of episodes we just witnessed. Don't understand this rush to conclusion and the happiness to sacrifice the quality of production values - are we all really that dim witted we can't wait a few more episodes to see something done well instead of half baked.
You're coming to the conclusion of the greatest show on earth, of one of the most complex fantasy sagas of all time where there is a whole host of characters who haven't met yet and a number of narratives which need to cross each other and come to a satisfying conclusion and you decide to make it harder for yourself by giving yourself less episodes to work with?
Also regardless if you need to focus less on characters, there is no excuse for the shit dialogue and the shit special effects and the poor filming of scenes. What makes GOT special is that hallmark of quality you associate with the best HBO dramas of which GOT stood out as the best - everything about it had gravitas.
Right now it's coming across as a shit episode of modern day Eastenders where stupid and illogical stuff happens, and the standard of acting has taken a massive nosedive.
The damage is not irreparable, as like I said season 6 was brilliant and we can forgive the show for one or two had episodes but they really need to up their game now. The trailers have more suspense than the show at the moment. I hope Jon meeting Danaerys feels significant.
Jon Snow, Sam, Sansa, Bran, white walkers, Cersei - scenes involving them are still of a high standard.
Jaime, Tyrion and Littlefinger are wasted at the moment and would be better off not getting any screen time whilst they have no purpose to serve plot wise. They're better in no doses if they are not doing anything significant as it doesn't suit their characters to be stood there on the sidelines all powerless.
Danaerys is just annoying me - Emilia Clarke is a poor actress, very hammy. And Euron, can't stand him. Should have introduced him in earlier seasons to slowly bring his character to a crescendo or get a more serious actor to play him. Something about his scenes is very off. Glad half of Dorne is dead, been an absolute disaster since the Mountain and the Viper episode.
Overall one gets a similar vibe from the last few episodes to the Hobbit trilogy in comparison to the Lord of Rings trilogy.
Rewatch the first season and its unforgivable to put out the standard of quality of episodes we just witnessed. Don't understand this rush to conclusion and the happiness to sacrifice the quality of production values - are we all really that dim witted we can't wait a few more episodes to see something done well instead of half baked.
I don't like her hair-do. 2/10 wouldn't bangFfs, are people actually complaining about that episode?
C'mon really? Hard to take anything you say seriously if you believe that.
RacistIt is right now in terms of popular worldwide appeal. What comes close?
Ahh, gotcha. Thought you were referring to quality when using the term "greatest". Even a crappy show like Walking Dead would fit that description then in terms of mass appeal.
I enjoy Game of Thrones for what it is. Pure entertainment. For all those talking about how this isn't realistic or that not making sense, they do realize the show has dragons, giants and white walkers in it, right? And that's not even mentioning anything about bringing people back from the dead.
Season 5 was the only one that I thought kinda dragged and was disappointing in terms of entertainment factor.
Season 5 was the only one that I thought kinda dragged and was disappointing in terms of entertainment factor.
Samwell is the biggest surprise for me tbh. I used to dread his scenes (the less time with Gilly, the better) but now he's playing a key role in the whole thing. Character development have bored me a bit in previous seasons, the book are perfect for that. The change of pace is welcome for me, I personally didn't set some very high expectation but it was made official that the number of episodes were cut short. We cannot have it all.
A very interesting video on how the white walkers will get to the south, I personally didn't pay attention to that aspect. Apologies if already posted and discussed
One question, how did Jorah Mormant's dad join the Night's Watch? Thought they were supposed to take a vow of celibacy? Did he have Jorah before joining them then?
He join volunteer-ly like what Jon did.
(well, there are many theories as to the actual reason why, but doubt the show is interested in showing that).
Yes, when Jeor Mormont joined the Night's Watch, Jorah is already an adult.
Good riddance to the cheese snakes. Their idiotic one-liners won't be missed.
On the other hand, stupid things are happening again - Jon Snow just rushing down to Dragonstone? Because Tyrion, whom he had known years ago for a few weeks, and who, since then, was believed to have tried to murder his younger brother Bran, and now serves an exiled queen come to claim her throne is such a trustworthy guy?
-Not talking about the huge amount of time it would take to travel from Winterfell to Dragonstone, while the undead are presumably drawing ever closer, since I have learned here that in this series time exists only for nerds and there cannot be inconsistencies about non-existing stuff.-
Also, he'd have to travel through (or at least into) enemy territory to get there.
On the other hand, stupid things are happening again - Jon Snow just rushing down to Dragonstone? Because Tyrion, whom he had known years ago for a few weeks, and who, since then, was believed to have tried to murder his younger brother Bran, and now serves an exiled queen come to claim her throne is such a trustworthy guy?
-Not talking about the huge amount of time it would take to travel from Winterfell to Dragonstone, while the undead are presumably drawing ever closer, since I have learned here that in this series time exists only for nerds and there cannot be inconsistencies about non-existing stuff.-
Also, he'd have to travel through (or at least into) enemy territory to get there.
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Twice now you've said, you're going have start giving legitimate examples of bad dialogue as opposed to what you didn't like. Same goes for the direction in this episode, which from what I've seeing, has been praised by the majority considering it's the guy (Mark Mylod) that gave us this;
If GRRM would just hurry up with those damned.... well but I agree the show somehow is starting to feel a bit flat and the focus has shifted from the characters to the upcoming big battles it seems.
He joined the Night's Watch because Jorah fled Westeros' after been
I think the story is coming together quite well and the (old) characters are being pretty consistent. Danerys has always come across as a power hungry twat to me, so she's just continuing that theme. Sansa is behaving as her character growth would indicate, Jon is struggling with leading etc. etc. In fact the two most inconsistent bit of this episode was a) Samwell Tarley being in entertaining scenes and b) Red Priestess women not getting naked (I was half-expecting her to disrobe in front of Daenerys for shits and giggles).
Typing that out has made me think that the show is actually lacking a "good" and "nice" female character in the vain of Jon, Davros, Tyrion etc... all the main female characters at the moment have a whiff of bitchiness about them (bar Arya, but even she's developing it), so I don't think that's particularly great. You can have strong female characters without turning them all into extras from Mean Girls.
But yeah, every scene bar the end (which was fine plot wise for me, but was poor from a directing/production standpoint) was worthwhile and put some moving pieces in place.
Typing that out has made me think that the show is actually lacking a "good" and "nice" female character in the vain of Jon, Davros, Tyrion etc... all the main female characters at the moment have a whiff of bitchiness about them (bar Arya, but even she's developing it), so I don't think that's particularly great. You can have strong female characters without turning them all into extras from Mean Girls.
But yeah, every scene bar the end (which was fine plot wise for me, but was poor from a directing/production standpoint) was worthwhile and put some moving pieces in place.
Oh and where's Not Andy Carroll second sons (?) leader these days?
Did he? I'm not sure what kind of story the show writers are using, although that would be a satisfying reason, since GoT (the show) is ending.
Yea they were using Yaras ships and crew. I thought Danys fleet got set slight in Essos which is why they needed Yaras.
He got left at Meeren
Season 7 so far..
Episode 1: Dragonstone ~ Purple Feast, Dragonglass, Euron's proposal, Shit scenes,Ed Sheeran, Hound's gravedigging, and Shall we begin?
Episode 2: Stormborn ~ Daenerys's Council, Tolkien's Black Arrow,Missandei, Hot Pie, Nymeria, Foreign Invasion and Theon's Dive.
Episode 1: Dragonstone ~ Purple Feast, Dragonglass, Euron's proposal, Shit scenes,
Ed Sheeran, Hound's gravedigging, and Shall we begin?Episode 2: Stormborn ~ Daenerys's Council, Tolkien's Black Arrow,
Missandei, Hot Pie, Nymeria, Foreign Invasion and Theon's Dive.
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Where's Bronn these days? I wonder if he'll be about to rescue his bad pussy.
Aye. He'll be in Sansa's ear while he's gone. Telling her she's the true king/queen of the north by birthright, probably dropping the truth about his birth.
Sansa wants the power herself, you can see that, so I'm expecting her to maybe double cross Jon at some point. Hopefully only to change her mind before it's too late and Littlefinger dies instead.
Agree with those above about Arya, too. Another I have long lost a sense of feeling for. They overloaded her capabilities too, which, along with Danaerys, leaves the characters difficult to cheer for.
Twice now you've said, you're going have start giving legitimate examples of bad dialogue as opposed to what you didn't like. Same goes for the direction in this episode, which from what I've seeing, has been praised by the majority considering it's the guy (Mark Mylod) that gave us this;
There's a story behind that scene, and season 5 Dorne in general.
Doubt you'd be interested though.
Oh, at least we know the season is unlikely to get any worse then that "Foreign Invasion" line... so there is that.
Do tell.