I think he meant that the fleet is now gone. We don't know how large a part of the fleet it was, but still.
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He has the whole of the North at his disposal, I'm sure one of his vassals would be glad to provide a maester and some ravens.
It's fine and all if you enjoy the show, but the constant requirement of suspension of disbelief is grating more than a few people. Accept it as it is instead of inventing excuses for the showrunners. They don't think it through, that I can promise you. If you want, PM me and I'll give you interviews, DVD commentary, Q&A at fan events showing as much.
Since a lot of those guys are lesser sons and bastards of lords, which have gotten a certain degree of education, there surely is someone capable of handling those things. There are a lot of plotholes, this isn't one of them.
Edit: Edison Tollet, current Lord Commander, of House Tollet of the Vale, is one of them for example
The army is on the fleet. Aren't they going to Casterly Rock? There are only a handful of people on Dragonstone so maybe one ship will do for them. Dany just going to ride them dragons.
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That jorah and Sam scene was fecking disgusting. Hope we don't have to see him cutting off skin anymore.
No that was the fleet going to Kings landing. Or maybe Dorne to pick up their army.
The other lot are going to casterly rock
Can't be. Remember she is using Yara's, Dorne's and Martells armies. Her army is only going to casterly rock. The people who died in that battle were Yara's army.
Re the Sand snakes, wasn't oberyn (sp?) known as the Viper because the poison was his 'signature'? Not everyone from Dorne is know as a viper etc.
The sand snakes all seem to have their own weapons (the whip, throwing knives for the 2 who died during this episode), so maybe they have never used poison.
The sand snakes all seem to have their own weapons (the whip, throwing knives for the 2 who died during this episode), so maybe they have never used poison.
Also there were no lookouts on board Yara's ship to notice Euron coming? I mean even the Titanic had lookouts and you are on your way to war and you don't have someone manning the ship?
Ok, but youre posting on a forum complaining about it. You should surely expect people to give possible reasons to explain it away. Surely you need to accept that too?
Personally I dont care about other things or places etc. Im on this forum cos I like it and I like discussing things as such
Well the distinction is I'm not complaining about it, I'm complaining about the people complaining about people complaining about itOk, but youre posting on a forum complaining about it. You should surely expect people to give possible reasons to explain it away. Surely you need to accept that too?
Personally I dont care about other things or places etc. Im on this forum cos I like it and I like discussing things as such
(I do my complaining in the Book thread chiefly).Most of the 'reasons' provided seems to be either 'it's a show about dragons and magic' or 'if you don't like it don't watch' (which is something Benioff actually threw in the face of an interviewer) anyway. So round and round and round we go.
At least the next episode is gonna be interesting cause from the 3rd episode trailer we know for sure:
dany is meeting Jon.
Great episode but that whole Euron coming out of nowhere was a bit meh....Theons Reek persona returns...I do think he will finally get redemption someway somehow. One thing....it would seem everyone knows how much of a cnut Cersi is but she always seems to get help and out of pickles. Anyways...none of its going to matter if they all dont band together for the WW.
TBF, wasnt it hard to see the ships on board until they were pretty much right next to them? (eg that massive muthafugger of a boat wasnt seen by Yara / Theons POV until it was right next to them - they were only alerted cos of the explosion)
The one thing I dont understand is where were they? Were they just off dragonstone? If so, where the feck was Dany and her dragons to assist? Surely they would have heard that? If the fleet was somewhere else, strange given Yara was there at the council meeting with Dany and then just fecked off. Unless they were heading to position for Tyrions plan?
Well the distinction is I'm not complaining about it, I'm complaining about the people complaining about people complaining about it
Most of the 'reasons' provided seems to be either 'it's a show about dragons and magic' or 'if you don't like it don't watch' (which is something Benioff actually threw in the face of an interviewer) anyway. So round and round and round we go.
Yeah I dont like the dont like it dont watch it excuse. You can dislike something but still like the show. Or you can invest so much time you want to see how it plays out, but still dislike it. Thats why a forum exists
The show was better when it was more character driven but it would have taken about 30 series to finish it.
If visibility was that bad that they can't see Euron's ships heading towards them then how did Euron's ships see them? Visibility is a 2 way street.TBF, wasnt it hard to see the ships on board until they were pretty much right next to them? (eg that massive muthafugger of a boat wasnt seen by Yara / Theons POV until it was right next to them - they were only alerted cos of the explosion)
Yeah I dont like the dont like it dont watch it excuse. You can dislike something but still like the show. Or you can invest so much time you want to see how it plays out, but still dislike it. Thats why a forum exists
Why is that bad?
People would have got bored and HBO would have pulled the plug.
Then it would have just moved to Netflix.
Martin himself confirmed that there are at least 5 pilots of prequels/spin offs being worked on. Dwindling interest isn't really a factor at this point.
Maybe the spotters were traitors
Good point though. But not one that will stop me from sleeping :PSo, watched the ending again. I really liked how they made a mention by Yara to say Theon would be her protector, but he just abandons ship the time she needed it most (even if it made the most sense given the circumstances)
Also liked how Euron killed the sandsnakes with their own weapons and had them hanging for display with their own weapons still in them or around them. Brutal
So based on the episode my speculation is:
Sam ends up surviving it all and writing the book to describe the whole events weve seen. And he gives it a poetic title like.... A game of Thrones. Or a Song of Ice and Fire maybe?
The remaining Snake is offered to Cersei who maybe offers her to the Mountain to have her way with...
Or shes killed in front of Ellaria... And Ellaria is given to the Mountain and he Oberyns her? Hmm
Davos meets Mel at Dragonstone and tries to kill her.
We might see Nymeria again, this time helping Arya who is with Jon and when the WW appear. They will be useful against the undead imo.
The remaining Snake is offered to Cersei who maybe offers her to the Mountain to have her way with...
Or shes killed in front of Ellaria... And Ellaria is given to the Mountain and he Oberyns her? Hmm
Davos meets Mel at Dragonstone and tries to kill her.
We might see Nymeria again, this time helping Arya who is with Jon and when the WW appear. They will be useful against the undead imo.
So why was the martell woman on board?
I thought the unsullied were the ones going to casterly rock?
I don't doubt it. I would imagine that it can become one of the biggest franchises in history. I would bet that they see more value in wrapping this episode up and heading off in that direction rather than in having 30 series of the current TV show. Too much risk of it going stale.
Maybe the spotters were traitors
So, watched the ending again. I really liked how they made a mention by Yara to say Theon would be her protector, but he just abandons ship the time she needed it most (even if it made the most sense given the circumstances)
Also liked how Euron killed the sandsnakes with their own weapons and had them hanging for display with their own weapons still in them or around them. Brutal
So based on the episode my speculation is:
Sam ends up surviving it all and writing the book to describe the whole events weve seen. And he gives it a poetic title like.... A game of Thrones. Or a Song of Ice and Fire maybe?
The remaining Snake is offered to Cersei who maybe offers her to the Mountain to have her way with...
Or shes killed in front of Ellaria... And Ellaria is given to the Mountain and he Oberyns her? Hmm
Davos meets Mel at Dragonstone and tries to kill her.
We might see Nymeria again, this time helping Arya who is with Jon and when the WW appear. They will be useful against the undead imo.
My predictions are quite similar to yours to be fair.
I much prefer this fast pace now. It used to bore the hell out of me in some moments in previous season
It's feasible Euron followed the ship lanterns.
The pace would inevitably slow (a problem for a show that already gets accused of "filler"), interest would inevitably drop (how many shows have ever sustained this sort of feverish hype for that long?) and the participants involved (actors, writers, creator) likely wouldn't be around to finish the story they started. Plus all the other reasons the vast majority of TV shows don't go on for decades.
While it's fair enough to say a lot of people are hypercritical, the show is a lot less tightly plotted in earlier seasons and there are a lot more gaping holes you could pick in it now if you wanted to.
Pretty much. I think part of the problem when there's a larger overall arc like the White Walkers or Daenerys arriving on Westeros is that, in the end, the writers end up in a position where they've kind of got to fit the characters around the plot, as opposed to the start when we're getting to know the characters and there's more room to flesh them out and be unpredictable.
They were able to kill Ned at the start and have it work both as a plot device and something shocking - had they just kept Jon dead after Season 5 it'd have annoyed fans because the longer the show goes on, the more certain basic tropes have to be fulfilled plot wise.
There are chiefly 2 problems:
1) Logistics: some child actors are now grown up, and if the show goes on any longer it'd become more and more jarring (which they could've done a time skip, but that ship has sailed).
2) D&D: They already announced their new show and don't want to carry on which from HBO's perspective make it a risk for whoever coming in to replace them in case they continue. The writings of the show suffered drastically starting with season 5 where Martin had almost no involvement (and after the fame of the Red Wedding went to their heads and they started inventing stuffs and deviated more and more from the source materials - scripts for 3&4 were written and submitted at the same time). It's better for them to wrap it up and cash out on a new show than continue and being shown up.
Okay, so I have just watched this, and...
Missandei
Regarding the battle - it's probably already been discussed, but even if it's possible to assume that they overlooked Euron (with him being the greatest captain ever), wtf were those fireballs? I assume they were fired from his ships? Is this a new technique that Yara and Theon are unaware of, being away for soo long? It's definitely not a dragonfire (and Cercei wasn't too keen to him to give him anything).
And to fire everything at the ships you're going to intrude? Not the smartest move in the universe.
Overall I enjoyed it though, but the battle was a bit meh.
Missandei
Regarding the battle - it's probably already been discussed, but even if it's possible to assume that they overlooked Euron (with him being the greatest captain ever), wtf were those fireballs? I assume they were fired from his ships? Is this a new technique that Yara and Theon are unaware of, being away for soo long? It's definitely not a dragonfire (and Cercei wasn't too keen to him to give him anything).
And to fire everything at the ships you're going to intrude? Not the smartest move in the universe.
Overall I enjoyed it though, but the battle was a bit meh.
Does anyone enjoy picking scabs?
I would love to have picked all those scabs off Jorah. If you could get hold of an end you might be able to peel it off in one big satisfying rip
I would love to have picked all those scabs off Jorah. If you could get hold of an end you might be able to peel it off in one big satisfying rip
Like opening a satsuma?
By GoT standards, that last action scene was pretty meh I thought. Way too jumpy and dark, and was like it was edited together by Michael Bay.
Good episode overall though.
Good episode overall though.
The weird thing is that he even he mentions something like "oh yeah, Davos said something about it" when he first finds out about it - doesn't he? Or am I dreaming (possible)
The earlier seasons followed meticulously crafted books, it's no surprise they've struggled to maintain that without them, especially with the rapidly expanding plot and character count.