Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

Or you just fecking relax and realize they are just moving the story along and stop whining. Or if it really bothers you stop watching. Your problem solved.

The only one who is worked up is you.
Oh stop watching the show because you questioned something. Boo Hoo. If it really bothers you, stop replying. No one asked you to answer anyway, not like you have a fecking clue. Oh it's JustAMagic.
 
Pretty sure I read one of the writers or directors saying they basically gave up on keeping the various stories in synch time-wise as keeping them in check would destroyed the structure of the show, which makes perfect sense. Especially given they were massively condescending the source material as it was and forcing an entirely new structure on an existing storyline.

There is no in-story explanation, it's just one of the compromises they had to make the show work.
 
Haven't the writers explained the time travel stuff like a million times? Who wants to see episode after episode of people traveling about?
It has been explained over and over but some people only like to find things to nitpick rather than accept the explanations. It's like reading the Walking Dead thread where people watch every week just so can look clever complaining about how awful everything is.
 
Pretty sure I read one of the writers or directors saying they basically gave up on keeping the various stories in synch time-wise as keeping them in check would destroyed the structure of the show. That's especially the case given they were massively condescending the source material as it was.

It's been explained over the past few seasons, some people would rather whine.
 
Pretty sure I read one of the writers or directors saying they basically gave up on keeping the various stories in synch time-wise as keeping them in check would destroyed the structure of the show, which makes perfect sense. Especially given they were massively condescending the source material as it was and forcing an entirely new structure on an existing storyline.
Yep. Not quite 'poetic licence'. Would 'coherently intertwined narrative licence' be a better term?
 
Non concurrent time frames are not the same as time travelling. The reason why Varys seemed to travel fast was explained but that isn't magic or time travel. Some people will moan about moaners without having a fecking clue themselves.
 
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So much more interesting stuff that could be being talked about!
 
I thought they only found Bran because they connected when Bran did his thing where his eyes go white? Dont think they can track Bran wherever he goes.

Not track him as such but as he had been marked and was in the three eyed ravens cave, it broke whatever spell was keeping them out. Hence when he passes the wall it breaks whatever spell that prevents them from breaching it.
 
I would have liked more Bran on Sunday.

Constipated on Monday.

I also would have like a bit more screen time at the Wall.
 
Not track him as such but as he had been marked and was in the three eyed ravens cave, it broke whatever spell was keeping them out. Hence when he passes the wall it breaks whatever spell that prevents them from breaching it.
Possibly breaks the spell. It does seem the most obvious way to have the walls power broken. In the mountains vision it seems to indicate they may be finding a different path past the wall.
 
Weren't the Whitewalkers able to breach the three eyed ravens place because bran had been marked by the Whitewalker? Does the same apply to the wall, will Bran passing through it break whatever magic has kept the Whitewalkers out before?
Time will tell but it's a definite possibility and a popular theory.
 
The inherent contradiction here being...?
Every work of fiction has to define and then stick to its own set of rules in order to work.

To be fair, fantasy (and sci-fi) needs to be rooted in the rules/lore it establishes. Game of Thrones asks us to accept 'magic' as it specifically defines it. Time dilation isn't a part of that. But if it is, and is never addressed, that's a failing of the story-telling and should rightly be criticised.

Having said all of that, I agree with an earlier poster who said that the different story-lines are happening in different, non-concurrents, timeframes.

Err...the point is, things need to be explained whether fantasy or not. It is obvious people will have questions otherwise. If you see Jon Snow turning into a woman in the middle of a battle, you can't say, oh it's a show about magic and blah blah so it's ok.
I am staggered that people get so confused by things happening in different places on a tv show and expecting them all to be happening at the same time. Pretty much every book and every movie i have read skips forward in order to weave narratives together.
 
I am staggered that people get so confused by things happening in different places on a tv show and expecting them all to be happening at the same time. Pretty much every book and every movie i have read skips forward in order to weave narratives together.

I am staggered that you think the quoted posters thought that. At least I didn't.
 
The Hound's vision;

What do we make of that? He said "the dead are marching past" after talking about where the wall meets the sea. I'm assuming they'd be on the other side, but isn't it possible the night king just finds another way around instead of the magic bringing the wall down?
 
The scene with Daenerys and the others at the end is probably the most pointless and silly scene in any episode. They didn't need to spend nearly 10 minutes showing them walking up a long flight of stairs. Don't make the episodes longer if you're going to make me watch someone walking up some stairs for ten minutes. Also, when they get to the room with the map in it and she says "shall we begin?"...Begin what? Looking at the map? I mean, ordinarily this is something you might maybe need to do, BEFORE deciding where to sail all of your ships to? They spent this long building up to something that just made the characters and the writing look stupid.

I get that Ed Sheeran wanted to be in an episode, ok...but just have him in it then. They've had cameos before but it's been exactly that. Cameos...people who happen to be celebs filling roles that needed to be filled. Ed Sheeran's role/character was to be in GOT so that Ed Sheeran could be in GOT. Why was he singing? Why did we need a cllose up of his face? I know he can sing, I know what Ed Sheeran looks like. It's not a chat show. It was a pointless scene alltogether too, again. Arya doesn't need humanising, or to realise she is human. She stayed as Arya instead of becoming a faceless assasin precisely for this reason...there was a whole episode dedicated to making this point. This is WHY she is currently doing what she's doing. It doesn't need re-inforcing.

I enjoyed the rest of it other than these two scenes. The Sheeran scene especially though was just a distraction and felt like it lowered the tone of the whole program. Kind of like listening to a Bob Dylan album and then in the middle of it he covers an S Club 7 song for no reason.
 
The scene with Daenerys and the others at the end is probably the most pointless and silly scene in any episode. They didn't need to spend nearly 10 minutes showing them walking up a long flight of stairs. Don't make the episodes longer if you're going to make me watch someone walking up some stairs for ten minutes. Also, when they get to the room with the map in it and she says "shall we begin?"...Begin what? Looking at the map? I mean, ordinarily this is something you might maybe need to do, BEFORE deciding where to sail all of your ships to? They spent this long building up to something that just made the characters and the writing look stupid.

I get that Ed Sheeran wanted to be in an episode, ok...but just have him in it then. They've had cameos before but it's been exactly that. Cameos...people who happen to be celebs filling roles that needed to be filled. Ed Sheeran's role/character was to be in GOT so that Ed Sheeran could be in GOT. Why was he singing? Why did we need a cllose up of his face? I know he can sing, I know what Ed Sheeran looks like. It's not a chat show. It was a pointless scene alltogether too, again. Arya doesn't need humanising, or to realise she is human. She stayed as Arya instead of becoming a faceless assasin precisely for this reason...there was a whole episode dedicated to making this point. This is WHY she is currently doing what she's doing. It doesn't need re-inforcing.

I enjoyed the rest of it other than these two scenes. The Sheeran scene especially though was just a distraction and felt like it lowered the tone of the whole program. Kind of like listening to a Bob Dylan album and then in the middle of it he covers an S Club 7 song for no reason.

Spot on. They humanised arya enough with that actress she was supposed to kill, but she didn't. She's a stone cold killer with a heart for people who deserve it, we get it FFS.
 
The Hound's vision;

What do we make of that? He said "the dead are marching past" after talking about where the wall meets the sea. I'm assuming they'd be on the other side, but isn't it possible the night king just finds another way around instead of the magic bringing the wall down?

Exact quotes:

Hound: "Logs burning..."
Priest: "Keep looking, what do you see."
Hound:"Ice, a wall of ice. The wall."
Priest: "What else"
Hound:"It's where the wall meets the sea, there's a castle there. There's a mountain, looks like an arrow head. The dead are marching past. Thousands of them."

That suggests to me the Witch King is marching past the mountain shaped like an arrow head. But it isn't made clear which side of the wall the mountain is on. It's also not made clear which coast it is, east or west. The Wildlings have gone to the East Coast.
 
I dont think that scene with Arya and Sheeran was about humanising Arya. It was more so to humanise the enemy or those who are portrayed as 'the bad guys' but arent really.


So much more interesting stuff that could be being talked about!

Exactly, like was it vanilla or vinegar? The important stuff
 
Mother of Jaysus, it wasn't about humanizing Arya, it was to show that Lannister soldiers aren't all evil, baby killing monsters. They're just young lads forced to sign up for someone else's war(s).

Also, the Kylo Ren looking dude is Pete Postlewaith's son.
 
Exact quotes:

Hound: "Logs burning..."
Priest: "Keep looking, what do you see."
Hound:"Ice, a wall of ice. The wall."
Priest: "What else"
Hound:"It's where the wall meets the sea, there's a castle there. There's a mountain, looks like an arrow head. The dead are marching past. Thousands of them."

That suggests to me the Witch King is marching past the mountain shaped like an arrow head. But it isn't made clear which side of the wall the mountain is on. It's also not made clear which coast it is, east or west. The Wildlings have gone to the East Coast.
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I don't see any mountains on this side. There may be some hidden on the other. The terrain looks a lot rougher there:
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The dragonglass theory is interesting. I wonder if we're going to see someone have to choose between killing a white walker and healing themself/someone else with a piece of it.
 
Expected season opener. Was fun seeing Arya take them all out as Frey.
The fooking giants in the walker army. ffs. Was expecting to see Hodor too lol
Dragonstone meet up coming soon too with Dany and Jon Snow.

That was one big tease of an episode which has set up this season going forward now. We know where everybody is within the kingdom, whos on which side, and some motives.

Hound is the greatest though with his insults.

Don't. I won't be able to cope if that ends up happening and Bran sees them.
 
It was a really good and enjoyable episode overall, but that food/shit/book montage in the Citadel was a worse directed scene than anything involving the Sand Snakes. Horrible stuff, and completely disengaging. More so than Ed Sheeran, for me.
 
It was a really good and enjoyable episode overall, but that food/shit/book montage in the Citadel was a worse directed scene than anything involving the Sand Snakes. Horrible stuff, and completely disengaging. More so than Ed Sheeran, for me.
Didn't like that either. Felt like a 2nd year film major directed it. Disgusting as feck too.
 
Just rewatched the episode, at the beginning of the Cersei/Jamie scene where Jamie said they cannot feed their men and horses, I realized something really weird about the whole series. Why the Lannister is the only house that has any kinds of concern about finance or food to maintain their army? The other one I can think of was Stannis Baratheon when he went to the Iron Bank. Now who is backing Dany, the City of Mereen?
 
Just rewatched the episode, at the beginning of the Cersei/Jamie scene where Jamie said they cannot feed their men and horses, I realized something really weird about the whole series. Why the Lannister is the only house that has any kinds of concern about finance or food to maintain their army? The other one I can think of was Stannis Baratheon when he went to the Iron Bank. Now who is backing Dany, the City of Mereen?
She's not concerned about it because she has no experience of it. Her army will begin to disintegrate before long. Particularly if she tells the Dothraki not to rape and pillage.
 
Don't want to make it sound like like I'm moaning too much, cos I really did enjoy the episode a lot overall. But that scene just didn't fit in with what we've seen from seven seasons of GoT now.
 
The Sheeran scene would have been forgivable if it had been funny but it wasn't. The scenes with the Hound and at the citadel were pretty meh also and I fell asleep during the last scene.
 
Just rewatched the episode, at the beginning of the Cersei/Jamie scene where Jamie said they cannot feed their men and horses, I realized something really weird about the whole series. Why the Lannister is the only house that has any kinds of concern about finance or food to maintain their army? The other one I can think of was Stannis Baratheon when he went to the Iron Bank. Now who is backing Dany, the City of Mereen?
They all have to provision their armies, again it is just a matter of how the writers want to tell the story. I mean sure they could get into showing every house, army, etc dealing with the logistics but in some cases it really is not necessary.

With Stannis, particularly when he headed towards winterfell it became an issue that made sense to show it. With the Lannisters it will help drive their plans ( i.e. Going after the old cnut first).

We may yet see others having to deal with logistics but let's face it, it really is not necessary to have the show be Game of Logistics. Granted it was once said "Amateurs study tactics, professionals study logistics." It really would be sort of boring to have it discussed too much in the show.
 
Many of you are bashing the Ed Sheeran scene, but I didn't mind it much as I'd prolly be unable to pick him out of a lineup. His acting was fine for what the scene called for. Someone who can sing a tune around the campfire.
 
The Ed Sheeran scene was silly because it was distracting. Hopefully
he will be brutally murdered early on in
episode 2
 
The Ed Sheeran scene was silly because it was distracting. Hopefully
he will be brutally murdered early on in
episode 2
This is true. I'd be annoyed if that was say, Bruno Mars or Justin Timberlake in that scene. But since I don't really know much about Sheeran, can't say I was too bothered. As for your spoiler, I'd be upset if that were the case. That would mean giving more air time to what should obviously remain a small, bit-part.
 
The Hound's vision;

What do we make of that? He said "the dead are marching past" after talking about where the wall meets the sea. I'm assuming they'd be on the other side, but isn't it possible the night king just finds another way around instead of the magic bringing the wall down?

Exact quotes:

Hound: "Logs burning..."
Priest: "Keep looking, what do you see."
Hound:"Ice, a wall of ice. The wall."
Priest: "What else"
Hound:"It's where the wall meets the sea, there's a castle there. There's a mountain, looks like an arrow head. The dead are marching past. Thousands of them."

That suggests to me the Witch King is marching past the mountain shaped like an arrow head. But it isn't made clear which side of the wall the mountain is on. It's also not made clear which coast it is, east or west. The Wildlings have gone to the East Coast.

Jon does mention the night king was last at hardhome, and says Eastwatch by the sea must be defended. I'm guessing he is expecting them to try and breach there, hence the wildlings manning the wall there.
 
I don't think Sheeran was a big deal. It definitely doesn't spoil the episode due to that unless you are ticked off very easily. Maisie Williams is apparently a big fan and thus it made sense for the creators to have him. He also looks the part in someway as he is very plain looking. Either way it's not a big deal.