Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

First sequence in Kings Landing was so good, very nicely done cinematically. Varys showing up was cool and hints to the plans for next season. I did not see Arya coming at all, and was wondering why Frey was back in the picture all of a sudden, very cool. Tommen stuff was a bit vague, I get the implied suicide, but the lack of confirmation confused me a little.

Jon becoming King of the North was a pretty powerful scene as well. Nicely contrasted with Cercei becoming Queen too. The final shot of Dany's fleet with the dragons and fantastic music playing gave me goosebumps all over. Very strong finale.

That was beautiful IMHO. I suspect she'll take King's Landing rather easily but the real war will soon start just afterwards.
 
I think Tommen took the name kings landing a bit to literally imo.

But still was a great episode and season 7 will be amazing
 
Bran's uncle said something about not being able to go over/through the Wall because of some sort of magic? Is that why the whitewalkers haven't attempted to cross yet?

I wonder what he's going to do with himself now.
 
The teleporting stuff doesn't bother me because I have no idea what the map looks like. I just assumed Dorne was pretty close to Mereen. Or maybe the timeline doesn't stay constant as we jump between storylines. Ignorance is bliss.
 
I really don't understand why people bitch about 'teleporting', he left Mereen like 3 episodes ago that's at least a week, plus we have no idea exactly when that scene took place other than it was after the events in Kings Landing, so the old Tyrell bint has to travel to Dorne even if she left from High garden and went straight there that's a few weeks again. We watch the show and assume these are parallel events but there might be minor time misalignment and just because they follow linearly doesn't mean it's directly one after the other. Do we really need a '3 weeks later' ?
 
The episode was great. The score was fantastic, it's really got me hyped. Now we're going to have to wait a year :(:(
 
I still can't over the fact that they killed off 9 characters that episode. NINE.

It's great for the progression of the story to get rid of a lot of the deadwood characters. Only disappointing thing is fat Sam is still alive.
 
First sequence in Kings Landing was so good, very nicely done cinematically. Varys showing up was cool and hints to the plans for next season. I did not see Arya coming at all, and was wondering why Frey was back in the picture all of a sudden, very cool. Tommen stuff was a bit vague, I get the implied suicide, but the lack of confirmation confused me a little.

Jon becoming King of the North was a pretty powerful scene as well. Nicely contrasted with Cercei becoming Queen too. The final shot of Dany's fleet with the dragons and fantastic music playing gave me goosebumps all over. Very strong finale.

How do you mean?
 
Free falls out of a window. Funeral instructions given. New queen is crowned.

"Hmm still not sure. We never got a close up of his dead face."
 
Yeah but he's obviously going to find something important in that huge library.

Indeed. I'm guessing
something to do with killing the whitewalkers for good.
 
Indeed. I'm guessing
something to do with killing the whitewalkers for good.

I'm not sure, been thinking about it and there's a few options. Like a way to prevent people rising up as undead corpses, or as you say finishing them off for good (although we already know one method). Probably something more clever than that though, but i'm to tired to think it through at the moment!
 
Yeah but he's obviously going to find something important in that huge library.

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The contraption we see right at the start of the title sequence is in the library. So safe to say Sam's presence there is of importance. One theory is that he ends up being the old maester who recounts the 'song of ice and fire'. It's even possible that GRRM based Sam Tarly on himself as he's said before that if he was any character it would be him.
 
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Bran's uncle said something about not being able to go over/through the Wall because of some sort of magic? Is that why the whitewalkers haven't attempted to cross yet?

I wonder what he's going to do with himself now.
Magic and waiting for winter to hit.

Some of the travel seems quickened but on the other hand we don't know how much time passes between some scenes. So I just let it roll
 
For those wondering about Varys' teleportation, it looks like the final scene might be after they've already been to Dorne and picked up the Martells. You can see Martell sigils on a couple of the ships.
Yeah the assumption is a bit of time has passed. Time for ships to get there. Provisions to be gathered and loaded. Etc. Fair enough
 
I wonder if Daenerys will bump into Gendry on the ride down to King's Landing :D
 
Alright, I've had almost 12 hours for that episode to sink in.

Here's my issue: It's moving to fast.

Some of the stories are being handled well, Jon Snow and Daenerys have been well done for the most part. But the other plots, including the Kings Landing section are just being filmed so fast that you can't really take anything in.

My initial thought about the Arya sequence was "oh that must be a dream... right?". There's been no build up at all, she tells us she's going home. Next thing we know she's at the Freys killing him. It all seems to be done for that GoT 'shock' but back in Seasons 2/3 it was well planned out, with loads of subtle hints so when the shock did come it really did have an impact. Now it seems like a gimmick.

Don't get me wrong, i'm enjoying the ride. But at the same time i'm feeling a bit underwhelmed at points when all they seem to be doing is trying to push the story along to get to the shocking bits. The writing simply isn't up to scratch.
 
I wouldnt mind it. Although it would be kinda sick in a way if Jon Snows father is confirmed to be who some of us think it is.
Maybe just an alliance between them although given LF trying to influence Sansa, maybe some sort of civil war between Sansa and Jon incoming...



:lol: Two countries? Thats mad. Not bad work eh?

Spain for Dorne and Belfast for the boat scene.
 
Alright, I've had almost 12 hours for that episode to sink in.

Here's my issue: It's moving to fast.

Some of the stories are being handled well, Jon Snow and Daenerys have been well done for the most part. But the other plots, including the Kings Landing section are just being filmed so fast that you can't really take anything in.

My initial thought about the Arya sequence was "oh that must be a dream... right?". There's been no build up at all, she tells us she's going home. Next thing we know she's at the Freys killing him. It all seems to be done for that GoT 'shock' but back in Seasons 2/3 it was well planned out, with loads of subtle hints so when the shock did come it really did have an impact. Now it seems like a gimmick.

Don't get me wrong, i'm enjoying the ride. But at the same time i'm feeling a bit underwhelmed at points when all they seem to be doing is trying to push the story along to get to the shocking bits. The writing simply isn't up to scratch.

I actually prefer the speed of the plot since it diverged from the books.

Books are far too fecking long (without justification) and rightly criticised for it. It's obviously a matter of preference/taste but I'm happy they are pushing through the plot to get to the conclusion. It'll be 8 seasons when it's all finished and that's more than enough for a fantasy drama.

Excellent episode last night in any case. First 10-15 minutes in Kings Landing was as good as any movie I've seen.
 
I actually prefer the speed of the plot since it diverged from the books.

Books are far too fecking long (without justification) and rightly criticised for it. It's obviously a matter of preference/taste but I'm happy they are pushing through the plot to get to the conclusion. It'll be 8 seasons when it's all finished and that's more than enough for a fantasy drama.

Excellent episode last night in any case. First 10-15 minutes in Kings Landing was as good as any movie I've seen.

Personally, I prefer the build up. It's personal taste as you say. But the buildup to the Red Wedding for example is by far the best thing the show did. Nothings really beaten that in terms of storytelling.

I mean look at the first quarter of this episode, you knew precisely what was happening once the Mountain stopped Tommen from going. There wasn't really a shock in it because they'd just made it so transparent. Then compare it to the Red Wedding where you literally had no idea what was about to hit you until the first bolt was fired. As I say, subtlety has gone. It's becoming a bit too American Blockbuster now. I like American Blockbusters, but I loved GoT.

Perhaps it was always heading that direction given the sheer scale of the events to come.
 
Everything can not be a shock, some storylines are going to be heading in a pretty obvious direction. The further along you get, as the players are killed off, the possibilities narrow. Most speculation had Tommen dieing in the wildfire or perhaps by Frankenmountain, don't remember anyone saying he kills himself. Not a huge shock, but not the way most expected it to happen.

Arya, we always knew what her plans where, she was not in a position to do some drawn out plan like the Red Wedding. She has trained as an assassin. She used her training. Great scene in my opinion.
 
Personally, I prefer the build up. It's personal taste as you say. But the buildup to the Red Wedding for example is by far the best thing the show did. Nothings really beaten that in terms of storytelling.

I mean look at the first quarter of this episode, you knew precisely what was happening once the Mountain stopped Tommen from going. There wasn't really a shock in it because they'd just made it so transparent. Then compare it to the Red Wedding where you literally had no idea what was about to hit you until the first bolt was fired. As I say, subtlety has gone. It's becoming a bit too American Blockbuster now. I like American Blockbusters, but I loved GoT.

Perhaps it was always heading that direction given the sheer scale of the events to come.

I think some like myself prefer that the Red Wedding is a one time deal. It was huge and will likely remain the pivotal, shocking moment in the story. I'm not sure having every major event in the same manner is necessary.

Also let's assume you're watching it as someone who doesn't read predictions on the internet. As much as we knew something was happening at the trial when Cersei didn't move and Gregor stopped Tommen from going. The delivery of it was spectacular. I mean it was almost exactly like the predictions people had made prior to the episode (not exact of course) and it was still amazing to watch regardless.

I think you could also argue the oncoming 'winter' is accelerating the plot as well. We've been waiting for the wall to fall and it still hasn't. Eventually, the foreplay has to stop and something has to give.
 
What a finale.

Can't believe there's probably going to be 16 or so episodes left.

Can't be all that much useful plot left in GRRM's future books if there's only so much for 16 more episodes. In fact, some I notice are already speculating he might just release Winds and it will turn out to have the ending with it, acting as the last book.