Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

Its certainly one of the most pleasing episodes in the entire series from start to finish. It focuses on two of people's favorite characters - Daenerys and Snow. They both get solid victories in their two battles. One of the most hated people in the show dies and also in the best possible way possible. Everyone's favorite family retakes their home. Everyones favorite girl finally gets her ships.
 
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Prodigal7 said:
Edmure said the red wedding was 2 years ago at Riverun. I'd make that a max 3 years since the beginning (probably closer to 2) and Rickon was 6 at the beginning of the show. For clarity I know we get carried away but actor Art Parkinson is not actually Rickon Stark :lol:
I also reckon Art didn't get much screen time because he's taller than Iwan Reon (Ramsey), so it wouldn't really look that intimidating...
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When?. His only mention of time I can find is 'you kept me in a cell for years.' no mention of how many.
 
This is one of his posts from earlier in the thread...

Prodigal7 said:
Would anyone be interested in what actually happens in future episodes (I don't know everything, just a little)? If so I can set up another thread and caveat it like "future events, don''t open if you don't want to know!" or somethig similar. Would ideally like mod approval first, not keen on getting banned the same day I get promoted...
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...don't think he can be trusted.
 
I can see legitimacy in some of the criticisms about the last episode but to be honest the direction was so good it seems petty to focus on them. Also it seems naive to expect another 'Red Wedding' now, it seems we're hurtling towards the endgame now and while it was ok to kill off the main characters in the early seasons when there was lots of time to establish others into the position, there just isn't enough time to do that now.

I don't know who posted it earlier but I love the idea that Sansa knew what she was doing in order to tempt Ramsey into an open battle, ruthlessly setting a trap for him at the risk of Jon and the army would be Tywin levels of conniving.

Yara and Daenerys :drool:
 
I thought it was rather excellent. Sure it had silly bits, but how well was the whole thing shot and the flow was spot on.

The only gripe I have is there was no real Snow vs Ramsey fight. Ramsey was supposed to be some shit hot fighter and he just uses a bow and gets whopped :(
 
JustAFan said:
AT this point I think more than a few watch it ONLY to find something to complain about. This is getting like the Walking Dead thread, where you start to wonder why people are even bothering to watch the show.
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That's very true, as turd as TWD has become. The Arrow thread, admittedly also gone to shit, is another fine example.
 
Redlambs said:
I thought it was rather excellent. Sure it had silly bits, but how well was the whole thing shot and the flow was spot on.

The only gripe I have is there was no real Snow vs Ramsey fight. Ramsey was supposed to be some shit hot fighter and he just uses a bow and gets whopped :(
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Typical bully can't actually fight
 
Fully Fledged said:
It's not when it started as much as how long it's been running. Everybody in the show is 6 years older than they were when the show started. Where did you get the idea he is 8 from? If it's the books you are posting it in the wrong thread.
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Book readers aren't allowed to point out the ages of characters in the show? Some of you lot need to give this TV vs books thing a fecking rest.
 
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Anustart89 said:
Book readers aren't allowed to point out the ages of characters in the show? Some of you lot need to give this TV vs books a fecking rest.
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I know right! This isn't some secret plot change, the characters in the show are supposed to be the same age as in the books so what's the issue?
 
Nucks said:
She arrived at the battle at the head of the Knights of the Vale. Ravens, are actually like email. They didn't show the reply, or LF getting it, because that shatters whatever suspense there may be.

It seemed pretty obvious to me, that Sansa was trying to delay Jon in the prelude to the battle, but she wasn't willing to let her secret out. She knew the Knights were coming. She knew they were close. She met Littlefinger at Moletown FFS. The Knights were in the north already.

She deliberately hid that information from Jon, and hoped that he would decide to delay.

She's playing the game, holding her cards close to her chest, but she doesn't seem to understand there is a time to hold them, and there is a time to let your closest ally, your brother, know that he doesn't have to charge into battle.

Here is the other thing, by the time the battle began, the Knights were going to be at most, a few miles away. This means, that at the very, VERY least, if Sansa hadn't known, she knew a couple of days before the battle. How else would she end up showing up at the head of the army, that did not approach from the direction of their camp, but came from the side, and most likely came from the side due to the fact Winterfel was in their path of march. They had to go around it. This means, that Sansa not only was in contact with Littlefinger, but she had time to leave camp after the Jon and the warriors left, ride to meet up with Littlefinger, and then go to the battle.

If Sansa had not known, then Littlefinger would have arrived by himself, from the direction he came from, with the Vale Knights, OR, he would have moved past Winterfel, past the battle, found Sansa at the camp, and then ridden back to the battle with Sansa, and he would have arrived from a direction BEHIND Jons forces.

She knew. Any way you want to slice it or spin it, she knew. If they make it out to sound like she didn't know in the next episode, then there are all the issues I just listed to reconcile. Basically it would be idiotic to suggest she didn't know.
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Not only did she know, she was willing to sacrifice both her brothers to get the victory. All signs are pointing to her becoming an evil, evil bitch. She's learned first-hand from two of the worst, Joffrey and Ramsey.
 
I do find it funny that cos an actor has aged six years (and thus his character is obviously looking six years older) that the storyline is thus six years a long. Quite an assumption. Not that its wrong, but it doesnt guarantee its right.

Some of the arguments in this thread have been truly funny
-Vinegar vs Vanilla
-Was it rape vs it wasnt rape
-How old an actor looks vs age of character in terms of storyline progression
-Logic of characters in a situation where in real life it has been proven people dont act sane.

Anyway, Sansa turning into this manipulator would be quite a storyline and character arc for her. Fawning over Joffrey, to realising how he is by seeing her dad beheaded in front of her, to then being forced to marry Tyrion, to then being pimped out to Ramsay and humiliated again, to then escaping and finally being key to the victory
 
Man of Leisure said:
Not only did she know, she was willing to sacrifice both her brothers to get the victory. All signs are pointing to her becoming an evil, evil bitch. She's learned first-hand from two of the worst, Joffrey and Ramsey.
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That's a little harsh. She manipulates but I think she does it for a better cause than the 2 you mention. She was simply correct when she told Jon that Rickon was already dead and as soon as she got the proof of Shaggydogs head you could see her face really drop knowing that Rickon was a gonner. Ramsey was never going to let Rickon live. What she did do was manipulate Jon at castle black into thinking he could be saved so as to motivate Jon to fight with her and not to "go south and get warm". As for being willing to sacrifice Jon, I don't see where you're coming from there.
 
@Nucks Why would Sansa not just tell Jon they were on their way and close? What's the advantage of keeping it secret?
 
Sied said:
@Nucks Why would Sansa not just tell Jon they were on their way and close? What's the advantage of keeping it secret?
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The only thing I can think of there is she didn't even know if they were coming at all. And they had to do something sooner rather than later because of the winter, so maybe she was worried it'd hold them off too long in the hope of an army showing?

Though to counter my own argument, her turning up right next to little finger could mean she knew where and when he'd arrive.
 
Prodigal7 said:
That's a little harsh. She manipulates but I think she does it for a better cause than the 2 you mention. She was simply correct when she told Jon that Rickon was already dead and as soon as she got the proof of Shaggydogs head you could see her face really drop knowing that Rickon was a gonner. Ramsey was never going to let Rickon live. What she did do was manipulate Jon at castle black into thinking he could be saved so as to motivate Jon to fight with her and not to "go south and get warm". As for being willing to sacrifice Jon, I don't see where you're coming from there.
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Nah, not buying it. Clearly the writers of the show are positioning Sansa as the next potential baddie. Not that I'm complaining, her character is far more interesting with this newfound, darker side. The odds of Jon Snow's survival would significantly increase had he known the Knights of the Vale were available as backup and waited for them.
 
Man of Leisure said:
Nah, not buying it. Clearly the writers of the show are positioning Sansa as the next potential baddie. Not that I'm complaining, her character is far more interesting with this newfound, darker side. The odds of Jon Snow's survival would significantly increase had he known the Knights of the Vale were available as backup and waited for them.
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If Ramsey saw his army outnumbered like that before the fight he would never have left the walls of winterfell and Jon would never have won. Sansa likely knew that. Anyway, hopefully we should find out more in the next episode as I beleive the preview showed Sansa and Jon talking about trust
 
Mentions of the preview for the next ep just out in the open ffs.
 
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Wish they'd shown just a little more of his mutilaition.
 
harms said:
She said that she can still feel him inside of her. It would incredibly cringe if both of them were referring to a baby, but it's possible
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Maybe and sounds plausible. However Iwan Rheon who plays Ramsey Isn't giving it away

"It’s a good scene. It leaves Sansa in an interesting place as a character, because he’s saying, “I’m inside you now. It’s horrible, and I think he probably has done some damage. He’s gotten in her head. But I think it’s nice too, because it’s such a great scene to go out on."

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/06/19/game-thrones-battle-death
 
I think I slightly preferred the one where they battled the white walkers last season but this one was right up there.
 
Was secretly hoping Daenerys would fall off her dragon when she got on and it flew away. Would have been a hilariously anti-climatic death.

Also wish that Davos got pissed with Tormund. That would have made for a great scene.
 
Prodigal7 said:
If Ramsey saw his army outnumbered like that before the fight he would never have left the walls of winterfell and Jon would never have won. Sansa likely knew that. Anyway, hopefully we should find out more in the next episode as I beleive the preview showed Sansa and Jon talking about trust
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I was thinking though... even if Sansa said to Jon something like "OK look, I'm going to get your men... a feck ton of them, just follow your plan and stay alive and they'll finish the job" or whatever, and the whole episode could have played out in EXACTLY the same way (Jon losing his shit over Rickon) ...

So it can only be a) Sansa is a scheming evil person b) Sansa is a moron or c) it was all done just for the dramatic reveal/save...

I really hope it's not c.
 
Or again Sansa may not have been 100% certain of Littlefingers arrival time or if he could be counted on to arrive at all let alone in time to save the day. I mean surely it can not be that difficult to imagine that predicting arrival times would be difficult.

But everyone trusts Littlefinger.


Time will tell as I am sure that cat will be let out of the bag and Sansa will have to explain
 
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