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There were a few other things as well including pushing the buttons that led to Cat taking Tyrion prisoner.

Oh. Was this due to the attempted murder on Bran (he said the weapon was with Tyrion or he lost it to Tyrion or something). But yeah.

Love Varys' line about him: "He would see this country burn if he could be king of the ashes."

Varys + LF scenes were great.
 
any idea what that song/soundtrack was at the end of Aryas episode when she confronts Jacquen and says she is going home??
 
You want DEM?? Here it is. Ned Stark returns to save the day!

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That battle of the basterds scene was epic i have to admit. Would have loved to have watched that in imax 3D.

I wouldn't. I felt claustrophobic enough when Jon was being crushed watching it in my living room. :lol:
 
Well he started everything didnt he? The hand of the king (that was dead originally - well was dead in ep1) was cos of LF (and getting Cats sister to do it). This got Ned as Hand, who LF turned on siding with Lannisters (didnt he get some piece of land for it)
He then helped Tyrells poison Joffrey to get away to marry Cats sister (then killing her).
He then pimped out Sansa to Boltons, then kinda rescued her (making her rely on him and his army).

Hes basically loving the chaos he started. Didnt he say something about chaos being a great ladder or something?

The smug look on his face whilst his knights smashed the Bolton shield-wall said it all. The guy is in his element in these chaotic times.
 
@Nucks Why would Sansa not just tell Jon they were on their way and close? What's the advantage of keeping it secret?

There is no advantage, unless she thinks Jon is an imbecile.

If Ramsey saw his army outnumbered like that before the fight he would never have left the walls of winterfell and Jon would never have won. Sansa likely knew that. Anyway, hopefully we should find out more in the next episode as I beleive the preview showed Sansa and Jon talking about trust

This is only true, if you think Jon is some sort of tactical idiot. Knowing that an army of heavy cavalry is coming, doesn't mean you have to strut around like the cock of the walk advertising that you have 3-4k heavy cavalry about to show up.

The knowledge, however, totally changes the strategy Jon would have employed. Ramsay wasn't going to kill Rickon, until Jon attacked, because it was his plan to lure Jon into a mistake. So if Jon knows the Knights of the Vale are OTS (that's on the scene for all you fellas that are not down with the lingo!) He waits a couple of hours before he marches in. Everything goes the same, except, the Knights hit the Boltons 5 minutes sooner, and Jon doesn't lose his entire force more or less.

There has to be a little suspension of disbelief here, because it's actually ludicrous to think that an army of heavy cavalry that is at most a couple of miles from Winterfel isn't going to be seen by scouts from either side.

So, since LF and the Knights WERE able to sneak up, then we have to assume Jon knowing they are sneaking up doesn't impact their ability to take Ramsay unawares.

Anyway you want to slice this pizza pie from a logical/rational point of view, Sansa did Jon dirty.
 
Littlefinger loves the chaos. But I am not sure what is the thing he wants to achieve. Surely he doesn't see himself sitting on iron throne by destroying everyone else.
 
Are we allowed to post and discuss potential spoilers that may have been posted elsewhere about future episodes (in spoiler box obviously) or no?
 
Littlefinger loves the chaos. But I am not sure what is the thing he wants to achieve. Surely he doesn't see himself sitting on iron throne by destroying everyone else.

power play for an alliance with dany and the dragons
 
Littlefinger loves the chaos. But I am not sure what is the thing he wants to achieve. Surely he doesn't see himself sitting on iron throne by destroying everyone else.

What other way is there for someone like him to achieve the Iron Throne. He needs the more powerful houses fecked up, he needs himself seen as a savior of sorts, he needs a power base (The Vale, Harranhal and the North) to support him. So yeah it is all about the Iron Throne to him, and a bit of revenge against those powerful houses who looked down on him.
 
Littlefinger loves the chaos. But I am not sure what is the thing he wants to achieve. Surely he doesn't see himself sitting on iron throne by destroying everyone else.

Littlefinger just wants as much power as possible. He'll never sit atop the Iron Throne because he isn't from an old noble family like Lannister or Stark but he can be the guy pulling all of the strings and ruling in all but name. He is already the Lord of the Vale for all intents, and if he can bring Sansa under his influence he will rule two of the seven kingdoms, as well as having ties to the Reach through his pact with the Tyrells to murder Joffrey.
 
If he did do serpentine all Ramsay would have said is "Nock, draw, loose" and he would've been a pin cushion anyway.

Yeah he was not going to let Rickon live, sort of an important point for those who like to pick things apart need to think about.

Ramsey was not actually trying to give Rickon a chance to escape, he was trying to hurt Jon Snow and to get him to react in anger rather than stick to his battle plan. Ramsey's plan worked perfectly except for the arrival of the army from the Vale.
 
Littlefinger just wants as much power as possible. He'll never sit atop the Iron Throne because he isn't from an old noble family like Lannister or Stark but he can be the guy pulling all of the strings and ruling in all but name. He is already the Lord of the Vale for all intents, and if he can bring Sansa under his influence he will rule two of the seven kingdoms, as well as having ties to the Reach through his pact with the Tyrells to murder Joffrey.


He doesn't need to be from an old family to claim the throne, he just has to have enough power behind him to claim it. Right now he has one of the most powerful surviving armies behind, The Vale. He will make a play for getting what is left of the North behind him, he is Lord of Harranhal (not much there but probably some local minor houses could be brought in there). The Starks are in rough shape, the Lannister's are but a few deaths away from having any claim on the throne gone plus their Army has already taken a beating and Tywin is long gone, the Tyrrel's well we shall see what happens with them and their claims, they already have allied with him once.

A bit more chaos and he might be the one left standing ready to fill the power vacuum.
 
There is no advantage, unless she thinks Jon is an imbecile.



This is only true, if you think Jon is some sort of tactical idiot. Knowing that an army of heavy cavalry is coming, doesn't mean you have to strut around like the cock of the walk advertising that you have 3-4k heavy cavalry about to show up.

The knowledge, however, totally changes the strategy Jon would have employed. Ramsay wasn't going to kill Rickon, until Jon attacked, because it was his plan to lure Jon into a mistake. So if Jon knows the Knights of the Vale are OTS (that's on the scene for all you fellas that are not down with the lingo!) He waits a couple of hours before he marches in. Everything goes the same, except, the Knights hit the Boltons 5 minutes sooner, and Jon doesn't lose his entire force more or less.

There has to be a little suspension of disbelief here, because it's actually ludicrous to think that an army of heavy cavalry that is at most a couple of miles from Winterfel isn't going to be seen by scouts from either side.

So, since LF and the Knights WERE able to sneak up, then we have to assume Jon knowing they are sneaking up doesn't impact their ability to take Ramsay unawares.

Anyway you want to slice this pizza pie from a logical/rational point of view, Sansa did Jon dirty.
Of course he was, he was always going to kill Rickon because Rickon is a true Stark and a huge threat to him, as Sansa said.
 


Look closely at the Jon's sword :lol:
 
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Strangely enough I just saw this posted on my facebook. TBH, its really really minor given you really have to be analyzing shot by shot to see this. (clearly some people have waaaay too much time on their hands lol).
 
Strangely enough I just saw this posted on my facebook. TBH, its really really minor given you really have to be analyzing shot by shot to see this. (clearly some people have waaaay too much time on their hands lol).
Yeah, it certainly doesn't take away anything from the overall brilliant episode (we all kinda know that the battle isn't happening for real, right?), but I find it pretty funny
 
Besides no archer should be able to kill a running at full speed human from that distance. Only in movies
It certainly does take a world-class ability and a big amount of luck, but it's not impossible. World's record shot is around 500 meters (although with a much better equipment). If you add to this that the target is pretty big and is moving in a straight line at the constant speed, it doesn't seem impossible for a great archer to have 1 accurate shot out of 5 at what, 200-250 meters? And Rickon runs like a turtle (not the Achilles' one)

The technique was right - unlike the close target shooting, when the arrow flies straight forward, Ramsey shots at 45 degree angle for a longer shot

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Not really. Even i will just run my lungs off and not looking back. Besides no archer should be able to kill a running at full speed human from that distance. Only in movies
I know I'm only being daft, was no way being serious, I'm addicted to GOT won't have a bad word said about it :nervous:
 
He doesn't need to be from an old family to claim the throne, he just has to have enough power behind him to claim it. Right now he has one of the most powerful surviving armies behind, The Vale. He will make a play for getting what is left of the North behind him, he is Lord of Harranhal (not much there but probably some local minor houses could be brought in there). The Starks are in rough shape, the Lannister's are but a few deaths away from having any claim on the throne gone plus their Army has already taken a beating and Tywin is long gone, the Tyrrel's well we shall see what happens with them and their claims, they already have allied with him once.

A bit more chaos and he might be the one left standing ready to fill the power vacuum.

The Vale follow Robin Arryn, who is controlled by Littlefinger, because he is their rightful High Lord. If he were to die so would Littlefinger's grasp on the Vale. Littlefinger could try to seize the Iron Throne for Robin Arryn and rule by proxy but the Vale would never support Littlefinger if he named himself King. Neither would anybody else. Literally every other Lord in the entire country would have to be dead for Littlefinger to become King.
 
What does everybody think about Varys? Whats his ultimate goal? He seems to be the x factor in this and it doesnt seem as simple for him.
 
Of course he was, he was always going to kill Rickon because Rickon is a true Stark and a huge threat to him, as Sansa said.

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

"Ramsay wasn't going to kill Rickon, until Jon attacked, because it was his plan to lure Jon into a mistake."
 
So who does everyone have getting killed off in the season finale? Whomever guesses all correctly gets a pie. Or whomever knows whether to use 'who' or 'whom.'

I got
  • High Sparrow
  • Tommen
  • Melisandre