Which now explains why the neighbors won't invite you to anymore GoT watching parties.
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Which now explains why the neighbors won't invite you to anymore GoT watching parties.
Winterfell is Sansa's by right now I think. Pure blood girl trumps bastard? With Littlefinger now involved does anyone see Jon being marginalised and leaving with the Mellisandre and the wildlings to meetup with fellow Lord of Lighters, the brotherhood without banners and the hound? Surely they were brought back into it for a reason. If Jon is Danny's brother or half brother, does that not mean they should marry to keep the dragon blood thing going?
I am gutted to be saying goodbye to Ramsey. He was my favourite character but the writers were never going to deny us that satisfactions of seeing him die.
Now that he is gone the title of my favourite character has been handed down.
This girl steals the show without saying a word!
Now that he is gone the title of my favourite character has been handed down.
This girl steals the show without saying a word!
I am gutted to be saying goodbye to Ramsey. He was my favourite character but the writers were never going to deny us that satisfactions of seeing him die.
Now that he is gone the title of my favourite character has been handed down.
This girl steals the show without saying a word!
Agreed, her sheer contempt for the entire world is impressive.
Might I also add that somehow Daenarys was even hotter in this episode than when she appears nude..
Those enticing facial expressions while sitting on the throne and hashing it out with the Ironborn
Braveheart, battle of Falkirk.
"Longshanks: Archers.
English Commander: I beg your pardon sire, but...won't we hit our own troops?
Longshanks: ...Yes. But we'll hit theirs as well. We have reserves. Attack!"
It was a great fun
But the battle, how often do we see one side losing terribly only to be saved at the end by a new army who arrive late on the scene?
But the battle, how often do we see one side losing terribly only to be saved at the end by a new army who arrive late on the scene?
Omfg that was so good. No one good died 
Well apart from giant
Well apart from giant Wait so we're going to have females ruling the whole world surely? Queen of the North, Queen of the Iron Islands and Queen of the rest. Each one with their own dragon.
This might happen actually, since male rulers mostly have fecked up Westeros, and the women have had a horrible time during most of the show under their rule.
Did they establish that Sansa is the designated ruler among the Starks?
No I dont think so, but I think the show has bigger things in mind for Bran. Not sure about Jon Snow though, but since he is a bastard I am not sure, and as the wildling said when he discussed with Sir Onion who he had fought for "Jon is no King".
Deep down I hope that the final episode ends with Jon Snow and Daenerys hooking up for a steaming 10 minutes sex scene after getting married though.
All the time in Fiction.
None of these happened quite like the show but.....
The Battle of Shiloh comes close. Union got their asses kicked on the first day. Reinforcements enabled them to turn the tide on the 2nd day.
I believe several of Napoleon's victories were won by timely reinforcements arriving. And wasn't the final day of Waterloo finally swung irrevocably against the French with the timely arrival of the Prussians?
I seem to remember reading that at several points in the early days of the Battle of Stalingrad timely Soviet reinforcements were needed to prevent German troops from taking key areas that might have swung the battle into the German's favor and possibly changed the outcome.
Yeah, it had that whole saving private ryan type immersion. I felt like i was being crushed myself at times,
Doesn't anyone else think Jon has a right to be, fecking furious with Sansa?
She nags him "we need more troops", Jon says "this is all we have, we have to try", meanwhile on a previous episode she sends a letter to Littlefinger saying "oh btw, I will be needing your Army". Then she hides this from Jon.
Jon leads the houses loyal to the Starks, plus 2000 wildlings into a battle favoring Ramsay 3:1 because he doesn't think he has a choice. Then, after the wildlings and the loyal houses are slaughtered, naught but a few hundred left, Sansa arrives at the head of the Reaches army with Littlefinger.
So, she basically sacrificed Jon, though he survived, the Wildlings and the houses loyal to house Stark, needlessly. The fact that the Reach is coming doesn't have to change Jon's tactics. He can still keep their presence hidden, delay the engagement until they are in place, and then move. Boom, 3,000 cavalry sweep in unannounced and Jon still has his army, or at least he has the knowledge and the choice of how to work with the Reach.
What Sansa did, ya, she's learning the "game", but she did that to someone she believes is family. One of the most despicable and selfish acts in the entire series.
She nags him "we need more troops", Jon says "this is all we have, we have to try", meanwhile on a previous episode she sends a letter to Littlefinger saying "oh btw, I will be needing your Army". Then she hides this from Jon.
Jon leads the houses loyal to the Starks, plus 2000 wildlings into a battle favoring Ramsay 3:1 because he doesn't think he has a choice. Then, after the wildlings and the loyal houses are slaughtered, naught but a few hundred left, Sansa arrives at the head of the Reaches army with Littlefinger.
So, she basically sacrificed Jon, though he survived, the Wildlings and the houses loyal to house Stark, needlessly. The fact that the Reach is coming doesn't have to change Jon's tactics. He can still keep their presence hidden, delay the engagement until they are in place, and then move. Boom, 3,000 cavalry sweep in unannounced and Jon still has his army, or at least he has the knowledge and the choice of how to work with the Reach.
What Sansa did, ya, she's learning the "game", but she did that to someone she believes is family. One of the most despicable and selfish acts in the entire series.
Don't forget Dorne.... Wait a minute, forget what I said I want to forget Dorne.
It's not like LF emailed her an ETA or that she even knew that the raven made it to him.
Surely she could have told Jon that she could get an army though.
Why did she hide it from him? I don't get why Jon would be against it.
You want to forget but you need the bad poosy.
On whether or not Sansa is pregnant...
I don't think she'd say that if she was carrying the spawn of satan.
She arrived at the battle at the head of the Knights of the Vale. Ravens, are actually like email. They didn't show the reply, or LF getting it, because that shatters whatever suspense there may be.
It seemed pretty obvious to me, that Sansa was trying to delay Jon in the prelude to the battle, but she wasn't willing to let her secret out. She knew the Knights were coming. She knew they were close. She met Littlefinger at Moletown FFS. The Knights were in the north already.
She deliberately hid that information from Jon, and hoped that he would decide to delay.
She's playing the game, holding her cards close to her chest, but she doesn't seem to understand there is a time to hold them, and there is a time to let your closest ally, your brother, know that he doesn't have to charge into battle.
Here is the other thing, by the time the battle began, the Knights were going to be at most, a few miles away. This means, that at the very, VERY least, if Sansa hadn't known, she knew a couple of days before the battle. How else would she end up showing up at the head of the army, that did not approach from the direction of their camp, but came from the side, and most likely came from the side due to the fact Winterfel was in their path of march. They had to go around it. This means, that Sansa not only was in contact with Littlefinger, but she had time to leave camp after the Jon and the warriors left, ride to meet up with Littlefinger, and then go to the battle.
If Sansa had not known, then Littlefinger would have arrived by himself, from the direction he came from, with the Vale Knights, OR, he would have moved past Winterfel, past the battle, found Sansa at the camp, and then ridden back to the battle with Sansa, and he would have arrived from a direction BEHIND Jons forces.
She knew. Any way you want to slice it or spin it, she knew. If they make it out to sound like she didn't know in the next episode, then there are all the issues I just listed to reconcile. Basically it would be idiotic to suggest she didn't know.
Potential plot hole: Sansa rode off before Ramsay mentioned his dogs not having eaten for seven days.
Nobody is out of the woods when Little finger is around...
That has ruined the show for me. Poor writing. Sack them all.
Jon could have told him during their post battle small talk.
@Nucks
I don't know.
Maybe she took off once she saw Jon going suicidal, maybe she saw them coming from behind and met them halfway, maybe she wasn't actually behind the carnage, because that random 3m wall of dead people which blocked the loyalist's retreat also denied her vision.
What I don't see is a logical reason why she wouldn't tell Jon if she was sure.
First of all either he dies (which I assume wasn't on her agenda) or he's going to find out anyway. Secondly why sacrifice the most loyal men (those who stood true to their oath, even when she looked like losing) in battle instead of waiting?
I don't know.
Maybe she took off once she saw Jon going suicidal, maybe she saw them coming from behind and met them halfway, maybe she wasn't actually behind the carnage, because that random 3m wall of dead people which blocked the loyalist's retreat also denied her vision.
What I don't see is a logical reason why she wouldn't tell Jon if she was sure.
First of all either he dies (which I assume wasn't on her agenda) or he's going to find out anyway. Secondly why sacrifice the most loyal men (those who stood true to their oath, even when she looked like losing) in battle instead of waiting?
The feck? Nucks and Doob discuss the same stuff in both the threads?
Well technically, her line was not "You told me you did not feed them for 7 days" it was just "You said you had not fed them for 7 days." So do we assume it is a plot hole or do we assume that perhaps she was told by someone else and that was why Ramsey was already tied up in the kennel.
Though having watched that scene again, why have none of the nitpickers gotten upset that the dogs conveniently waited until Sansa and Ramsey were done talking to eat him? I mean he was in there, gates open, they could have eaten him up the moment he was put there.
Finally! Somebody feckin' gets it.
And it still isn't it.
Comparing the writing in this episode to anything Michael Bay has ever done just shows both of you know nothing!
1 question.
Among all the carnage I didn't fully understand.
Did Tormund get his men to retreat?
Among all the carnage I didn't fully understand.
Did Tormund get his men to retreat?
they advanced in another direction, but that just led to everyone getting pinned against the wall of bodies
Can someone please explain to me why nobody created Wun Wun a weapon? Even a club made of wood or just give him a fecking tree. He'd have wiped out half an army.
I thought he saw the best way out was fighting behind them and helping Jon and co rather than running into a wall and being picked off. At that point he had nothing to lose but was his best option.
I thought he saw the best way out was fighting behind them and helping Jon and co rather than running into a wall and being picked off. At that point he had nothing to lose but was his best option.
Someone who gets it
Going to go back and watch the Mance Rayder attack on the wall, he had several Giants with him, so will check to see if they carried any weapons.
EDIT: Yup one of the giant feckers had a giant bow. So yeah tiny detail, left out for dramatic use. Though even without a club he probably could have kicked a sizeable hole in the phalanx before they could kill him. But oh well, sometimes you just have to sit back and enjoy the story without looking each week for something to complain about, otherwise why watch at all?
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I remember one of them had a giant bow and used it to shoot someone on top of the wall.
Also in Hardhome the giant used a pole or something like that as a weapon. Don't remember what it was exactly.
Also in Hardhome the giant used a pole or something like that as a weapon. Don't remember what it was exactly.