This makes perfect sense, will almost certainly happen. They have to, otherwise what was the fecking point of them (besides killing a random lannister no-one gave two fecks about.)
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I liked that. Kinda how I'd imagine the Joker would if he was getting beaten to death. Thought it'd be a brilliant way to go out with a smile on his face instead of him crying like a bitch.
I think he liked it a little, whether he dug the pain or the fact that he felt he had made Jon lose control.
I liked Jon shaking him mid-beatdown to stop him passing out.
I find Dany's attempts at politics utterly hilarious. She tells the slaveowners that slavery is no more and predictably it turns into a total mess. Then she informs the Greyjoys that the Iron Islands' raids and piracy will stop once she's in charge. The fact that it's been their way of life for centuries and is their only source of income doesn't factor in her plans for whatever utopian empire she's planning to create. What's next, I wonder?
Good thing she's got dragons handy, otherwise people would be laughing in her face on a regular basis.
Good thing she's got dragons handy, otherwise people would be laughing in her face on a regular basis.
I can understand some people won't think it was perfect and might nitpick a few things but if you genuinely did not enjoy that episode then you're watching the wrong show. It was superb.
When did Jon Snow make his transformation into this incredible warrior and swordsman? Must have somehow missed that as I've always thought of him as being more than capable, but certainly not the baddest dude in all of Westoros.
So what you're saying is; an authoritarian leader is essential to the creation of a utopian society?
No, I meant whatever great intentions she had in mind when making those decisions, her ideas have little or nothing to do with reality, thus she's attempting to create something that's not realistic, a utopian state.
Oh for sure. It's just said directors modus operandi is great to watch. You know with him you're going to be in for a treat, juxtapose him with Mark Mylod and you dread his episodes.
He's not an incredible warrior, what we get from his character development throughout the whole show is that he shares the Starks' principles in life (which vary from sheer integrity to life costing stubbornness) and that he's good at galvanizing people into action.
He is a bad tactician and a bad commander too as he fell right into Ramsay's trap and if it wasn't for the Knights of the Vale, he would have been responsible for making his men charge first and therefore be led to slaughter just to protect him. And i believe that we saw him more times getting saved at the last moment than taking on a whole army by himself in the last episode. He was also very lucky last season in the battle against the White Walkers.
Anyway, that's how i saw it.
Unlike most on the battlefield he was trained to battle since he was a little kid. If we are drawing comparisons between GoT and the actual medieval world, all those warriors that he faced today were mostly armored peasants who had hardly been in a fight before. Jon has been doing this his whole life - and Ned was one of the best swordsmans in the realm, so he definitely taught him some things. Plus the Lord of Light protection, if you believe in such things.
If he'll fight one of Clegaines somehow, it will be a different story
TBF, his tactics werent too bad, but his execution went to shit as soon as he saw what happened to Rickon. they wanted to draw out Ramsay, but Ramsay one upped him and turned the tables on him. Ramsay had a plan even if it meant sacrifice some of his own.
He has been lucky though, he just about got away from the White Walkers last season (the surprise of his sword killing one was great).
The Wall he managed to hold them off for a day, but if it wasnt for Stannis, he would have ultimately lost due to the numbers. I like his progression.
Also some people are forgetting about Bran when saying Rickon is the last stark male blood.
He has been lucky though, he just about got away from the White Walkers last season (the surprise of his sword killing one was great).
The Wall he managed to hold them off for a day, but if it wasnt for Stannis, he would have ultimately lost due to the numbers. I like his progression.
Also some people are forgetting about Bran when saying Rickon is the last stark male blood.
I do wonder how they (The Sands or whatever theyre called) feel about Targeryens. Cos the story is the one who was married to Oberyns sister ran away / kidnapped Neds sister. So betrayer? Hmmm will be interesting.
Well that was a very predictable Bastards battle but a very good episode none the less.
Just assume someone else told her. Especially since when she asked where he was, he was already tied up in the kennels, so the plan to feed him to the dogs does not seem to be hers.
They are hardly going to show her saying,"Have him moved from the dungeon to the kennels." It would ruin the "surprise " although I had already called it myself.
That entire episode was nothing but fan service!
Sansa Stark has turned ice cold, and I love it.
so brace yourself. Someone we like will undoubtedly die in next episode.
Sansa Stark has turned ice cold, and I love it.
Yeah I was thinking one of the two is going to happen - either Ghost is coming out of those doors or its his own dogs.
Definitely not one of Khaleesi, Sansa or Jon. So I really dont care if anyone else is gone.
That first part of the fight was mostly against dismounted horsemen right? Was not till the end that Ramsey sent in his infantry. Or did I miss the rabble of peasants charging in right behind Ramsey's horsemen? I probably missed them.
That... was feckin' brilliant.
IF you didn't enjoy that, you're dead inside.
IF you didn't enjoy that, you're dead inside.
Btw, regarding tactical advantage - it's interesting that Jon Snow knows feck all about it (obligatory wink to Yggrite) and Ramsey is using his interpretation of Macedonian phalanx, which is a pretty genius move in a world where no one knows any war tactics (well, maybe Stannis knew as he was the greatest commander in Westeros). Even though both were raised in a similar conditions
Well it seemed to me he was already tied up in there when she asked where he was, maybe she did have him moved there, maybe not. All on what you want to assume I guess
I wish they'd have flayed him first.
Gonna miss the psychotic batard.
The dragons looked as good as they can do really but I've got to say, I hate when Dany hops aboard. Just looks so stupid.
Bran is still alive.
Best episode so far in the show?
Oh crap, I forgot about him. Agree a bit about Snow not being a bad tactician, but Sansa pretty much warned him that Ramsey is not the sort to fall into traps, but lays them. He's not a great commander if he's going to let emotion get in the way and put the lives of so many at risk by running towards the enemy. It's also not the first time I reckon.
I love the character and her development, but not a fan of the actress. Feels very ordinary.
True.
It makes a difference to the development of Sansa's character though.
You wouldn't want to be her ex!
Killer pussy !
Also, everyone saying it was entirely predictable are doing the show a disservice. One of the big things about Game of Thrones is that it's a show that subverts normal storytelling expectations.
If Ramsay and Snow had had a one vs. one fight and Ramsay won... would anyone have been THAT surprised? If Ramsay's army had won the battle, and Snow and a few men retreated to fight another day, would anyone have been that surprised? I don't think so.
I went into the episode not 100% sure that Jon Snow would survive... which is something the show has earned over time.
If Ramsay and Snow had had a one vs. one fight and Ramsay won... would anyone have been THAT surprised? If Ramsay's army had won the battle, and Snow and a few men retreated to fight another day, would anyone have been that surprised? I don't think so.
I went into the episode not 100% sure that Jon Snow would survive... which is something the show has earned over time.
You're right, if we continue with the historical parallel, horseman should be well-trained. Well, I guess we should stick with the Red God protecting him in that case
Yeah, just realized it after reading Sylar's post.
Best battle scene probably. Don't remember blackwater too much and Hardhome was not as exciting as this for me.
Good point.
Good doggies.
Brilliant episode, the battle from Jon's perspective was shot fantastically.
Although I have a complain - why the feck didn't Sansa tell Jon that she already summoned the army of the Vale? It's not like it was a surprise to us (or to anyone bar the bastards, really) - we already saw her writing a letter in the last episode. It would've, I don't know, save a few thousands lives or her loyal supporters? I guess it's wasn't worth it, better be a spoiled child and run away without saying anything.
Too bad that Ramsey and Wumwum had to die
Yeah, I don't know why she didn't tell him either (I don't buy that she didn't know if they'd help or not... Baelish specifically told her they would) ... I hope it's not something they gloss over in the next episode. Hundreds(Thousands?) of Jon's men died and he should be pretty miffed about it.
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I think so.
Sansa's repeated complaints about their numbers being too low, and Ramsey's wicked mind, coupled with the letter she wrote, made it pretty obvious how it was going to pan out.
The plot was alright. What was fun was how it was shot/directed IMO.,
That's true, but predicting that the Knights of the vale would somehow save Snow's ass is not meant to be seen as disservice either. The show had set it up a while back and it always pointed towards a Stark win. It would have been surprising if Snow's army had won without Littlefingers help or if Ramsay had won with Littlefingers helping Snow as well but both those don't really make sense from the story telling point of view.
As long as it makes sense for the story and is not something done for the "wow factor", I'm happy with predictability or surprise.
It will also be nice to see Sansa's reaction when Littlefinger tells her that he wants to marry her...
Yeah I was not sure that Snow would survive, whether that was with or without another Red Witch revival I was not sure either. I figured at some point the Army of the Vale would show up, part of me wondered if it would be after the battle and they would just clean up the leftovers of the victorious but badly mauled Bolton Army.
Had dozens of scenario's that went through my mind over the last few weeks. Ghost ripping Ramsey's dogs apart. Ramsey getting killed by Ghost. The Army of the Vale, wiping both Armies out. The White Walker Army showing up and causing the North to rally behind Jon Snow, when Ramsey shit his pants and ran for the south. The White Walker Army showing and scattering EVERYONE. A Bolton victory. A Bolton defeat. Complete Northern rebellion against the Bolton's. And many more.