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Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended
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Folk enjoy deus ex machinas, so it's not a big deal. I'm sure they could've written it out but it wouldn't be as much fun...would it.
He'd have gotten away with it n'all if it wasn't for those pesky Stark kids!
It was predictable but then again very unpredictable
After Sansa warning him about being gullible Jon goes ahead and walks straight into Ramseys plan - though the battle seen encapsulated the chaos of the situation well
What a great character Ramsey was... a bastard who lived up to his name
After Sansa warning him about being gullible Jon goes ahead and walks straight into Ramseys plan - though the battle seen encapsulated the chaos of the situation well
What a great character Ramsey was... a bastard who lived up to his name
Since we knew the army was coming one way or another, ever since Sansa sent the Raven, it wasn't Deus ex machina.
Do Sex Machina was great by the way
I think people say Deus Ex Machina just to try and sound intelligent.
The Sansa/Baeylish negotiations were shown quite explicitly. There was little fanfare about it, but everything was presented to the viewer if you paid attention.
Sansa only told Bolton he'd die the next day after seeing the direwolf head. That's clear character motivation. And we all know Littlefinger is going to start making demands pretty soon. Out of the frying pan, into the fire. It's hardly a LOTR style deus ex machina. It's a meaningful turning point in the plot which sets up further conflict.
The Knights' late arrival makes sense given the timing of Sansa riding off to get them.
Sansa only told Bolton he'd die the next day after seeing the direwolf head. That's clear character motivation. And we all know Littlefinger is going to start making demands pretty soon. Out of the frying pan, into the fire. It's hardly a LOTR style deus ex machina. It's a meaningful turning point in the plot which sets up further conflict.
The Knights' late arrival makes sense given the timing of Sansa riding off to get them.
I was really impressed by the mise en scène.
Jon would have told her then, when they tied him up.
So you think Sansa rode off to Littlefinger the day before the battle? I still think that it doesn't make sense for her to say nothing and let her only truly loyal men get slaughtered. To me it seemed like a lucky conincindence that LF showed up just in time. At least from Sansa's pov (as I wouldn't put it past him to wait until the fight was all but lost in order to increase his bargaining power).
It wasn't exactly an unexpected twist, but I think it didn't seem that unlikely either.
Oh yeah, and Wun Wun bothered me a lot, too. I mean why let that GIANT basically cuddle with the enemy instead of giving him even the most primitive of weapons and he can only tickle the Bolton's shield wall but he obliterates a fortified gate in a couple of seconds
That and his death seemed a bit forced to me.
Sansa is sat next to LF as his army rides past and into battle.So you think Sansa rode off to Littlefinger the day before the battle? I still think that it doesn't make sense for her to say nothing and let her only truly loyal men get slaughtered. To me it seemed like a lucky conincindence that LF showed up just in time. At least from Sansa's pov (as I wouldn't put it past him to wait until the fight was all but lost in order to increase his bargaining power).
It wasn't exactly an unexpected twist, but I think it didn't seem that unlikely either.
Oh yeah, and Wun Wun bothered me a lot, too. I mean why let that GIANT basically cuddle with the enemy instead of giving him even the most primitive of weapons and he can only tickle the Bolton's shield wall but he obliterates a fortified gate in a couple of seconds
That and his death seemed a bit forced to me.
Snow refused to listen to her. Going behind his back was her only option. Jon would have stopped her otherwise.
We were finally treated to an episode that went the way everybody wanted. That Dragon rampage was something I was craving since season 1. And the battle for Winterfell was shot exceptionally IMO. Reminded me of the one at the beginning of Gladiator. Funny thing, after last week's episode I was thinking that the most fitting dead for Ramsey would be to get eaten by his own dogs. However today, still in awe from the scenes that unfolded beforehand I had forgotten that, and was actually surprised when the first dog walked into the cell. I guess that's the effect of a brilliantly executed TV show.
The only thing that I slightly nervous about, is that there is one more episode left.
The only thing that I slightly nervous about, is that there is one more episode left.
Not really sure where the Stark storyline goes now. Jons not going to lead his men south to take out the Freys when they're no real threat to him (unless the Freys and Lannisters team up again and head north).
So are they just going to chill out at Winterfell to wait for the white walkers to arrive?
So are they just going to chill out at Winterfell to wait for the white walkers to arrive?
Honestly, there's going to be a bit of something in almost any scene that happens in the show. And people are gonna pick at that and whinge and moan. What can you do.
Ramsey scene was great. While I was satisfied with Joffrey's death, something about Ramsey felt more sinister, his death was much more comforting.
Even his comment 'is this where I'll be staying now?' to Sansa when he was all tied up was great.
He was just an awesomely acted bad guy. They've really case two talented actors for the two most wicked characters in Ramsay and Joffrey... I imagine both of them would cop abuse walking down the street they were so good.
Are the deus ex machina people taking the piss?
It isn't being pedantic. It just wasn't one.
And they didn't do a crap job at all. They did it in a way that avoided a DEM moment due to Sansa sending the raven in an earlier episode,
I (and everyone I know) have found it riveting and well paced. After all it is medieval war, tits and dragons. What do you expect?
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What a brilliant episode. It certainly makes up for the couple of filler types during the season. Like others have mentioned, although you could see some of the plot details coming a mile off, the way it was shot was absolutely amazing.
Much like Arya killing plain Jane whilst mortally wounded, I thought Jon dodging all those arrows whilst his fellow warriors were slain around him like flies was a bit OTT. Still loved it though, every second was so intense.
Finally, seeing RB getting his comeuppance was just I had to rewind it a couple of times just to take in the satisfaction. They do know how to take revenge in this show.
Expecting someone important to die soon though but this makes it all worth it! I feel so relieved after that.
Much like Arya killing plain Jane whilst mortally wounded, I thought Jon dodging all those arrows whilst his fellow warriors were slain around him like flies was a bit OTT. Still loved it though, every second was so intense.
Finally, seeing RB getting his comeuppance was just
I had to rewind it a couple of times just to take in the satisfaction. They do know how to take revenge in this show.Expecting someone important to die soon though
but this makes it all worth it! I feel so relieved after that.Are the deus ex machina people taking the piss?
Filler comments.
Bottle posts.
Severe lack of character development in this post.
According to IMDB Daniel Craig was in the episode.
The next cnut villain is going to be the High Sparrow. Mark my words. He's already annoying and a bit of a bastard, but it wouldn't surprise me if he's secretly some sort of sadistic sexual deviant in his alone time.
I'm guessing he'll be given most of the finale to develop his cnutery so we spend a year frothing at the mouth waiting for his death.
I'm guessing he'll be given most of the finale to develop his cnutery so we spend a year frothing at the mouth waiting for his death.
It's somewhat odd Ramsay targeted him, when he could've just killed Jon there and then.
Yara and Dany to make out in the finale please.
After such a satisfying episode, I'm convinced that episode 10 is going to be far less satisfying. There's literally nobody at Kings landing I give a shit about so it won't be a big deal if any of them die, the only thing I can think is that it will all go wrong and the High Sparrow and that nun with a face like a slapped arse will consolidate their power and continue with their annoying goals...
There's not really any way I can see a load of great satisfying action happening and then setting up for something next season.
Sorry, but lacking basic observation skills doesn't make it a dues ex machina, Sansa wrote a letter, that was obviously to Littlefinger. There were two possible options. The Blackfish, and Littlefinger. She sent Brienne to the Blackfish, through a process of elimination.
1) Sansa says we need more men.
2) Jon says this is all we've got.
3) They exhausted their search for loyalists.
4) She writes a letter to one of the two men I mentioned.
5) She had already sent Brienne to one of them.
6) If she sent it to the Blackfish, you would think he would have known about Brienne, or Sansa. Hence, proof she didn't send it to him.
7) Littlefinger already offered her the knights of the vale as HER army.
8) She met him in FECKING MOLETOWN, which is about 6 miles or something form the Wall.
8) If the bird didn't make it, they would have shown it not making it, otherwise pointless scene.
9) Dots are not connected for you but the bread crumbs are there.
10) OMG DUES EX MACHINA = you weren't paying attention.
Omg, such a fan boi.
The connotation of DEM in American must mean something different in English.
I expect better writing. The previous episode 8 was panned by everyone. Arya somehow healed enough to jump off buildings whilst being chased by the Terminator? They've fouled up Dorne and Bravos that they've spent so much time on, among other story arcs. The further they get away from GRRM the more crap it gets.
It's going from True Detective series 1 to True Detective series 2.
It's Always Sunny in Westeros...
I don't speak American
It also means the same in all languages. If an event isn't expected or couldn't be anticipated is an important element of it being DEM. If Sansa hadn't been seen sending the message by raven or Littlefinger hadn't set up using the army then maybe. But it was all set up and I was waiting for them to arrive.
They really haven't. Some people seem to think character and plot development is filler that is all. Plus book readers are upset that things have been adapted/changed and that we are now beyond the books.
Yet it has been the most compulsive viewing of any GOT series so far. Go figure.
It really isn't.
I wouldn't say Littlefinger and The Vale turning up was exactly a deus ex machina given that it was hinted at before, but the timing was extremely convenient wasn't it? I suppose that makes for a better battle, but it's a bit lazy. Also, if Sansa knew they were coming why on earth would she not tell Jon? She let him go off into a battle with half as many troops, keeping a feck load of mounted cavalry a secret for some reason?
Even in America that was not a deus ex machina
Ramsey likes to punish and hurt people.It's somewhat odd Ramsay targeted him, when he could've just killed Jon there and then.
Yara and Dany to make out in the finale please.
They were not there until they were there. Timing is everything. Every single resolution can't be some shock ending otherwise it becomes a parody having to come up with bigger shock moments every season. People been crying for this battle all season long, now they want to bitch about there being no huge twist.
I wonder why no one mentions 'The Watchers on the Wall' up there with Blackwater, Hardhome and BotB. It was equally brilliant.
Cersei did mention to her more than once that her face will be the last thing she sees before she dies. And the high sparrow must be one of the most annoying characters in the show with his reeking dirty dress. Everything about him annoys me, even the way we can hear him breathe after he finishes a sentence. Can't wait for them all to die.
Loved that. I do agree with some people that the bit with Jon, Tormund and Wun Wun all running after Ramsay as he retreated to the castle was a bit silly. It took me a bit out of the immersion after such an incredible scene with Jon being crushed just before that. It just seem just a bit silly and cartoonish for a show that has often avoided common tropes.
Overall it was fantastic and gripping though. The scene where the two armies collided with Jon in the middle was incredible and I found myself cheering out loud at times which I don't often do with shows.
Overall it was fantastic and gripping though. The scene where the two armies collided with Jon in the middle was incredible and I found myself cheering out loud at times which I don't often do with shows.