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I think so.

Sansa's repeated complaints about their numbers being too low, and Ramsey's wicked mind, coupled with the letter she wrote, made it pretty obvious how it was going to pan out.

The plot was alright. What was fun was how it was shot/directed IMO.,

More surprised perhaps, but not Red Wedding levels of shock surely? Yes the episode played out more or less how I thought it would (and I'm glad it did, as it was the best way for it to pan out with all the plot threads that were going into it) but just like @JustAFan , I had plenty of other scenarios whirling through my head too over what might happen, which I think is to the shows credit.

Like, I thought the Vale army would show up to save the day, but part of me also wondered whether Littlefinger would purposefully show up late so he could take Winterfell for himself.
 
Jon dying so soon after being brought back to life would have made his presence this season completely pointless.
 
Anyway, I think we can all agree that the biggest missed opportunity of the episode was Little Accents not brandishing a sword when he showed up with Sansa, and marching down with the army whilst shouting "CHARGE ME HEARTY'S! YARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR"
 
That's true, but predicting that the Knights of the vale would somehow save Snow's ass is not meant to be seen as disservice either. The show had set it up a while back and it always pointed towards a Stark win. It would have been surprising if Snow's army had won without Littlefingers help or if Ramsay had won with Littlefingers helping Snow as well but both those don't really make sense from the story telling point of view.

As long as it makes sense for the story and is not something done for the "wow factor", I'm happy with predictability or surprise.
Exactly. Littlefinger announced that plan back in the middle of season 5 in King's Landing to Cersei, when it was Roose vs Stannis. In the meantime, the players changed and there was the matter of Sansa being freed but in the end, Littlefinger carried out the plan that he announced.
 
I thought that it was funny that while they were running The Bolton men had Kite Shields but once they stopped they change for Tower Shields. I know that it was probably easier to run with the kite shields but it just looked odd.
 
Exactly. Littlefinger announced that plan back in the middle of season 5 in King's Landing to Cersei, when it was Roose vs Stannis. In the meantime, the players changed and there was the matter of Sansa being freed but in the end, Littlefinger carried out the plan that he announced.
Yes I think it was always his plan to come in a mop up half way through the battle.
 
Exactly. Littlefinger announced that plan back in the middle of season 5 in King's Landing to Cersei, when it was Roose vs Stannis. In the meantime, the players changed and there was the matter of Sansa being freed but in the end, Littlefinger carried out the plan that he announced.
Wouldn't be surprised if he ends up winning the GoT in truth.

Btw, is Sansa really pregnant ? What's with the constant references to it ?
 
Great episode.

It was always going to either be Stark slaughter or Littlefinger to the rescue. The whole charm with GoT is that you have no idea which it's gonna be. For all we knew, Littlefinger could have been on Bolton's side. But in 99% of other TV productions, you just know that the good guys will win. That was not the case here(even if the "good" guys eventually won). I felt genuinely uncomfortable seeing the Stark soldiers and wildlings slowly being "squeezed" to death. It was eerily realistic, and would in many ways have been a perfectly dark way to end the battle in GRRM style.

The only part I didn't like was that bloody arrow taking Rickon out. He was going to die anyway, so it didn't affect the plot. I just wish they had done it differently.

Prediction for the season finale(I haven't read the books):

1. Davos will kill Melisandre to avenge Shireen.

2. Cersei will get a ridiculously strict sentence and react by burning King's Landing to the ground(the wildfire).

3. Tommen will die. Most likely in the wildfire.
 
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Surely if Littlefinger wanted to marry Sansa that would mean he'd lose his position as Lord Protector of the Vale? I suppose he'd still have sway over Robin Arryn but none of the Vale forces would have to answer to him.
 
Surely if Littlefinger wanted to marry Sansa that would mean he'd lose his position as Lord Protector of the Vale? I suppose he'd still have sway over Robin Arryn but none of the Vale forces would have to answer to him.

He would become Lord of Winterfell and possibly Warden of the North which is far better for him. At least that was his initial plan back in season 5.

 
From a production and filmmaking standpoint that was hands down some of the best stuff ever committed to film. Period. Scale, technical chops, inventive - magnificent. Should win the relevant Emmys right now.

But, the reason ASOFAI is so reverred is because it isn't all Hollywood and cliches. And that episode's plot points - outside of the glorious direction - could have been written by Michael Bay. And there is no greater insult in entertainment.

We've had 5 seasons of underdog and surprises. The tides gotta turn somehow
 
Sometimes "predictable" is good for the sakes of the storyline making sense. This time it did and didnt harm the story at all. And in terms of predictable, I think this would have been predictable on a forum where every single damn scenario was played out and discussed. A twist for the sake of a twist wasnt needed, it was just a case of a few scenarios ultimately could happen and the most obvious one seemed most likely.

Much like Aryas storyline, every possible way she could survive was discussed. If they went with one of them, somebody would have said "ugh, I knew it". However they went with a way that nobody called, lol, and everybody was "ugh, that didnt make sense"

As has been said in this thread, whilst it was ongoing there were certain situations I thought could play out. When Jon was getting crushed and the music was playing, I was thinking "feck, dont have him crushed now". When Rickon was presented, I was certain he was a goner, then the longer it went on, I thought, shit he has a chance. Then wham, the arrow which we didnt see takes him out.
Same with the Giant, expected him to fall but not be killed (and given time to rest before the Walkers came in).
And when Jon was bashing Ramsays face in, I was hoping he wouldnt just stop and let himself get stabbed or something. And part of me was thinking Sansa will come over and jab a weapon in his eye.

For people who didnt like it, thats up to them. If they want to find stuff to pick up on that made them dislike it or find it cheesy, whatever. I know I enjoyed it and it was one of those episodes where I could feel being different emotions, happiness, relief, uncomfortable, in awe, etc. Just what I wanted from that episode :D
 
Sometimes "predictable" is good for the sakes of the storyline making sense.
That's what I said. :confused:.

Also read that, this is the episode HBO has sent in for this years Emmy's. Hope it gets it as well.
 
The Giant looked unusually bigger at times. Great episode. You saw it coming? well yeah, so did I and it didn't make it any less enjoyable.
 
Badass Sansa might be my new favourite character. Jon's been a little underwhelming since returning, but he looked to be returning to form.
 
Yeah, I don't know why she didn't tell him either (I don't buy that she didn't know if they'd help or not... Baelish specifically told her they would) ... I hope it's not something they gloss over in the next episode. Hundreds(Thousands?) of Jon's men died and he should be pretty miffed about it.
Mentioned it back several weeks ago when she first kept quiet about her secret meeting with Littlefinger how it was foreshadowing either Sansa being manipulated by Littlefinger or her somehow screwing over Jon Snow. Looks like it could be both. Her potential as an evil is enticing.
 
Where's all this talk of Littlefinger wanting to marry Sansa coming from?

He has told Cersei that he wants to become Warden of the North and this can only happen by marrying Sansa (which he also tells Cersei). Furthermore, there was the scene in which he kissed her in the Vale but he didn't get the reaction he was hoping for. You could say she is his weak spot.
 
Much like Aryas storyline, every possible way she could survive was discussed. If they went with one of them, somebody would have said "ugh, I knew it". However they went with a way that nobody called, lol, and everybody was "ugh, that didnt make sense"
It's not comparable. This was realistic (and predictable), Arya's miraculous regeneration was unexplainable and awful, she just ignored multiple gut wounds that would've killed anyone but her - and they certainly didn't fear "I knew it" watchers (because why would they?)
 
He has told Cersei that he wants to become Warden of the North and this can only happen by marrying Sansa (which he also tells Cersei). Furthermore, there was the scene in which he kissed her in the Vale but he didn't get the reaction he was hoping for. You could say she is his weak spot.
Yeah, always knew he had a thing for her but was confused by all the marriage talk. Good to know it wasn't something book-related.
 
It's not comparable. This was realistic (and predictable), Arya's miraculous regeneration was unexplainable and awful, she just ignored multiple gut wounds that would've killed anyone but her - and they certainly didn't fear "I knew it" watchers (because why would they?)

Of course, but what Im saying is that when youre on a forum (like this), you will have every single theory explained, examined and discussed.
For me the "predictable" one is not always the worst idea because its normally the one that makes the most sense. What im saying is Aryas kinda wasnt predictable cos nobody guessed it, but at the same time, it was the one that made the least amount of sense given what we had seen.
 
He has told Cersei that he wants to become Warden of the North and this can only happen by marrying Sansa (which he also tells Cersei). Furthermore, there was the scene in which he kissed her in the Vale but he didn't get the reaction he was hoping for. You could say she is his weak spot.

If you can't have the mother.....have her daughter. The filthy perv.
 
Sansa would kill him if given the chance. She's evilishly evil now

What is all this talk about Sansa being evil?

a) She wanted Winterfell and Rickon back
b) She knew that only plottig with Littlefinger would actually make them win (as proven)
c) Yes, she let the dogs loose on Ramsay, but after what he did to her that is only to be expected, not evil

She is coming of age, and being a bit more cynical. But hardly evil, atleast not in a GoT perspective of Evil.
 
vhat a fecking episode. Holy shyte.

I knew Jon would win / Vale would come. Quite predictable but the way it was executed. Nothing short of brillance.

I still firmly believe that scene with Stannis looking into the flame & Melisandree saying she saw a battle in the snow & Stannis would win. It wasn't Stannis but Jon.

Makes more sense that Jon gets revived & then wins the forseen battle in the snow.

Than Melisandree making a mistake.

I also think maybe the lord was protecting Jon hence why he didn't get 50 arrows to the chest.

Daenarys scene was pretty good.
Love how all three dragons were involved.
One of my favourite episodes. Episode 10 has alot to live up to.
 
What is all this talk about Sansa being evil?

a) She wanted Winterfell and Rickon back
b) She knew that only plottig with Littlefinger would actually make them win (as proven)
c) Yes, she let the dogs loose on Ramsay, but after what he did to her that is only to be expected, not evil

She is coming of age, and being a bit more cynical. But hardly evil, atleast not in a GoT perspective of Evil.

That's evil enough for sansa standard. This is sansa we're talkimg about
 
Might I also add that somehow Daenarys was even hotter in this episode than when she appears nude..

Those enticing facial expressions while sitting on the throne and hashing it out with the Ironborn :drool:
 
Couldn't really give a toss about Rickon but not since Chuck Liddell vs Tito Ortiz has it been so satisfying watching a guy get punched in the face.

The end of that battle was horribly claustrophobic.

Re: the ships. Surely they've got the manpower to build some more themselves on top of what they've got? I mean they've got experts now too. Wonder what will become of Euron and his fleet then? Presumably he will end up fighting against Denarys but will he team up with someone else?
 
They have Really laid the ground work for burning the city to the ground. Last week Jamie brings up that Cersie would do anything for her children even burn the city to the ground. This week Tyrion brings up the caches of wild fire hidden all over King's Landing including under the Sept. I wonder what they are foreshadowing? It's amazing that in early seasons the Foreshadowing was subtle and clever while now they beat you over the head with it.
His bringing up the Sept in particular was a sledgehammer to crack a walnut.
 
What an episode.

Did anyone else struggle to breath when Jon was being crushed? That whole battle was shot incredibly.
 
Might I also add that somehow Daenarys was even hotter in this episode than when she appears nude..

Those enticing facial expressions while sitting on the throne and hashing it out with the Ironborn :drool:

I thought they Yara and Danaerys were about to start banging then and there. My cock was out ready.
 
Sansa channelling Mr. Burns at the end.

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