So it wasn't in any way shape or form a deus ex machina
And feck off with your moaning. It was epic and fun and I loved every minute of it. It's a fantasy series, it's supposed to be romantic and illogical at times.
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So it wasn't in any way shape or form a deus ex machina
And feck off with your moaning. It was epic and fun and I loved every minute of it. It's a fantasy series, it's supposed to be romantic and illogical at times.
Is Sansa preggers with Ramsay's child? Thought he hinted at it before being eaten by the hounds.
Games of feck me Thrones, that was a bloody good episode.
I think she is as well, in The Door episode she said to Littlefinger 'I can still feel what he did to my body' or something along those lines which made me think she was pregnant then. Now after this episode i'm convinced.
Holy shit was that good. Best single episode of GOT for me.
At this rate any deal is worth having...
I'm probably just bitter HBONow service died as soon as the show started and I had to wait over an hour as a massive episode unfolded with reactions online and on Twitter.
Wow. Just. Wow.
I still think the 3 of them running at the castle was comedy, though. Did no one else think it amusing they found each other just as Ramsey was retreating and charged a castle like some sort of low-brow action movie?
Get the feck in! Take that you cnut Ramsey!!! So satisfying. Predictable but satisfying.
Eh, that's a pretty arbitrary moment to pick out. Everyone always turns up at the last second, or comes together at the end. I don't get how that moment is worth mentioning over like, everything else that happened. (Jon riding solo like a madman and not any arrows hitting him, the horses clashing just before he dies, the army turning up just before they lose, Ramsay and Jon getting there 1v1 moment).
It's a drama mate, it's what you get. You get those illogical moments. You get those "That would never happen moments". And you get those cheesier moments. Although to be fair this is probably the closest we've ever came to a Hollywood style moment where it all actually goes well for the good guys, I think the fact that it hardly ever goes well, or you ever get those moments, almost lends it more credence.
No, it was crap writing. The directing was fantastic. Like, elite level.
But some moments inserted felt like I was watching a generic action movie in medieval times and Mel Gibson or Russell Crowe was going to pop up out of nowhere with a giant sword for no fecking reason.
The scene when they were shooting arrows at their own men... was borrowed from which movie?
It was very well directed, definitely one of the best episodes in that regard. On the other hand, nothing really unexpected happened. We knew that Jon would take Ramsay's bait and attack first without any real strategy, we knew that the Boltons' greater numbers would give them a crucial advantage and we knew that Baelish would come to save the day in the end. Nevertheless, it was great TV stuff and the 60 minutes just flew by.
What bothers me is what prevented Sansa from telling Jon that she had the Knights of the Vale on her side? Jon doesn't know Littlefinger or what kind of character he is, he would have gladly accepted the assistance and he would have bought the story of the savior who helped Sansa escape KL and the Lannisters. The only thing i can think of is that she didn't really know if Baelish would come to her aid until the last moment and maybe that's why she argued the night before with Jon about rushing the attack on Winterfell.
My guess is that next season we'll have the Starks and the Freys fighting in the North. Anyway, did anyone notice the mischievous smile on Sansa's face in the final scene? She is her mother's daughter after all. As for the pregnancy question, i believe the writers left hints in the script but they are not quite sure yet if they will go through with it next season.
Dany's scenes were great too and that's always welcome. Cool battle scene with the dragons but for me Tyrion had the best moment. The relief on his face when Dany looked at him to get his approval in order to finalize the deal with the Greyjoys was exhilarating for a character who had been trying all season to make himself useful again.
But in this part of the world the question remains: where the feck is Varys?
What bothers me is what prevented Sansa from telling Jon that she had the Knights of the Vale on her side? Jon doesn't know Littlefinger or what kind of character he is, he would have gladly accepted the assistance and he would have bought the story of the savior who helped Sansa escape KL and the Lannisters. The only thing i can think of is that she didn't really know if Baelish would come to her aid until the last moment and maybe that's why she argued the night before with Jon about rushing the attack on Winterfell.
My guess is that next season we'll have the Starks and the Freys fighting in the North. Anyway, did anyone notice the mischievous smile on Sansa's face in the final scene? She is her mother's daughter after all. As for the pregnancy question, i believe the writers left hints in the script but they are not quite sure yet if they will go through with it next season.
Dany's scenes were great too and that's always welcome. Cool battle scene with the dragons but for me Tyrion had the best moment. The relief on his face when Dany looked at him to get his approval in order to finalize the deal with the Greyjoys was exhilarating for a character who had been trying all season to make himself useful again.
But in this part of the world the question remains: where the feck is Varys?
That's an easy one, Braveheart in the battle of Falkirk.
When Jon was getting trampled, I got so much anxiety. At a concert I felt a similar way when I was surrounded by 6 foot+ guys and I was drowning in the sea of people rushing towards the stage was one of the most frightening experiences in my life.
The director portrayed the battle brilliantly from Jon's perspective, I felt like I was reliving that moment again.
The director portrayed the battle brilliantly from Jon's perspective, I felt like I was reliving that moment again.
I would hate to be some of you lot with the constant need to find something to complain about. 
Though I was kinda expecting it (standard, everybody likes it as soon as it happens, after a while somebody pops in with all these plot holes / predictability). A few agree and then an argument.
What I didnt expect is another feckin idiot to spoil something about a character not even in the show (and the casting). How can this still be happening? ffs
Though I was kinda expecting it (standard, everybody likes it as soon as it happens, after a while somebody pops in with all these plot holes / predictability). A few agree and then an argument.What I didnt expect is another feckin idiot to spoil something about a character not even in the show (and the casting). How can this still be happening? ffs
Yes, this. When I was at the Rage against Machine concert, I was feeling the same after a while and had to crowd surf out of there. It was just a relief doing that.
The one thing I didnt get is why we kept hearing the north remembers, but then those northern families watched Rickon die in front of them and still went to war for Bolton. But that didnt bother me too much once the fight began.
Also wondering where Ghost was. Unless a battle like this is no place for a Direwolf
Next episode speculation:
-Bran getting to the Wall and warging / seeing what happens in the Tower
-Dany + Theon/Yara sailing for Westeros or Theons uncle arriving
-Cersei getting what she was after with Qyburn
-Walkers approaching the wall and possibly bringing it down thanks to Bran
Also with the way Davos went for a walk, I was half expecting him to find something with Stannis daughter and him finding out what happened to her (he still doesnt know fully right?)
-Dany + Theon/Yara sailing for Westeros or Theons uncle arriving
-Cersei getting what she was after with Qyburn
-Walkers approaching the wall and possibly bringing it down thanks to Bran
Also with the way Davos went for a walk, I was half expecting him to find something with Stannis daughter and him finding out what happened to her (he still doesnt know fully right?)
It isn't Deus Ex Machina if it's actually been foreshadowed, set-up, established and makes sense. I'm not sure people understand the meaning of the term.
He found the girl's charred toy stag in a grave/pyre, I think that's sufficient proof. They also showed us Melisandre through his eyes. Probably gonna try to kill her or something
I thought the whole battle of that Bastards was OTT cheesy (how Jon randomly charges at a whole army (unscathed), how there is a convenient 3m wall of bodies to pin them against, how they yolo-charge the castle, etc..), at first I thought it was well directed/produced but after a while it got kinda boring because it just felt like watching random people die for 10 minutes until something actually happens.
What bothered me most was that the Giant didn't have a weapon. Just give him a tree or something and he's gonna wipe out a dozen people with ever swipe.
I think Sansa not telling Jon about her letter to LF makes sense, because she probably isn't even sure if he's gonna come (and even if he was, they have no communication, no idea whether he made it through there or any notion of when he's going to arrive.
He found the wooden animal he made for her in the remains of a fire. They way he looked at her at the end he knows.
People complaining about tonights episode:
I'll tell you what was crap writing - the Premier League this season. What a bunch of romantic, unrealistic bollocks.
That's a decent enough explanation I think. She didn't know Littlefinger would actually come in the first place as he's hardly a trustworthy man of his word, and even if she did, she'd have to lie to Jon about what sort of person Littlefinger is for Jon to agree it.
I think they foreshadowed everything a bit too much. There's no tension when you can see the "they'll be losing and then Littlefinger will arrive and save the day" angle coming from a mile away.
It's more Weiss and Benioff you should be congratulating. Directing a TV show is very unlike a movie were the Director is the whole vision and has his hands in everything. They more are told what is wanted and do what they are told. The legwork and prep is done by Benioff and Weiss. Story boarding, pre-viz and shot list planning happens without the director. Don't get me wrong I think as a director he's done an outstanding job but this isn't a TV version of Jackson and Spielberg.Seriously, Miguel Sapochnik, up there with Cary Fukanaga as two of the best young directors in Hollywood. Just pure, fecking amazing. Both battle were incredible for different reasons. The pure awesomeness of the Dragons reking shit and the claustrophobic nature of the BotB. When the wildlings panic and Jon is suffocating, I honestly felt proper dread and horror.
Can't wait to re-watch it in 1080p.
Again, take a fecking bow Mr. Sapochnik.
I sort of agree. They needed to foreshadow it somehow otherwise people would scream deux-ex-machina. But they it was made too obvious and killed the surprise factor. The did it perfectly with blackwater where they laid down the groundwork for Tywin to march in with the army but never highlighted it as much.
That is the only negative thing I would say about this episode and how they set it up.
Brilliant episode, probably one of my favorites so far. In-fact I've enjoyed the whole season, it's the best one yet in my opinion.
Holy shit! What an episode! As many of said the directing of this episode was amazing! Haven't felt that much tension watching TV ever! Jon Snow was truly a bad ass again but I still felt as if he could die at any moment.
I loved Ramsey, the way he was so smug calling Jon Snow a basterd cracked me up. Great death scene for him, the way the hound just bit his face, just brilliant.
One of the best GOT episodes. Lived up to all expectations and very satisfying.
I loved Ramsey, the way he was so smug calling Jon Snow a basterd cracked me up. Great death scene for him, the way the hound just bit his face, just brilliant.
One of the best GOT episodes. Lived up to all expectations and very satisfying.
That was one of the best battle scenes I've ever seen. It felt like you were being trampled with Jon. I even had to take a deep breath when he got up haha
For those interested in production details of that battle scene:
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/06/19/game-thrones-battle-director
600 extras, 25 days, 10 hours a day
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/06/19/game-thrones-battle-director
600 extras, 25 days, 10 hours a day
Holy feck
Brilliant episode, the battle from Jon's perspective was shot fantastically.
Although I have a complain - why the feck didn't Sansa tell Jon that she already summoned the army of the Vale? It's not like it was a surprise to us (or to anyone bar the bastards, really) - we already saw her writing a letter in the last episode. It would've, I don't know, save a few thousands lives or her loyal supporters? I guess it's wasn't worth it, better be a spoiled child and run away without saying anything.
Too bad that Ramsey and Wumwum had to die Both were among my favorites.
Although I have a complain - why the feck didn't Sansa tell Jon that she already summoned the army of the Vale? It's not like it was a surprise to us (or to anyone bar the bastards, really) - we already saw her writing a letter in the last episode. It would've, I don't know, save a few thousands lives or her loyal supporters? I guess it's wasn't worth it, better be a spoiled child and run away without saying anything.
Too bad that Ramsey and Wumwum had to die
Both were among my favorites.Brilliant episode, the battle from Jon's perspective was shot fantastically.
Although I have a complain - why the feck didn't Sansa tell Jon that she already summoned the army of the Vale? It's not like it was a surprise to us (or to anyone bar the bastards, really) - we already saw her writing a letter in the last episode. It would've, I don't know, save a few thousands lives or her loyal supporters? I guess it's wasn't worth it, better be a spoiled child and run away without saying anything.
Too bad that Ramsey and Wumwum had to die
To be fair I think thats actually smart.
She knows Littlefinger and she knows his word means little. Asking him for help, even him promising help, means little. He was just as likely to turn up and fight for the Bolton's if he thought he'd benefit from it (he was after all the person that put Sansa in the situation in the first place).
So I don't think they could base any reliable strategy on the promise of Littlefinger showing up. Of course, the show made it obvious that he would, but I think Sansa keeping her counsel isn't really about not trusting Jon, or anything like that, but rather that she doesn't trust Littlefinger.
What did he say to her exactly? There was one sentence I couldn't make out.
'There's a piece of me inside you now' or words to that effect.
I think it means that Ramsey's ruthlessness as rubbed off on Sansa (e.g. her feeding him to his dogs) but she said something similar earlier in the season, and being pregnant would make sense too.
They don't need to rely on him showing or not showing. If Sansa knows that he is approaching (or at least that he says that he's approaching) they can wait for him and then attack together, eliminating the threat of him dumping them in the most important moment. Jon attacked this early (and I mean the battle, not the actual burst to save Rickon) because he knew that he has no more resources and time works for Ramsey, who is sitting in the castle with food, water and heat. If he was aware of the possible reinforcements he would've planned differently, saving hundreds or even thousands of lives.
She said that she can still feel him inside of her. It would incredibly cringe if both of them were referring to a baby, but it's possible