Lights out, Arya was the only one with experience fighting without sight.
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You are assuming that. One would think all the assassins go through the same training. When Arya was trained on the art of lying, the Waif was shown in a scene being an expert at it. No reason to think she's not trained in fighting in the dark either.
Maybe that's why the man with no name was so pleased with her. She'd finally figured it out. The Waif was never gonna be his servant "and now she is here" and he knew that so he trained arya how to be truly faceless.
Good point!
It's a fecking TV show and not that deep. They made a whole point of Arya cutting the candle, obviously it worked and Arya won.
The waif was not trained to fight in the dark it seems, as evidenced by a stabbed Arya beating her. The only logical reason would be that the waif isn't actually a faceless person or training to be so, but merely a trainer/assistant who is herself has been taught to fight really well. Otherwise there's no reason why she shouldn't have gone through the same "blind" training.
But it's all just really convenient. For example, the faceless man was hoping that in amidst a ruthless attack on her life in broad daylight, Arya would stumble upon a near pitch dark room, and work her "can fight in the dark" mojo? Alright then. And where was the anonymity of this test? They were making a right ruckus in the middle of the market place. Some group of assassins these were. Everyone saw their faces!
The whole chase scene was a right mess.
We need a good last 3 episodes now.
Did Daneyres' dragon fly away?! They better not spend an entire episode of her giving a speech and being a diplomatic shit when her dragons could probably roast all the ships inside 5 mins.
Really looking forward to what episode 9 brings
it might be that she doesn't roast the ships instead takes them as her own to sail to Westeros. I wonder if the Dothraki are far behind? They might even have Theon come to save the day & forge an alliance with her. But I don't want the entirety of episode 9 to be about her. Would be a borefest.
Really looking forward to what episode 9 brings
I'm expecting either a big battle (preferably Jon v Ramsey) or a big death (I'm guessing Ramsey if the battle happens). Or if we got to see the White walkers again, I'd settle for that. Just please don't spend an entire episode on Mereen & Daneryes - unless she's going to get her tits out again.
Didn't we hear them flying/making noise outside while hero made her entry?
There's two episodes left, not three.
Ah feck.
Flayed then burned to death - possibly after being raped by Ramsey - because they have to try and shock a bit more each time
I heard/saw 1 of them but I wasn't sure if it was flying away or attacking the ships. I think the other 2 are still locked up, although not chained?
I dont think Ive ever disliked a character in any show ever more than Greyworm
What are the chances he will die?
What are the chances he will die?
Yeah this season has kinda sucked on a whole regarding that. The previous seasons were hardly so superficial. A lot of the first few seasons seemed to be captured in such great detail.
I wonder if they should just stop with Season 6 and then wait till all the books are out. With no source material, these guys seem to be doing a terrible job.
Based on what I've seen on Facebook, Twitter and the like it seems to be the case that most people don't think they're doing a terrible job. Only the people who actively discuss the show in detail on forums - probably the minority of viewers.
If there was a realistic timetable for that then it may be an option... but Im not sure waiting the 10 years or so till the last book is out (if he ever finishes it / lives that long) is commercially viable - or practically - dannys baps might look like (old) melisandre by then
Yeah, I guess it's possible that would the general opinion unless people go discuss it further. I just read some interviews about the show which made me think they were doing a terrible job. Can't mention it here though, spoiler policy and all!
From what I understand, I think the 6th book is set to release sometime this year (He wanted to finish it before the season aired, but kept getting postponed). So yeah, it will take a while for the whole series to be complete. So I guess it won't happen.
This season has been really good IMO, a big step up from 5th, and if we get 2 amazing episodes (entirely plausible with the things that still need to happen) to finish it off it will be one of my favourites.
Not sure why things like "how could Arya beat the Waif" are over analysed? They both trained assassins and over the course of this season, it was clear that Arya was getting better and becoming a more skilled assassin/fighter. She's also had blind training and even if the Waif had similar, there was no mention of it and Arya was blind very, very recently.
Yeah she was injured, but she also had an added advantage of bringing a sword, to a knife fight. Plus the dark = not that preposterous an outcome, IMO.
Urrghh, now I've fecking over analysed the scene.
Yeah she was injured, but she also had an added advantage of bringing a sword, to a knife fight. Plus the dark = not that preposterous an outcome, IMO.
Urrghh, now I've fecking over analysed the scene.
I doubt there was specific 'blind training'. Arya lost her sight because she cocked up and then was trained to fight while blind. Maybe the waif never did anything to lose her sight in the first place.
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Who says that everyone who becomes a faceless person goes through the exact same training?
So they fought in the open? Have you watched the show? It is not like people are always pulling out their cellphones to call the police. Plus who knows maybe the Faceless Folk have good connections with the local authorities so even if the Bravos PD got involved, things would be taken care of. Given they can change faces, it would be easy enough to put on a fake face afterwards if needed and disappear into the crowd right/
They are not exactly working with no source material, they have been given the outlines (not sure of how much detail) by GRRM of where he intends the story to go.
Yeah, someone on the thread mentioned that before Season 6 started. But I am just guessing they didn't have any material or very little information for the Arya plot or Dany's plot ? The first one seemed poorly written and the second, saw a lot of rehashing of the same things over and over again and plenty of filler scenes. The stuff in Kings Landing is decent (Though the religious thing can bore a few people) and obviously every one loves what's happened at the Wall and Bran's storyline is my favourite by far. Next season will a proper test of how good the writers are to be honest.
Ah right. The old "I'll show my real face to everyone while I make a scene in public" trick people who like to keep themselves anonymous pull off. I know you cant take any criticism of the show show, evidently given you're so defensive over really poor episodes, but the "have you watched the show" is a bit rich. Yeah, they were chasing each other and jumping/falling in the middle of a busy street. Or did you not watch that bit? (lolz)
Well they don't have the book full of details, but they would have the basic storyline of where the characters are meant to be going and what will happen to/with them along the way
LOL, I just provided an alternative explanation and pointed out that the world in which the show takes place , that people would be no strangers to seeing fights with bladed weapons etc. yes I noticed they were chasing each other through a busy city, so what? No need to get all precious and sensitive because you over analyze or fail to understand so much in the show.
I don't understand the hate for the HS. He might manipulate to get his way but his motives are probably the most moral of any leader i.e. I want power to overthrow the systems and help the poor (99% of the population) who are all in massive poverty compared to the <1% nobles. Better him to rule than Denaerys (with her raping and pillaging Dothraki) and definitely better than Euron or Cersei.As a viewer, yesBut I somewhat understand why hes doing what hes doing . Hes not a total maniac like his older brother was and he believes what hes doing is right even if hes being manipulated. Actually probably by two people (high sparrow and Marge).
I think @JustAFan theory at the top of the page is a good one though. It really is a good way to stay one up but be legit.
Btw, I don't know what happens with Cersei so don't accuse me of giving away any plotlines. Below is just my speculation:
There has been so much foreshadowing that Cersei would "burn cities to the ground for her children" and when combining that with Brans visions of the wildfire exploding under the red keep, I can definitely see her blowing everyone to high hell in episode 10. Her last interaction with Tommen also hinted to me that she kind of expects Tommen to die as she was no where near as protective or caring compared to previous episodes. She herself talks about the witch's prophecy coming true not long ago. She also says to Jamie her and Jamie are the only ones that matter when Jamie starts talking about Tommen. I think it's really likely she will go mental in the final episode at least.
Jamie stabs her in the back to stop (like the mad king) when she goes full on "burn them all"
At the end of the day it is a pretty common movie, TV show, etc. thing to happen, the hero wins. Now in GoT the "hero" doesn't always win, and sometimes the writers can't decide if someone is to be a cnut or hero, Jaime (but then again maybe that is not so bad, since history is full of people who were a bit of both). Riverrun was a bit off to say the least, not sure what the real point was other than to get Jamie out of Kings Landing for now and to bring him and Brienne together for one scene. Seems a bit of a dead end. But we shall have to wait and see where the story goes to see if any of that plays any significance in the future.
You're clearly the one getting all precious and sensitive due to a little criticism of the show you regularly get anal about.
Every scenario has can have a made up "alternate explanation". That's not the point. The question is whether what actually happened on the show was well handled or came across as jarring. Going by this thread, most of this episode seemingly wasn't very well handled. But I suppose it makes more sense to pretend it was great and make up stuff in your head to make it sound better.
Thought of that also, GRRM and the writers of the show do like using the same thing more than once. Then Mountain-stein/Franken-Mountain/Let's see Rick Handle this Zombie, kills Jaime in revenge before the wildfire consume him and Qbert.
Well, yeah. I mean if GRRM told the writers at the start of the season "Arya will try her best to become no one, but she ultimately fails. In the end she goes back to Westeros", it sounds very interesting, but then you see the way they executed it, and it's a little disappointing. Similarly, if he told them "Dany's going take her huge army and march to xyz", it again sounds great, but the execution has been average till now. It feels a little hollow without the source material, especially in terms of Character Development. But then again, Season 5 was considered the weakest by many and that was based on the book, so I might absolutely be in the wrong.
Yeah that would be poetic. It could also be the case that he decides to join Cersei in burning down kings landing and they decide to die together. Jamies story has 2 paths - he either follows Cersei into moral abandon or he follows Brienne's influence into being the decent man that I think he is without his house/Cersei's influence. Jamie's story is turning out to be one of my favourite after starting GoT as one of the most boring.
I didn't know that was a prophecy. Interesting. The show has set it up that it could also be Tyrion during any Denaerys invasion but I would prefer it if Jamie kills her.
This thread isn't exactly the best place to decide if it was very well handled, it's the Caf, everything is apparently a load of old shit on here to some
Arya has been my favourite character since the start of the show so I'm maybe a bit biased when it comes to her storylines. With the chase scene I don't really get what the issue is? Firstly, if you're being chased by a trained assassin, are you really going to think "I best not make a scene and run through a crowded area, I'll tip toe around and take my time so I don't get noticed.", it's a fecking trained assassin. And secondly if you disregard point one, was that not potentially what Arya wanted anyway? She needed to do everything she could to get back to the darkened room and lead the Waif there where she could take advantage and kill her.
It's been a long build but I don't think this entire story has built to nothing. It's been a slow build of Arya's story to show her journey and actually build her into the person she's become.
This thread isn't exactly the best place to decide if it was very well handled, it's the Caf, everything is apparently a load of old shit on here to some
Arya has been my favourite character since the start of the show so I'm maybe a bit biased when it comes to her storylines. With the chase scene I don't really get what the issue is? Firstly, if you're being chased by a trained assassin, are you really going to think "I best not make a scene and run through a crowded area, I'll tip toe around and take my time so I don't get noticed.", it's a fecking trained assassin. And secondly if you disregard point one, was that not potentially what Arya wanted anyway? She needed to do everything she could to get back to the darkened room and lead the Waif there where she could take advantage and kill her.
It's been a long build but I don't think this entire story has built to nothing. It's been a slow build of Arya's story to show her journey and actually build her into the person she's become.
An important thing to remember is that Arya's story since the beheading of Ned Stark began as one of her trying to get back to Winterfell. Only when it appeared to her she had no place else to go did she head to Bravos and even then her entire motivation was to learn to kill well enough to kill those on her list. So her story is still moving on the path it always has been on.
Not exactly. For all it's flaws, this is a pretty great place for discussion. Just because they aren't loving GoT doesn't mean people are miserable with life, or something.This thread isn't exactly the best place to decide if it was very well handled, it's the Caf, everything is apparently a load of old shit on here to some
Arya has been my favourite character since the start of the show so I'm maybe a bit biased when it comes to her storylines. With the chase scene I don't really get what the issue is? Firstly, if you're being chased by a trained assassin, are you really going to think "I best not make a scene and run through a crowded area, I'll tip toe around and take my time so I don't get noticed.", it's a fecking trained assassin. And secondly if you disregard point one, was that not potentially what Arya wanted anyway? She needed to do everything she could to get back to the darkened room and lead the Waif there where she could take advantage and kill her.
It's been a long build but I don't think this entire story has built to nothing. It's been a slow build of Arya's story to show her journey and actually build her into the person she's become.
I agree about Arya. She's a very good character and has been one of my favorite GoT characters since fairly early on. And this journey may well (read: better) be the catalyst to her character achieving big things. The chase scene I found a bit comical. It was really Terminator-like (I frickin' love Terminator btw), with Waif chasing Arya around like T1000 chasing John Connor, except this isn't Terminator and, for me, it was jarring. It didn't help that despite liking the character herself a lot, her story in Bravos had become stale, and not very enjoyable, so you're more wanting this whole thing to end rather than really caring about what is happening.
You didn't know about it because it wasn't in the show. Delete that @sun_tzu please.
Feck's sake, can't leave this thread for 5 minutes without it spoiling something.