Just watching it now. Feck me was I wrong!Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended
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Just watching it now. Feck me was I wrong!Oi! Take that back!
Don't you just want to give him a good kicking though to wake the feck up. I know he's just a kid but still... Why didn't he have that conviction when his mother and wife were imprisoned??
Tommen has cut a deal with the High Sparrow to find Cersei innocent in her trial, the price being that he has to hand over a large part of the Kings power to the High Sparrow? Being found innocent a much better outcome then just getting off because of the Franken Mountain, since it clears her name in the eyes of the religion which can then be used to clear her name amongst the peoples?
They must have used up their budget for that episode with all the blood and guts or saved it for episodes 9 and 10 so Waif and Blackfish got away with off-screen deaths...or perhaps they just couldn't be arsed to think up something creative.
Oi! Take that back!
I am sure she is much nicer in real life
.Just glad the whole thing ended. Was dragging far too long and she seemed a jelly little punk.
I am sure she is much nicer in real life
Just glad the whole thing ended. Was dragging far too long and she seemed a jelly little punk.
They could've wrapped it up a lot better though. With all the build up and cat and mouse stuff, I would have expected a bit of a smack down (hell they did more of that in the training) and a Meryn Trant'esque dispatch!
It wasn't very well written. Victim of its own hype and the endless theories and speculations ruined it. No matter what, it would have disappointed some regardless. The dispatching bit in itself wasn't too bad IMO but they could have just skipped to that directly from the point when Arya was first ambushed instead of dragging it.
I wonder during the week if the writers were seeing all of these mad theories on the internet and thinking, "Oh crap, that idea is waaaaay better than what we actually went with..."
Arya's line is just borderline ridiculous. We all made up unreal stories that allowed her to somehow survive that - all that to find out that one night stand with Lady Crane heals multiple gut wounds which were made by a professional assassin to an extent that she is able to outrun a fully-fit, again, professional assassin and, after a brutal fall down the stairs, she still had powers to kill her trained opponent who used to beat the shit out of her on a daily basis (because she was trained to fight while being blind, what a twist), to take her scalp and to put it into the hall of faces or whatever it was called. Wow.
Even the usual deus ex machina dragon entrance is looking like a complicated and measured plot compared to this.
Even the usual deus ex machina dragon entrance is looking like a complicated and measured plot compared to this.
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Silly episode and agree with the criticism of the way Arya, Blackfish, Tyrion, Riverrun scenes were done - should have been a lot more to it....
Another point im wondering in the wake of the trial by combat being scrapped is how will Margery respond to that given Loras is going down
Another point im wondering in the wake of the trial by combat being scrapped is how will Margery respond to that given Loras is going down
I am more disappointed the way Blackfish got done. And usually I am glad when Dany doesn't say anything, but her sudden appearance saying nothing was well silly. Both Blackfish and that was quite hastily done. I still wasn't in anyway bored of the episode though. The Hound and the bannermen bit was great as was the developments in King's Landing.
As a viewer, yes
But I somewhat understand why hes doing what hes doing . Hes not a total maniac like his older brother was and he believes what hes doing is right even if hes being manipulated. Actually probably by two people (high sparrow and Marge). I think @JustAFan theory at the top of the page is a good one though. It really is a good way to stay one up but be legit.
Hmmm seems the show has gone full Walking Dead. You never go full Walking Dead.
I think they were aiming for a guessing game as far as the Waif goes. On this shows form it could have easily been Arya's face on the wall (and it would have bloody brilliant as well).
And then the Blackfish... A bit harder to explain but I guess he could still be alive?
Dragon bitch is getting very tedious. Hope she falls off her dragon.
Poor episode that, struggling to see why the show has wasted so much time on that Arya Faceless plot. Hardly anything was actually achieved? The Hound was great but Tyrion was awful again, agree that he's turned into one of the worst parts of the show now.
Feck me that's bang on.Hound, Brienne, Bronn, Cercei only redeeming features this week. Maybe Jamie too.
Rampant speculation about next week
So, we've had a couple of downtempo, lowish budget episodes in a row and around now is traditionally the time each series really blows up. Pretty clear we're in for a massive battle next week between Starks and Boltons. My bet is - next episode, it goes somewhat to shite, maybe a couple of people we like die in the battle, Boltons look like they're winning. Then at the end or maybe week after Littlefinger and the Vale show up and save the day, not too many Starks and wildlings left and now they're pretty much stuck under his influence until something happens later (Brotherhood? Vareys linking up with them and telling them about Dany?)
Not much being mentioned of him but does anything think that a big reveal will be that he has been proper fecked up? Would be good for shock factor. How long has he been with Ramsey now? Have we even seen Ramsey since his capture?
I think hes going to die in front of Jon and Sansa just before Ramsay dies.
Im thinking something close to this and maybe that something is the whitewalkers which right now only a few still believe having been the only ones to see it (in fact its only Jons side that believes it, does any other one?)
Really? Some very poor writing in this episode but the show has a long, long, loooong way to fall before it reaches the sloppy diarrhoea level that is The Walking Dead.
Yeah sounds about right. Yeah it's pretty much only Jon's bunch who sees them as anything more than a legend I think. Actually, a cool (plausible?) end to this season would be the walkers coming within sight of the wall, would set things up in a big way for the next
Im thinking more than coming in sight, im thinking bringing that Wall down or destroying to show that "Winter has arrived". I can certainly see that happening eventually, whether its soon (finale of this season), or later (maybe half way point of next season if they do end up doing one bigger season broken up)
If next weeks show was the finale, they could have had Ramsay capturing Snow, Sansa, with Rickon, Melissandre and Davos. And then had him smash somebodys head but shown it from the person POV an.... ahh forget it.[/spoiler]
When Jaime was talking to Edmure about Cersei, he says she would do anything and then mentions about burning KL to the ground. Foreshadowing? It's twice something like that has been mentioned now isn't it?
Overall thought it was a good episode, albeit with some odd developments. The whole Arya thing was strange. Tyrion has become boring and was disappointing to see the fish killed off screen.
Overall thought it was a good episode, albeit with some odd developments. The whole Arya thing was strange. Tyrion has become boring and was disappointing to see the fish killed off screen.
You know what's the worst part? There were two candles in that room. She only sliced one of them
Yeah, the Hound scenes were great!
- You can take one
- Two
I genuinely expected them to settle at one and a half, considering his habit of chopping people
But... but... she can fight in the dark now! Totally worth spending two seasons on it
I agree. I'd drop the show asap if it went the way of TWD. Absolute garbage tier TV, in my opinion. This season has being fantastic, bar the very "eh" opener and the lameness of this episode.
Maybe Arya is the 'terror' that the night is full of?
To be fair this part is believable - they don't have any military experience and they are used to everyone just obeying their orders/threats. And when the monster who doesn't seem to feel any pain and is hardly human just goes right at you and then tear someone's head off with his bare hands... Maybe they had a chance if they were to attack him all at once, but that requires a special kind of bravery and a calculated sacrifices of quite a few of them - and no one wanted to be the first one (well, the second one, after everyone saw what happened to the first), who definitely will get fecked up. Look at the Lannister cousin's (forgot his name) face when Tyrells and Jaime marched into town - he clearly had second thoughts about his life choices of late despite being brainwashed.
Agreed with @harms there. I think that was quite a good scene.
If there comes a key scene in a future episode where her stealth night fighting comes handy, that will be great. Otherwise yeah, spent a lot of time for a little payoff. But at least its done with now (hopefully).
I do hope we see more Hound scenes.
And more mountain killing people.
If there comes a key scene in a future episode where her stealth night fighting comes handy, that will be great. Otherwise yeah, spent a lot of time for a little payoff. But at least its done with now (hopefully).
I do hope we see more Hound scenes.
And more mountain killing people.
Also didn't Jamie kill the mad King because he wanted to burn the whole place down?
Now we have Jamie telling Edmure that Cersei is the only one on the planet he cares for and that he would kill everyone to get back to her (something like that anyway), yet here we have Cersei acting exactly like the mad King herself.
Now we have Jamie telling Edmure that Cersei is the only one on the planet he cares for and that he would kill everyone to get back to her (something like that anyway), yet here we have Cersei acting exactly like the mad King herself.
I actually quite liked the fact that Arya tried her best to be no one, a faceless person, but ultimately, she just couldn't leave behind her roots, forget where she's from. It's like one of the most realistic things done on the show if I'm honest. Obviously the pay-off won't be great since the show spent more than a few seasons in Braavos, but I think it progressed her character and gave her a proper identity now.
It was the way they wrote that story that annoyed me.
Also, I genuinely don't think it's the end of the Faceless men. Jaqen is definitely going to make an appearance in future seasons I reckon.
Thought it was a very good episode.
The hound & Franken-Mountain's kills
fecking Tommen is a dick. I wish Joffrey came back & sorted the little twat out. Wonder what rumours Cersei & the other dude were on about. Surely something to do with the old man.
Loved the scenes Jamie had. Brilliant character who is torn between what he's done & his honour as a knight but ultimately puts his love for Cersei ahead of everything. Quite liked how he let Brienne go, even though they'll probably have to fight at some point. I'm guessing the Tully uncle won't be helping Sansa now. Btw Bronn is fantastic
Brotherhood without banners are back! Hopefully they play a role in the upcoming episodes, sounds like they're heading North to fight the White walkers.
Loved when Arya said she's Arya Stark of Winterfell. Had high hopes for her assassin story but it really didn't get anywhere & was getting boring. Wonder if we'll see the assassin guy again but at least Arya seems to have regained her confidence, although not quite sure how an injured Arya beat the badass assassin girl.
The hound & Franken-Mountain's kills
fecking Tommen is a dick. I wish Joffrey came back & sorted the little twat out. Wonder what rumours Cersei & the other dude were on about. Surely something to do with the old man.
Loved the scenes Jamie had. Brilliant character who is torn between what he's done & his honour as a knight but ultimately puts his love for Cersei ahead of everything. Quite liked how he let Brienne go, even though they'll probably have to fight at some point. I'm guessing the Tully uncle won't be helping Sansa now. Btw Bronn is fantastic
Brotherhood without banners are back! Hopefully they play a role in the upcoming episodes, sounds like they're heading North to fight the White walkers.
Loved when Arya said she's Arya Stark of Winterfell. Had high hopes for her assassin story but it really didn't get anywhere & was getting boring. Wonder if we'll see the assassin guy again but at least Arya seems to have regained her confidence, although not quite sure how an injured Arya beat the badass assassin girl.
The show has many strands of storyline. For these strands to have any real meaning they obviously have to converge at certain points. However, each strand necessarily moves at a different pace to the others. This then makes it difficult to time the points where the strands converge properly as one strand will often be further ahead of the other.
There are only two real solutions to this. One is to abandon certain storylines when necessary and resume them again when the time is right. Bran's storyline is a good example of this as they literally ignored it for an entire season. However, this will obviously frustrate people if they do it to a very popular character (Tyrion, say) and also leads to practical difficulties in terms of keeping actors involved in the show.
The second option is to place the character in a holding position where their storyline doesn't really progress in relation to the others. This lets them keep the characters/actors on screen while allowing whichever characters they're eventually going to converge with to get into the right position. Theon's time being tortured by Ramsey is probably a good example of this. It was an extremely repetitive storyline that barely progressed over the season it took place. However, it now seems like it was necessary to slow Theon's storyline down at that point so that the characters his plot line would later converge with (Sansa, Brienne, Boltons, Jon, etc.) could move into position.
The Arya storyline this season feels almost exactly like that Theon storyline to me. Guess this season was her turn to be put on the backburner.
All of which is a very long-winded way of pointing out that the structure of the show is inherently flawed and that each of the last several season have seen some storylines suffer as a result. It's also what stops the show from being up there with the very best, even more so then the incidents of poor writing that pop up occasionally.
There are only two real solutions to this. One is to abandon certain storylines when necessary and resume them again when the time is right. Bran's storyline is a good example of this as they literally ignored it for an entire season. However, this will obviously frustrate people if they do it to a very popular character (Tyrion, say) and also leads to practical difficulties in terms of keeping actors involved in the show.
The second option is to place the character in a holding position where their storyline doesn't really progress in relation to the others. This lets them keep the characters/actors on screen while allowing whichever characters they're eventually going to converge with to get into the right position. Theon's time being tortured by Ramsey is probably a good example of this. It was an extremely repetitive storyline that barely progressed over the season it took place. However, it now seems like it was necessary to slow Theon's storyline down at that point so that the characters his plot line would later converge with (Sansa, Brienne, Boltons, Jon, etc.) could move into position.
The Arya storyline this season feels almost exactly like that Theon storyline to me. Guess this season was her turn to be put on the backburner.
All of which is a very long-winded way of pointing out that the structure of the show is inherently flawed and that each of the last several season have seen some storylines suffer as a result. It's also what stops the show from being up there with the very best, even more so then the incidents of poor writing that pop up occasionally.
Excellent post from the man who still has a willy.
The writing has gotten a bit shit. Am I right to assume that by now the show producers have to create new storylines and dialogues and don't have the original material to rely on anymore since George R.R. Martin has been taking too long to come up with a new novel of the series? Maybe that's the reason. It just seems that they've bought into their own hype and have got a bit lazy.
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I wouldn't mind that.Tyrion has been totally wasted this season. I thought there was a sequence of episodes (maybe 3,4,5 or something) which were good but all in all this season has been a disappointment.
Tyrion is a perfect example with this season. It's odd because the story seems to be zipping along now in some areas but then we keep going back to Myreen to check up on Tyrion in his quest to find the perfect joke. The scene last night was cringeworthy.
Good post, though I think the bolded bit is also extremely difficult to achieve with so many storylines - the other shows, generally considered up there as the best, most probably didn't have half the storylines to contend with and interlink.