Eh?? Season 5 was mostly shite, save for "Hardhome" (8th episode). Although this week's episode was kinda weak, overall I'm enjoying this season way more than last. Agree that things should be kicking off nicely next week.
Don't think Cersei has ever really been that subtle, or at least not as subtle as she thinks she is being. Even her own father, may he shit gold forever in heaven with the seven, didn't trust her decision making skills.
Well, not to the audience anyway. But whatever she usually decides to do in her own self interest or in the interest of her Children is never OTT. I mean when she had numerous conflicts with Joffrey, she never plotted anything against him nor did she feel like her son betrayed her iirc.
People seem so convinced about the Cersei theory, just like people were about Arya's plot. Seems a little out of character though for her don't you think ? Whatever she's done upto now, has been subtle political sabotaging. But the theory is showing her introducing anarchy at it's finest.
When that old "scientist" whispered in Cersei's ear, I immediately thought she was planning on burning the whole place down if she could find/concoct some more of that liquid fire. Would be pretty disappointed if that turned out to be the case since we've already seen this shite twice now with the Mad King and also when Tyrion used it in Blackwater. Would be a case of some seriously lazy writing.
Not a spoiler, nor speculation, merely just an observation... The high sparrow, although a painstakingly annoying character, is exceptionally smart. EDIT: Can see Cersei having plans to blow up KL but the sparrow will intervene somehow.
When that old "scientist" whispered in Cersei's ear, I immediately thought she was planning on burning the whole place down if she could find/concoct some more of that liquid fire. Would be pretty disappointed if that turned out to be the case since we've already seen this shite twice now with the Mad King and also when Tyrion used it in Blackwater. Would be a case of some seriously lazy writing.
Yeah, but it's not the first time they are rehashing the same old gimmick is it this season ? Dany's resurgence, characters brought back after seemingly dying off screen (The current total stands at 4 I think). It wouldn't surprise me if that green fire thing is used again. But I just thought it didn't make much sense for Cersei's character. For example, for Tyrion, when he was betrayed by Shae and his family, you knew he was going to do something big, he was seething mad. I can't sense the same level of intensity in Cersei, or maybe I haven't been that observant.
Not a spoiler, nor speculation, merely just an observation... The high sparrow, although a painstakingly annoying character, is exceptionally smart. EDIT: Can see Cersei having plans to blow up KL but the sparrow will intervene somehow.
Always seems to be a step ahead. Though, I don't understand how someone as smart as him doesn't understand that Margery is playing him. Great actor though.
Yeah, but it's not the first time they are rehashing the same old gimmick is it this season ? Dany's resurgence, characters brought back after seemingly dying off screen (The current total stands at 4 I think). It wouldn't surprise me if that green fire thing is used again. But I just thought it didn't make much sense for Cersei's character. For example, for Tyrion, when he was betrayed by Shae and his family, you knew he was going to do something big, he was seething mad. I can't sense the same level of intensity in Cersei, or maybe I haven't been that observant.
Do we know he's been searching for wild fire? Must have missed that part, if she's asked him to find it then maybe..
I personally thought Brans flashbacks were just to show he could see the past, don't think he can see the future? I just can't see her setting fire to the whole castle, unless she gets Tommen and the others out first.
Dude, maybe it's time to just leave this thread? Really. You're having a moan every week about spoilers. He hasn't given away anything there in his at all
Yeah, but it's not the first time they are rehashing the same old gimmick is it this season ? Dany's resurgence, characters brought back after seemingly dying off screen (The current total stands at 4 I think). It wouldn't surprise me if that green fire thing is used again. But I just thought it didn't make much sense for Cersei's character. For example, for Tyrion, when he was betrayed by Shae and his family, you knew he was going to do something big, he was seething mad. I can't sense the same level of intensity in Cersei, or maybe I haven't been that observant.
Always seems to be a step ahead. Though, I don't understand how someone as smart as him doesn't understand that Margery is playing him. Great actor though.
Well tbf, how's RedSky supposed to work out what to read and what not to read without a spoiler warning? Unless you're telling him to stay out of this thread?
Well tbf, how's RedSky supposed to work out what to read and what not to read without a spoiler warning? Unless you're telling him to stay out of this thread?
I genuinely think G.O.T. is suffering from having too many characters and storylines. Hopefully the last seasons have maybe 3 things going on at the most. I get its all character building and plot developing but take a lot of the last 3 episodes out and it wouldnt really do nothing to the overall outcome
Not looking to get into an argument, but there was two words that prolly pissed him off. Isn't it easier to just follow the rules and spoiler stuff that's speculation?
Not looking to get into an argument, but there was two words that prolly pissed him off. Isn't it easier to just follow the rules and spoiler stuff that's speculation?
If it's the words I'm thinking of, it's so, so vague that it's probably actually been openly discussed by others in the thread. Seriously. No names were mentioned. No context in the post. I think this thread has shown that if he's that picky about it, he's doomed to see something he doesn't want to see if this is the level of spoilering he wants, because that level of spoilering looks impossible to achieve.
I think that fact that he is working very hard at manipulating Tommen and not leaving it up to Marg to do that might suggest he does not fully trust her.
I'm not sure some of you know what "filler" is. Decent episode overall though, thought the Arya stuff was a bit underwhelming and the Riverlands plot altogether seems a bit pointless unless the speculation regarding KL is true.
Exactly. I think we defo had filler scenes (eg quite a few of Tyrion ones this season). Or that Cersei actress acting with Joffrey Actor for like the 100th time this season (obvious exaggeration). But whilst we have a few filler scenes, majority advance something or another.
Blackfish however was a pointless character. All he did was delay the inevitable whilst dying off screen. And his death didnt serve purpose, they could have made it more about him causing a distraction to ensure Brienne can go and protect Sansa (cos if she and Pod were still there, they would have been captured). Or something. I dunno.
Bits of the writing could be better no doubt (eg Arya walking out seemingly fresh and healthy at the end). However for me those are in the minority. Really enjoyed this season though.
So I guess some of the the questions from that episode (which is not filler btw) is:
-Now that trial by combat is abolished, what is Cerseis plan?
-Is Hound now with Brotherhood without banners? And are they going to head towards the Starks (maybe to fight the whitewalkers)?
-Where is Varys going?
My thoughts / speculation
I think Cersei will go batshit crazy and try to burn KL. Didnt she or Jamie say they would do that to be with the other. It seems to have been foreshadowed a lot.
Hound joining BWB was a nice thing to see especially given their meeting in one of the previous seasons. And seeing the likes of the Hound fighting against Whitewalkers and their zombies would be something. And seeing her maybe with Arya again.
I have a feeling hes going somewhere we havent seen since the first episode of this season, Dorne. Basically to bring that place back since its been ignored since
Also ep 9 and 10 speculation
Ep9 we get the battle between Jon and Ramsay. I think Ramsay finally dies but he takes out somebody important from Jons side (most likely Rickon), and this will deplete Jons army / wildlings.
But they win especially thanks to Littlefinger doing something to save the day and to try and earn Sansa trust back.
Ep10 however I think will be interesting. I think Bran / Meera and Benjen make it past the wall to reunite with Jon.
I think thanks to this Whitewalkers are able to get to the wall, and destroy it. Seeing it come down would be something immense.
meanwhile Dany slays the masters with her dragons and after that Theon and his sister manage to get to her to try and strike up a deal about getting to Westeros. Whilst Varys tells Oberyns family about Dany and the plan to take down KL and the Lannisters.
i don't know. But the vision definitely wasn't from Blackwater because it was in a hallway or something. So either it was a flashback to the mad king before Jamie stopped him, or something that'll happen in the future. And right now Cercie is at the end of her rope.
Not looking to get into an argument, but there was two words that prolly pissed him off. Isn't it easier to just follow the rules and spoiler stuff that's speculation?
I was replying to somebody who'd asked me a question, I can discuss it in a spoiler tag as its purely speculation. We are also discussing a scene showed quite regularly in the show, nothing new or Unknown. He's just being seriously pedantic.
Well I just watched Episode 8 and well....what the hell??? That's probably the first episode where I've thought that's just plain stupid. Daenerys turning up right on cue when the pyramid is under attack. The Mountain just taking out one of the Faith Militant...I thought they were all for it. And finally Arya v The Waif???? C'mon! Exactly how Oberyn Martell got done...monologuing instead of delivering the deathblow to the Mountain. Soon as the Waif slowed down in her pursuit and started stalking Arya, there was only going to be one outcome...even though Arya was badly wounded. Amazing how she hobbled out of bed then made that miraculous recovery to evade the Waif. Gutted she's gone now. Ah well! But that bit was very poor, very poor indeed!
Well I just watched Episode 8 and well....what the hell??? That's probably the first episode where I've thought that's just plain stupid. Denaerys turning up right on cue when the pyramid is under attack. The Mountain just taking out one of the Faith Militant...I thought they were all for it. And finally Arya v The Waif???? C'mon! Exactly how Oberyn Martell got done...monologuing instead of delivering the deathblow to the Mountain. Soon as the Waif slowed down in her pursuit and started stalking Arya, there was only going to be one outcome...even though Arya was badly wounded. Amazing how she hobbled out of bed then made that miraculous recovery to evade the Waif. Gutted she's gone now. Ah well! But that bit was very poor, very poor indeed!
Agreed. And Tommen is fast becoming the most irritating GoT character. No wait....he is the most irritating character at the moment. How could he turn into such a complete tool so quickly??
What the hell happened to Melisandre? We've not seen her since episode five and she's been completely irrelevant since episode two. You'd think the person responsible for resurrecting Jon Snow would be relatively important. Surely that would have restored her faith in the Lord of Light?
Agreed. And Tommen is fast becoming the most irritating GoT character. No wait....he is the most irritating character at the moment. How could he turn into such a complete tool so quickly??
Of all my complaints Tommen's fairly low down. Yeah he's an annoying idiot, but at least he's supposed to be an annoying idiot. Its at least in character.
The Arya guff though, I can't believe it, I thought the Dorne bollocks was just an unfortunate mis-step but its looking like without GRRM it's just the quality of storytelling this show can muster up now. If it's not Deus Ex Machina (Danny turning up with her dragons just the latest in a long line) then its just poorly written bollocks. Even 'A wizard did it' would make better sense than Arya's storyline recently. The story-tellings just got incredibly lazy.
Oh well, hopefully a return to form next week will put my mind at ease that its not going to end on a massive, steaming pile of shite.
On the subject, I really hope Arya actually has some relevance on the plot. Her latest statements of 'I want to go see whats beyond Westeros' are probably great for people desperate to find out more of the Lore, but if they're true then it means we've spent a combined 7+ hours watching a story that is completely and utterly irrelevant to the over-arching narrative.
I think part of the reason to include him was to show how loyal most people are to their houses. For most of the past season or two, it has seemed like people are happy to change allegiances without much thought. However, at the start of the series, it was the opposite. Blackfish helps to recreate that loyalty IMO. A point further enforced recently by Arya stating she is a Stark and the Tyrell flower thingy last episode I think.