Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

Also, Arthur Dayne is P4P #1.

He shafted Ned who's meant to be elite.
Yeah, I think it's something like...
1. AD
2. Ser Barristan (in his prime)
...then a bunch of people more or less tied for 3rd: Ned, 2-handed Jamie, Jorah Mormont, and I think you'd have to throw Bronn in there as well.
 
Yeah, I think it's something like...
1. AD
2. Ser Barristan (in his prime)
...then a bunch of people more or less tied for 3rd: Ned, 2-handed Jaime, Jorah Mormont, and I think you'd have to throw Bronn in there as well.
THE VIPER!!!!!!!!
 
Yeah, I think it's something like...
1. AD
2. Ser Barristan (in his prime)
...then a bunch of people more or less tied for 3rd: Ned, 2-handed Jamie, Jorah Mormont, and I think you'd have to throw Bronn in there as well.
Interesting. I suppose that's not that bad of a list considering what and how has been presented on the show. The book one would be quite different though. Although you are right about the first two. There are a lot of people coming after that though and way ahead the likes of Ned and Jorah. The former wasn't even the best among his siblings.
 
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Overall a good episode - some people are so picky.

My watch has ended :drool:. Thought he might burn them at the stake but making them swing was good enough.

I wasnt overly keen on the dual wielding of swords, seems so hollywood. That said it was a good fight scene. Why isnt he called the swords of the morning?

I really hope they dont go down the route of Bran influencing the present by changing the past. Bit of a black hole.

The Bran storyline is also eating into the potential of a great spinnoff / prequel series.

Shame we didnt get to see more of Danny ;).

Sam - meh.

Where has the small council been? I thought Cersei abolished it? Who was the bloke at the head of the table? Was he a lannister? If so why is he not towing the party line?

Also @BIG DUNK i am with you - use the ignore function.
 
Not sure where Jon's story takes him now. Might go back to Winterfell but surely he'll need the Wildlings to help him fight Ramsey. Wonderful seeing him kill the traitorous cnuts.

Completely forgot about Rickon's existence!! Enjoyed the flashback scene with Bran. I'm really interested to know what he's learning with tree dude & if his powers have increased. Arya's story has real potential IMO and it's good to see she's progressing at a decent rate rather than still begging/getting beat up.

Khaleesi is annoying. Every season the bitch is in trouble or whining about something. Wouldn't mind seeing her die but unlikely to happen.

Everything else was pretty standard. Agree with Jamie that Franken-Mountain needs to crush the priest like a melon. I look forward to his death now Ollie's been dealt with.
 
Enjoyed the episode but definite a fair bit of filler.

The young Ned scene was a great battle - although I didnt feel that we knew enough about Arthur Dayne to really appreciate who he was meant to be (i.e. one of the greatest swordsmen to have lived). There were subtle hints about certain fan theories - essentially when Ned asked him why he wasnt protecting his king, and Dayne replied that the king wanted him there - obviously that implies that there is a very important reason for him to be there.
The other interesting conclusion there was that Ned lied about what went down (regarding the battle). It sort of goes both ways as on the one hand, it shows Ned is not entirely the paragon of honour that he was made out to be, but on the other hand that same "not a paragon of honour" Ned would have been more likely to shag a peasant girl (and produce Jon) anyway.

Finally, I felt a bit of a disconnect between young Ned and the older Ned that we saw in season 1. Sure you can put it down to youthful exuberance, but he just seemed like a completely different person. Makes you wonder if the visions turn out to lead to a completely different 'twist' (revelation) than the one everyone is expecting (regarding a certain recently revived Mr Snow).

Other than that, I was pleased to see some actual progress in Arya's storyline and the fact that she now seems to have passed all the tests and can actually get on and bloody do something, instead of just repeatedly getting beaten up and saying "A girl has no name". Unfortunately the same doesnt seem to be true of Daenarys - who is still faffing about doing sweet feck all.
My speculation for Dany and the Dothraki is that they will decide to raid/sack Mereen, which will reunite her with various other characters.

The Wall storyline remains the most interesting. I felt the 'new' Jon was a bit soft and weepy at times, but glad he pulled the trigger on Thorne and cuntface. Also liked his exit from Castle Black with the 'My watch has ended' line. Looks like Jon will head south to try to reclaim Winterfell and fight some huge battle vs Ramsey. I am assuming that the Wildlings will follow him and form the bulk of his army, but it still seems a little lacklustre considering what Stannis came up against (not that Stannis was ever looking like winning, but when it showed the size of the Bolton forces...)

The Kings Landing storyline finally appears to be heading towards some sort of conclusion as well - trial by combat, Mountainstein clobbers whichever ponce the High Sparrow puts forward and events will then surely have to reach breaking point. If the High Sparrow does turn out to have ulterior motives then that will surely be the tipping point where he will have to reveal his true colours (if that turns out to be the case - but if not then the entire Faith Militant storyline seems a bit of a waste of time ultimately).

Oh and I have a crazy theory with Mereen/Dany;

Basically that Varys is the leader of the sons of the harpy. His motives for going there in the first place seemed a bit dodgy. We know that the small council ages ago decided to try to assassinate Dany. Given that Jorah/dragons etc were protecting her, perhaps Varys deemed that they needed to truly infiltrate her inner circle. Of course since Varys has been there, she has barely been around due to being kidnapped etc, and also having Daario (and others) protecting her at all times.

The other element of this is with Varys' 'little birds' - purely a bit of wordplay given that Harpies (the mythical creatures) are half bird themselves.

Could it be that Varys is basically trying to sabotage Dany's return to Westeros, and ultimately trying to kill Dany herself?
The bit (or, one of the bits) that doesnt add up here is why he would have saved Tyrion if this was the case - but ultimately he did owe Tyrion a pretty big favour after Blackwater Bay etc.
 
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Is it just me that feels the general mood of the show is a lot more different to season 1? In season 1 it was a more fantasy tv show than it is now. But now because of the increasing popularity it has become more so about the drama and it's a bit less nerdy for want of a better term. (nerdy in a good way)
 
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The show is basically 50% great and 50% utter shite

Arya, dragon lady, dwarf and bald guy can all go be fecked with their shitty boring storylines dragged on far too long.

The rest is good TV
 
Those all used to be much more interesting storylines though, so hopefully they can get back on track. Less hope for things like Dorne or the Iron Islands that have always been shit. They did resurrect Bran's story well in the show after a long layoff.
 
Daenerys and the Unsullied have been the biggest disappointment of the whole series so far, this seemingly invincible army getting decimated at every opportunity and not able to protect their queen...and for feck's sake why doesn't Tommen just stick a blade in High Sparrow. It was great seeing Jon Snow's 'killers' getting theirs including the little brat who dealt him the death blow....very satisfying that! :lol:

I just can't wait for Ramsey Bolton to get his. He must be the most despicable character on TV....ever! You just know he's going to have the most gruesome death...nothing else will do. I don't think it's going to end well for Osha either though!

Still enjoying the series though.
 
Yeah stick girl I meant.
It was just cos Frey was brought up lol, nothing substantial. But defo, Hound is a curious one cos his name wasnt brought up by Arya but by girl with stick.



I originally thought that, but then its a really risky plan giving Rickon to a madman like Ramsay.

You mean the Waif! :) I loved the look on her face when she got a taste of her own medicine!
 
Stick Girl seems like she knows some shit. She hit Arya every time she spoke an untruth. Arya said The Hound was dead and didn't get whacked.

Hound definitely deadsies then?
 
I'm slightly frustrated with how many story lines there are, you just get comfortable with it then 'oh,guess I'm waiting till next week to see what happens with them'

Well to be fair only the Bran story line is shit.
 
Well to be fair only the Bran story line is shit.
He wasnt talking about if a story line is shit or not though. My beef is that we dont get much of each story line each episode as there are so many. So the problem is that we get quick snippets of each characters story each week which doesnt give us much depth. Would love it if they doubled the episodes each season to cover all the different storylines more effectively. But then most people would probably find it too slow.
 
He wasnt talking about if a story line is shit or not though. My beef is that we dont get much of each story line each episode as there are so many. So the problem is that we get quick snippets of each characters story each week which doesnt give us much depth. Would love it if they doubled the episodes each season to cover all the different storylines more effectively. But then most people would probably find it too slow.
It's an incredibly difficult task, to be fair. The things these writers are asked to do...and now without direct source material. I don't remember the details, but
the books are well north of the Bible in terms of length.

Reminds me of Grand Theft Auto V...trying to develop three protagonists at once was highly ambitious in a video game. It was far from perfect, but still interesting.
 
Looking back Olly's storyline is one of the more tragic ones in the series.
  • His family and town get massacred
  • Runs to the wall for protection
  • Jon Snow trains him and Olly looks up to snow
  • Snow says he has to save the wildlings and Olly has to live with the people who killed his family.
Its kinda one kick in the balls to another for olly
feck Olly.
 
It's an incredibly difficult task, to be fair. The things these writers are asked to do...and now without direct source material. I don't remember the details, but
the books are well north of the Bible in terms of length.

Reminds me of Grand Theft Auto V...trying to develop three protagonists at once was highly ambitious in a video game. It was far from perfect, but still interesting.
Absolutely, I think they do an amazing job, Im just being swlfish in terms of how i want it. My first GTA was the latest one and I still love it 3 or so years on.
 
Not sure where Jon's story takes him now. Might go back to Winterfell but surely he'll need the Wildlings to help him fight Ramsey. Wonderful seeing him kill the traitorous cnuts.

Completely forgot about Rickon's existence!! Enjoyed the flashback scene with Bran. I'm really interested to know what he's learning with tree dude & if his powers have increased. Arya's story has real potential IMO and it's good to see she's progressing at a decent rate rather than still begging/getting beat up.

Khaleesi is annoying. Every season the bitch is in trouble or whining about something. Wouldn't mind seeing her die but unlikely to happen.

Everything else was pretty standard. Agree with Jamie that Franken-Mountain needs to crush the priest like a melon. I look forward to his death now Ollie's been dealt with.

I don't think he'll have any superpower bar the one he already have, probably he'll walk again, but he ain't gonna done a cape and become superman. But like they say , knowledge is the biggest virtue.

I think they dumbed down danny just to make it up for her being a BAMF later, how later... well.. later..
 
I didn't look up anything. I put it in a spoiler tag, and if you can't have the will power to resist opening a spoiler tag that clearly tells you it contains potential spoilers then that's your problem and not mine. I can post it here as well because it literally says at the top ALL SPECULATION MUST GO IN SPOILER TAGS. Given that it has not happened, it's speculation. Stop bitching about something that is entirely your fault. You opened it, not me.
I know it's like when your a kid and you see a sign somewhere stating "Don't touch very Hot"!!
Burnt fingers every time brother.
 
I know he sort of looked like a skinny young Wayne Rooney !!
The little Ballbag

:lol:

Again, unsure about the show. I feel they could go on forever with this. I think their only real focus is to solve the ending sequence from the last episode and end with a new riddle for the next, what happens in the middle is just horseshit.
 
I think they killed off the wrong Bolton. Roose was a far more interesting character. Ramsey is just a psychopath who happened to be in the right place at the right time.
 
I don't think he'll have any superpower bar the one he already have, probably he'll walk again, but he ain't gonna done a cape and become superman. But like they say , knowledge is the biggest virtue.

I think they dumbed down danny just to make it up for her being a BAMF later, how later... well.. later..

:lol: what I meant with his powers was I wonder if he can control more than one person at a time. Also, by searching into the past, can he use memories/emotions of people against them to control them?

Also, I doubt he will walk again.
 
They really need to cut down on the story arcs as it's ruining it:

5-10 minutes per character per episode (if they even get a mention, Little Finger?) means it'll take a season for the smallest thing to progress.
Time being given to pointless characters (Sam and Gilly), just kill them off already.
The slow, monotonous build up or repetition ("A girl has no name") OK we get it!.

The show is just just going through the motions in order to feed its inflated ego and to give the masses hope that it'll some day return to how it was but in reality it seems a little lost with no definitive direction - commonly known as a clusterfeck which they need to start addressing.
 
Right about now, characters are just too spread out for a TV series. With Jon leaving Castle Black, it might get even more messy. I hope that Dany finally heads somewhere, because essentially it would reunite half of the characters and ease things up. Same for Sansa and Baelish. Kings Landing just feels unnecessary right now, that war with Dorne seems to have no purpose for the story. Kill the high sparrow already and get it over with.
Regarding Bran: we all know what this scene means and implies, its painfully obvious. They need to stop all that cliffhangers, having them everywhere is ironically making the show less surprising.
We all know what will happen there, so, wouldn't it have been way more awesome to just throw it in our faces without us being ready for it? Imagine putting a cliffhanger inside the red wedding, would have been stupid...
 
I think they killed off the wrong Bolton. Roose was a far more interesting character. Ramsey is just a psychopath who happened to be in the right place at the right time.

Yeah that was a disappointing end to one of the more 'nuanced' villains in the show.

I must be one of the few people who doesn't really get all the Olly hate either. He's basically a kid who watched his family get slaughtered by Wildlings and then saw his Lord Commander give them all a free pass. I'd say his reactions were entirely understandable. I thought Allister was far more of a dick.
 
Right about now, characters are just too spread out for a TV series. With Jon leaving Castle Black, it might get even more messy. I hope that Dany finally heads somewhere, because essentially it would reunite half of the characters and ease things up. Same for Sansa and Baelish. Kings Landing just feels unnecessary right now, that war with Dorne seems to have no purpose for the story. Kill the high sparrow already and get it over with.
Regarding Bran: we all know what this scene means and implies, its painfully obvious. They need to stop all that cliffhangers, having them everywhere is ironically making the show less surprising.
We all know what will happen there, so, wouldn't it have been way more awesome to just throw it in our faces without us being ready for it? Imagine putting a cliffhanger inside the red wedding, would have been stupid...

It's a perfect analogy with Van Gaal's sideway passing, pass pass pass no goal!