Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

amolbhatia50k said:
I personally do and don't. I generally like shows/movies not pandering to the obvious desire. But I do also, naturally, like seeing more of the most interesting characters. I think both aspects can co-exist. I guess I just disagree with the writer on who the most interesting characters were.
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I think they've done it well myself.

I personally thought that Stannis's arc had run its course. Losing that battle the way he did, after burning his own daughter....there was no way back from that. The character who I probably would've liked to stay alive was The Hound. Oberyn was a good death, because it meant Dorne had reason to have a big beef with the crown. Too bad they fecked up most things about the Sand Snakes, from the casting of the actors to the actual plot lines.
 
Does anyone else think the Hound is still alive? Seems to have been forgotten about, but his 'death' was pretty dubious.
 
NinjaZombie said:
Too bad they fecked up most things about the Sand Snakes, from the casting of the actors to the actual plot lines.
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Hopefully now the sand snakes are coming to King's Landing for a showdown they'll cause a bit of a poorly choreographed ruckus, but ultimately meet their fate at the hands of..

Ser Pounce
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Who's been rather ominous in his absence since Season 4, you know when he comes back, some serious shit will go down.
 
Tyrion said:
I've thought that would be the best result for her for a while now. She's portrayed as a potential savour for common people but her ambition to be queen is rooted in her mad Dad's bloodline, her pack of fire breathing monsters, her army of formerly enslaved eunuchs and her mad brother's obsession. She's never even seen Westeros afaik. If she went to Westeros, it'd be as a foreign conqueror not a liberator.

Plus it's too obvious. Everytime she looks like she's in trouble, something bails her out. Her becoming queen would be a bit of an anti climax imo. I'm hoping her current storyline doesn't result in her just becoming Queen of all Dothraki because dragons (or something).
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I'm not a big fan of Danny's The only thing has really got going for her is Dragons and how bringing dragons into a city like King's Landing is a good idea I do not know.

Taking them up to the wall to fight the Whites yes. Into the Capital no thanks.
 
dellboyy said:
I've had this thought, we've not seen him die yet, so you never know. Hope he does turn up again :)
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I miss the Hound and Arya double act.

I'm not a big fan of the House of Black and White thing. It's turned her from Hit Girl into the latest installment of the Karate Kid with all the cleaning up and washing of bodies she has to do.

I don't want her to be No One. I want her to be a psychotic kid on a vengeance trip. That was fun and funny while The House of Black and White is just boring.
 
Fully Fledged said:
I miss the Hound and Arya double act.

I'm not a big fan of the House of Black and White thing. It's turned her from Hit Girl into the latest installment of the Karate Kid with all the cleaning up and washing of bodies she has to do.

I don't want her to be No One. I want her to be a psychotic kid on a vengeance trip. That was fun and funny while The House of Black and White is just boring.
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I do agree with this... the whole 'no one' thing is getting old already. Compared to the hound and aria adventures, it's pretty dull.

I just hope she gets back to the vengeance thing after she's finished the training and doesn't just loose her identity.
 
Scarecrow said:
I don't have a problem with it being magic and not scientifically explained. However, it's already established that magic in this universe is not like Harry Potter or LOTR - it's messy, ugly, dangerous and always has a cost. That was the point of all those rituals and sacrifices we saw Mel (and others) doing in the previous seasons. Only death can pay for life.

Obviously that could still be the case with Jon, we'll see. I'll be disappointed if that's all though - she says please, he's alive and everybody goes about his business.
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I get your point and i'd be disappointed too, if Jon's character development isn't affected by his death experience. I was referring more to the question "why not Stannis or anybody else?" which can be raised by some.

I believe there's more to it. In season 3 when Beric was resurrected and Arya asked him if there's any cost to all that, he replied that every time it happens you lose a little bit more of yourself. No one had to be killed for the ritual to be performed. Back then Arya was in the place most of the fans of the show were before the last episode. She had lost many loved ones and wanted to know if it's possible to bring them back. I believe that was the significance of that scene back then, a reminder for the fans that things won't be the same for any beloved character who gets this kind of second chance.
 
Ish said:
Something I was wondering about. What's the so-called purpose ("criteria") for bringing someone back from the dead? I mean one can understand if it was only Jon who was brought back because he probably is one of theee main characters in the show.

But for instance, that other guy brought back that Beric dude (or Beric brought back some other guy :lol:) like 10 times, but he's most probably a pretty insignificant character on the show. So what's to stop them trying to ask the Lord of Light to bring back, say Stannis etc?

Or was the previous story arc (Beric or whatever his name was) purely just there to lead up to the Jon resurrection moment?
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Part of the problem about taking it from the books, is they can't fit everything in, where I believe Beric and the brotherhood without banners have a much biiger part? Seem like it won't be in the show though.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Aren't most criticisms in this thread a form of nitpicking?

Still, I don't see how the show telling us that everything we've seen Danerys do has now almost all been undone isn't something to nitpick. We've spent so long watching her "change the world" and now we learn all those changes mean nought? How is that not an issue?

I realised he was Balon's brother, what I mean is - who is he in terms of have we met him before the shoe? Did we know Balon had a brother? What were his motivations (he was largely talking in riddles) and what was with all the religious stuff? Yes, I am aware future episodes will explain stuff, but I'm not too psyched about another religious nut in the show (which is the impression I got from the scene).

I don't think you can compare Rob's death, in terms of build up and impact to Lord Bolton's... As others I/others said, Ramsey is too much of a cardboard villain for me, and his father offered a bit more nuiance/layers, so its a shame to see him leave the show in general.

Those Dothraki folks talking about abusing Danerys last episode was both poorly written and both poorly acted... it felt completely out of place and was largely terrible. That's not a nitpick, that is an opinion. Similarly, the bloke making a random speech in some Kings Landing cafe was both poorly written and poorly acted. This is also opinion and guess what this thread is for?
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Well if you're aware future episodes will explain things why do you want to be spoon fed the answers right now? You'll find out who's who and what their intentions are in future episodes.

And it wasn't "some random bloke in a cafe", he explained he was the fella that flashed Cersei during her walk of shame in season five. It wasn't poorly written nor poorly acted.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Aren't most criticisms in this thread a form of nitpicking?

Still, I don't see how the show telling us that everything we've seen Danerys do has now almost all been undone isn't something to nitpick. We've spent so long watching her "change the world" and now we learn all those changes mean nought? How is that not an issue? To me it is just a matter of her story not being a simple straight line from A to B. And things not being easy, even with dragons (who up to this point she has not had control over to actually use, nor the will to totally annihilate her enemies using the dragons. I mean the whole show could be done in a season if it was as simple as Danerys has dragons, dragons kill all her enemies. Plus she was very young from the start, naïve even, she needs to learn to rule and that conquering something is not the same as holding onto and ruling something. She still needs a large army and navy to attack Westeros. Her eunuch army has been suffering a bit of attrition in its occupation.

I realised he was Balon's brother, what I mean is - who is he in terms of have we met him before the shoe? Did we know Balon had a brother? What were his motivations (he was largely talking in riddles) and what was with all the religious stuff? Yes, I am aware future episodes will explain stuff, but I'm not too psyched about another religious nut in the show (which is the impression I got from the scene). A bit of patience is required here I think. Yes he is new, so we won't know everything about him from the very first scene we see him in. This story will unfold this season I think. The whole religious thing is probably just starting to give us a bit of background to the culture of the Iron Islands.

I don't think you can compare Rob's death, in terms of build up and impact to Lord Bolton's... As others I/others said, Ramsey is too much of a cardboard villain for me, and his father offered a bit more nuiance/layers, so its a shame to see him leave the show in general.

Those Dothraki folks talking about abusing Danerys last episode was both poorly written and both poorly acted... it felt completely out of place and was largely terrible. That's not a nitpick, that is an opinion. Similarly, the bloke making a random speech in some Kings Landing cafe was both poorly written and poorly acted. This is also opinion and guess what this thread is for?
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DatIrishFella said:
Well if you're aware future episodes will explain things why do you want to be spoon fed the answers right now? You'll find out who's who and what their intentions are in future episodes.

And it wasn't "some random bloke in a cafe", he explained he was the fella that flashed Cersei during her walk of shame in season five. It wasn't poorly written nor poorly acted.
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Oh yes, that storied character, how could I forget the integral role he's been playing throughout the show.

And yes, in my opinion, it was poorly written, and dreadfully acted.

And I am fully aware we will get answers, but it is pretty jarring to be thrown to a location we haven't seen in 2 years, re-meet a character we haven't seen for 2 years, and who is then killed by his brother, who we've never met and know nothing about. It's not exactly Ramsay killing his father is it? I'm just glad he called him "brother" (as most siblings often refer to each other as in general conversation) otherwise it would have been really difficult figuring out who it is (yes... this is nitpicking).
 
Sied said:
Can someone remind me how the mountain recovered from that fight with Oberyn? I know we've just seen a man get brought back from the dead on this show, but was the fact he got stabbed numerous times just ignored? Also, where did he come from to rescue Cersei? Who called for him?
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Qyburn used reanimation to bring him back to life. He had tubes and what not draining and refilling his body. That is why he has been given the nickname FrankenMountain.

 
I hope Jon doesn't go all religious and righteous like Beric Dondarrion was now though. Vengeful and badass yes, holy and pious no thanks.
 
I didn't get the relevance of the brother on the bridge either. It's only after watching some YouTube clips that I semi understood why that bloke who was acting all big time was supposed to be important.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Oh yes, that storied character, how could I forget the integral role he's been playing throughout the show.

And yes, in my opinion, it was poorly written, and dreadfully acted.

And I am fully aware we will get answers, but it is pretty jarring to be thrown to a location we haven't seen in 2 years, re-meet a character we haven't seen for 2 years, and who is then killed by his brother, who we've never met and know nothing about. It's not exactly Ramsay killing his father is it? I'm just glad he called him "brother" (as most siblings often refer to each other as in general conversation) otherwise it would have been really difficult figuring out who it is (yes... this is nitpicking).
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Yeah, but it wasn't a general conversation though, it's the first time he's seeing his brother in an unspecified number of years, hence Balon saying "I thought you'd rotten under some foreign sea by now". If he (the new guy) hadn't of called Balon "brother" people like yourself would be moaning as to why their relationship wasn't established.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Well if it's like Beric Dondarrion, apparently he lost a bit of himself every time he was resurrected. What will John snow lose?
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not his sense of humour anyway....i can't recall him every laughing

on a seperate note - did anyone else think Stannis might not have been dead?

I thought it was funny at the end of last season that they didn't show his death

the lack of a mention probably means he's gone though
 
I think Stannis is more likely to be alive than Sandor. Sandor's definitely gone.

Stannis ftw
 
Fully Fledged said:
I'm not a big fan of Danny's The only thing has really got going for her is Dragons and how bringing dragons into a city like King's Landing is a good idea I do not know.

Taking them up to the wall to fight the Whites yes. Into the Capital no thanks.
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I know. I know we're supposed to like her, and many do, but I don't see what qualifies her as a leader ahead of Tyrion or JS (or Ned or Robb before them) apart from the dragons. She's overly reliant on her advisors as well.

Fully Fledged said:
I miss the Hound and Arya double act.

I'm not a big fan of the House of Black and White thing. It's turned her from Hit Girl into the latest installment of the Karate Kid with all the cleaning up and washing of bodies she has to do.

I don't want her to be No One. I want her to be a psychotic kid on a vengeance trip. That was fun and funny while The House of Black and White is just boring.
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Especially given the attrition rate on GoT. The names on her list might just die off before she's even finished training.
 
buckooo1978 said:
not his sense of humour anyway....i can't recall him every laughing

on a seperate note - did anyone else think Stannis might not have been dead?

I thought it was funny at the end of last season that they didn't show his death

the lack of a mention probably means he's gone though
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Roose: Thanks to you the False King Stannis Baratheon is dead.

Roose: Do you know who struck the killing blow?

Ramsey: No.

Roose: A shame. I'd reward the Man.
 
buckooo1978 said:
not his sense of humour anyway....i can't recall him every laughing

on a seperate note - did anyone else think Stannis might not have been dead?

I thought it was funny at the end of last season that they didn't show his death

the lack of a mention probably means he's gone though
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He laughed once when he found out that Sam got lucky :D
 
Who was that guy the mountain squished and why?
 
ArmandTamzarian said:
Hopefully now the sand snakes are coming to King's Landing for a showdown they'll cause a bit of a poorly choreographed ruckus, but ultimately meet their fate at the hands of..

Ser Pounce
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Who's been rather ominous in his absence since Season 4, you know when he comes back, some serious shit will go down.
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The feck is that?
 
JustAFan said:
Some guy in Kings Landing who was talking shit about Queen Cersei, he had flashed her during her walk of shame. Obvious establishment of the fact FrankenMountain will kill anyone who does Cersei wrong.
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Ah that was it, aye.
 
Fully Fledged said:
Oberyn Martell in a trial by combat. Oberyn was Tyrion's champion. He was winning but he wanted the Mountain to admit that he raped and killed his sister on the command of Tywin.
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Nah, I meant last night. Never mind though, it's been answered above. Nice try though ;)
 
spontaneus1 said:
Part of the problem about taking it from the books, is they can't fit everything in, where I believe Beric and the brotherhood without banners have a much biiger part? Seem like it won't be in the show though.
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Thanks for that info man. Maybe in later seasons they become relevant again?
 
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