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Yeah but they cant exactly go "yes, hes coming back" given it was the big cliffhanger.
 
Does anyone else feel that the whole Jon Snow thing with the HBO "he's dead" confirmations was a bit like when a shit magician is trying to convince the kids it's in his left hand and they're all pointing at his right hand going "No it's in there mate" before the big reveal.... "TA DA!"

Yeah, we know.

My mate who's solely a TV watcher and doesn't frequent forums to discuss it etc. was convinced he was dead. You'd be suprised at the amount of people thought that was that. Although for me it was definitely one of the worst kept secrets ever. :lol:
 
Ramsey is a proper nutcase! I think we could all see him offing his father at one point but they just straight and did it in the 2nd episode! Even though he's an evil bastard I still find my self rooting for him.

I didn't really like the Jon resurrection scene. It was way to obvious, the ol' doom and gloom followed by the hero coming back from the dead. (in this case literally). It was like Hulk Hogan stuff.

Overall a great episode though, it had a few good laughs in it as well.

The show is so good it has been craving for next weeks episodes.
 
Let's be honest, this show's become utter shite. I know fantasy as a genre is a lot about people travelling from point A to point B but that's usually against the backdrop of some sort of good vs evil narrative. Does anyone even know who's fighting who anymore? It's just a clusterfeck of half-baked storylines - most of which are playing out in slow motion.

Yeah, I do.

Dorne is about to go to war with the Lannisters.

Ramsey Bolton is headed for The Wall to find Sansa.

Daenerys has been sidetracked yet again but is looking to eventually unite an army big enough to set sail with toward King's Landing to take back what she believes is her rightful throne.

The Night's Watch and Wildlings are aware of the imminent threat that the White Walkers bring and will look to convince other factions to realise that they can only be defeated if they work together.

And Littlefinger is somewhere plotting his ambitious plan to control Westeros one day.
 
Is Jon now released from his Nights Watch vows, having "died"?

Is he free to go to Winterfell with Mel and slaughter Ramsey?
 
Is Jon now released from his Nights Watch vows, having "died"?

Is he free to go to Winterfell with Mel and slaughter Ramsey?
I would suppose so, I think he would probably still stay at the Wall though and only leave if it is of utmost urgency. So if Sansa needs help getting the North back he might tag along.
 
Yeah, I do.

Dorne is about to go to war with the Lannisters.

Ramsey Bolton is headed for The Wall to find Sansa.

Daenerys has been sidetracked yet again but is looking to eventually unite an army big enough to set sail with toward King's Landing to take back what she believes is her rightful throne.

The Night's Watch and Wildlings are aware of the imminent threat that the White Walkers bring and will look to convince other factions to realise that they can only be defeated if they work together.

And Littlefinger is somewhere plotting his ambitious plan to control Westeros one day.
You left out the Royalty vs the Sparrows, which is surely going to come to a head soon.
 
Great episode. When Bran was last in the show i was getting bored of his story but i was pretty pumped to see him back.

Had to laugh at the Mountain killing that dude with the minimum of ease and also Wun Wun smashing that dude into the wall and the rest of the nights watch all at once think to themselves "feck going near that big cnut"
 
Your criticism is its too complex for you?

Game of Thrones has always been about morally grey characters with unclear motives doing things for not immediately clear reasons. The precise attraction of it is that its not some cliched good vs evil nonsense.

No my criticism is that it's a bit shit.

The first three - and best - seasons were underpinned by Starks vs Lannisters narrative.
 
No my criticism is that it's a bit shit.

The first three - and best - seasons were underpinned by Starks vs Lannisters narrative.
Definitely the peak of the series for me.

But I thought this episode was very good. After what was a very average season 5 and a poor start to season 6, it was an excellent return to form IMO. All the story arcs went in the direction they needed to, for this season to not be dull as hell.

I do hope we see Arya's story moving faster. Unlike many here, I've always really liked her character.
 
The next episode is called Oathbreaker. So I would assume so ?
Oathbreaker could also be a reference to when Jaime stabbed the Mad King in the back. Potentially seeing a flashback to that
 
No my criticism is that it's a bit shit.

The first three - and best - seasons were underpinned by Starks vs Lannisters narrative.

But literally everything you've complained about was true in the first three seasons too.

I mean I'd agree with you that there's been a quality drop off, although you are vastly overstating it, but everything you've moaned about was as true then as it is now.
 
Ramsey is a proper nutcase! I think we could all see him offing his father at one point but they just straight and did it in the 2nd episode! Even though he's an evil bastard I still find my self rooting for him.

I didn't really like the Jon resurrection scene. It was way to obvious, the ol' doom and gloom followed by the hero coming back from the dead. (in this case literally). It was like Hulk Hogan stuff.

Overall a great episode though, it had a few good laughs in it as well.

The show is so good it has been craving for next weeks episodes.
I actually find Ramsey to be a caracature. His over the top antics sit more with pantomime villan rather than a credible character from an award winning this show.
 
Let's be honest, this show's become utter shite. I know fantasy as a genre is a lot about people travelling from point A to point B but that's usually against the backdrop of some sort of good vs evil narrative. Does anyone even know who's fighting who anymore? It's just a clusterfeck of half-baked storylines - most of which are playing out in slow motion.

The storylines are very clear indeed. How can you be confused? The only unclear things are the things that are meant to be unclear but will become clear as things develop.
 
Something I was wondering about. What's the so-called purpose ("criteria") for bringing someone back from the dead? I mean one can understand if it was only Jon who was brought back because he probably is one of theee main characters in the show.

But for instance, that other guy brought back that Beric dude (or Beric brought back some other guy :lol:) like 10 times, but he's most probably a pretty insignificant character on the show. So what's to stop them trying to ask the Lord of Light to bring back, say Stannis etc?

Or was the previous story arc (Beric or whatever his name was) purely just there to lead up to the Jon resurrection moment?
 
Was I supposed to know who the bloke on the bridge was that killed Theon's old man? I have no idea if he's been in it before or not
 
Was I supposed to know who the bloke on the bridge was that killed Theon's old man? I have no idea if he's been in it before or not

Yeah that bit confused me too. Slightly unsatisfying deaths for the 2 Red Wedding scumbags it has to be said.

Re: The Oathbreaker title. Could be a few things. They often have an episode title and then have it relate to several plot lines at once. They're clever like that.
 
I actually find Ramsey to be a caracature. His over the top antics sit more with pantomime villan rather than a credible character from an award winning this show.

Agreed... nothing he does shocks me anymore because I find him to be too much of a cartoon villain at this point.

All he needs is a moustache to twirl and he'd be complete.
 
Anyway, thought it was a decent episode - much better then last weeks anyway. No Dorne = Less shit apparently.

The Good

- Again, everything at the wall was grand. Enjoyed Dr Onion calling the shots and the wildlings barging in at the last minute - whilst a TV trope - was pretty cool
- The Mountain smashing peoples heads against walls.
- Like Jamie standing up to that religious dude, though the scene did feel a bit unfinished... what happened after the old man left?
- Tyrion and Dragons
- How to make Bran vaguely interesting? Show Winterfell and young Ned Stark apparently.
- Glad they resurrected Jon Snow now as opposed to dragging it out any longer. Everyone knew it was coming, best to get it out the way.

The Bad

- So everything we've seen Danerys do for 5 seasons has basically been undone at this point? What the feck did we waste all our time watching then?
- Why is Theon going? And who was the bloke on the bridge that killed his dad? Seems like he's another religious nut... and if there's one more thing that this show needs...
- Melisandre didn't get her wabs out for no apparent reason... clearly she must have been ill when shooting this weeks episode.
- Arya's snooze fest
- Lord Bolton's death was pretty uninspiring for someone who's been with the show for quite a while... though I concede that was probably the point. Ramsay is just too much of a cartoon villain at this point for me to take too seriously though.
- What's with all the feckin' mad ladz banter this season? Last week it was those Dothraki folks, this week its some random dude to a crowd of people... nice that he got his face smashed in all the same, but the acting/dialgoue was more then a bit crap.
 
@Ijazz17

Or it could just be another episode where Jon is chewing on some ginger biscuits! ;)

Jokes. Stoked he's back.

:lol:

Oathbreaker could also be a reference to when Jaime stabbed the Mad King in the back. Potentially seeing a flashback to that
The Home episode saw them overuse the device to endless levels so maybe there could be multiple oathbreakers ?
 
Yeah that bit confused me too. Slightly unsatisfying deaths for the 2 Red Wedding scumbags it has to be said.

Re: The Oathbreaker title. Could be a few things. They often have an episode title and then have it relate to several plot lines at once. They're clever like that.

It wasn't Walder Frey that was thrown off the bridge. They are at Pyke not at the Twins. It was Theon's father that died, Balon Greyjoy.

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Jon's to do list:
  1. Burn Aliser Thorne at the stake
  2. Melisandre
  3. Kill The Boltons
  4. Kill the White Walkers
  5. Kill the Freys
  6. Kill the Lannisters
  7. Profit?
 
Wonder if Mel will get her mojo back after she sees Jon alive next week? I also wonder if the writers are aware of how unclear the Stannis situation is to the average viewer.

No coincidence that this weeks episode included no Sandsnakes or Dany and was all the better for it.

I think we can expect quite a few more stacked (approaching rushed even) episodes as they try to tie up all the loose ends in the final 2 seasons.