Yeah, I don't get the Stannis thing either. First of all, is he really dead? And secondly, can't Mel bring him back as well ? I don't know the logistics of it all, but it's been bugging me since the episode.
Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended
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I try not to think about Stannis... otherwise I remember that this show had a main character for 4 seasons, that we were told is the "greatest living war strategist" (or something to that effect), that basically didn't really end up doing anything, never won any battles, and died with a whimper...
He defeated the Wildlings
He didn't really... from what I remember he marched in when the battle had stopped and the Wildlings had failed to breach Castle Black. So I suppose he prevented the battle from continuing (assuming Jon Snow wouldn't have talked them round) but he didn't really "defeat" them as such.
Something I was wondering about. What's the so-called purpose ("criteria") for bringing someone back from the dead? I mean one can understand if it was only Jon who was brought back because he probably is one of theee main characters in the show.
But for instance, that other guy brought back that Beric dude (or Beric brought back some other guy) like 10 times, but he's most probably a pretty insignificant character on the show. So what's to stop them trying to ask the Lord of Light to bring back, say Stannis etc?
Or was the previous story arc (Beric or whatever his name was) purely just there to lead up to the Jon resurrection moment?
I thought that they've done a good job with the whole magic thing. After all, it's all about religion(s) and therefore it would be wrong to go all scientific about it and try to explain every tiny detail. Religion is all about faith and tbf most of us were hoping for Jon's resurrection.
My guess is that, as in any real religion, the priests perform the ritual and it's up to the Lord of Light to answer their prayers. He answers to none and people try to figure out what his master plan is. Mel has her doubts because what she though was the master plan proved to be wrong. But in general, it's like asking why didn't Jesus resurrect anyone else besides Lazarus. Men of the church will tell you that it was God's plan all along, you either buy into it or not.
Very true TRDA. Makes a lot of sense. I guess I need some more lessons in strengthening my (own) faith
Yeah Roose said last week that he was found dead and asked Ramsey did he know who had done it.
From memory the Wildlings were weakened but still a threat.
In my view, the whole point about Stannis and his failures is that despite his
a) claim to the throne
b) military acumen (supposed)
c) strength of army
d) Religious zeal
He doesn't have the street smarts & cunning to win the "game".
There are no real defences on the south side of the wall and the Watch doesn't have the numbers to man what is there.
It wasn't Walder Frey that was thrown off the bridge. There are at Pyke not at the Twins. It was Theon's father that died, Balon Greyjoy.
wtfTotally agree on Stannis. Found his arc rather amusing. So much screen-time, so much build up and by the end such little fecks were given.
Trailer is spoiler for the next episode. The last episode should be OK to talk about though? Surely?
Yep, you can.
Her brother was taken from the Red Keep.
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And Cersei was paraded naked through the streets. Right up to the gates of the Red Keep.
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Davos asking Mel to bring back Jon Snow is ridiculous. Why would he care so much about Jon? He barely knew him!
While I'm excited Jon is back, the whole resurrection scene was weak.
While I'm excited Jon is back, the whole resurrection scene was weak.
He failed in the most important part of any military campaign, logistics. He got done in by the weather he was unprepared for, sort of like a few armies we know about in our history. He also was never able to attract a wide enough base of support to give him a large enough army to make any difference in the Seven Kingdoms. No surprise he got defeated.
you might want to watch the battle again, the Watch was in deep trouble that day.
Not really, it has been well established that Castle Black is not defended from the south very well. Remember when Jon and the other Wildlings climbed the wall with the intentions of attacking the Castle from the south side while the main army attacked from the Wall side? The whole idea behind that (and it was mentioned several times) is that Castle Black is not fortified as heavily to an attack from the South, and the Nights Watch is low on men.
He's new, but it was pretty well described for you, who he is.
The one thing i'm not quite sure about is why the wildlings chose to attack castle black from the south. I might have missed something, but did they know Jon was dead? Or were they trying to take over regardless of who was in charge just when they'd found safety?
Davos and Edd were discussing their chances and they thought of the wildlings. Edd met with the wildlings and convinced them to help them out.
Ah course, must have totally missed that bit. I forgot Edd was with them!
Part of me thinks that GRRM decided his storyline up to that point and when he stopped being involved, the new decision makers couldn't care less about Stannis and just wanted to kill him off asap.
I've thought that would be the best result for her for a while now. She's portrayed as a potential savour for common people but her ambition to be queen is rooted in her mad Dad's bloodline, her pack of fire breathing monsters, her army of formerly enslaved eunuchs and her mad brother's obsession. She's never even seen Westeros afaik. If she went to Westeros, it'd be as a foreign conqueror not a liberator.
Plus it's too obvious. Everytime she looks like she's in trouble, something bails her out. Her becoming queen would be a bit of an anti climax imo. I'm hoping her current storyline doesn't result in her just becoming Queen of all Dothraki because dragons (or something).
Yeah it was quite cringey. "Can you revive him? - No - You sure? - Yeah, can't be done - Please... - Alright, I'll try."... Erm, what? Why?
The whole process as well. What the feck was all that with the hair and cleaning up the body about? Couldn't have used any more cliches in that scene even if they wanted to. The stares, the "please" etc - it all seemed very fake.
That said, I'm just glad that's over with. I didn't have any expectations for that scene anyway. More exciting things are about to come.
I've actually forgotten why Davos cares about Snow so much.
I don't know either. Can't seem to remember they ever interacting before.
I don't have a problem with it being magic and not scientifically explained. However, it's already established that magic in this universe is not like Harry Potter or LOTR - it's messy, ugly, dangerous and always has a cost. That was the point of all those rituals and sacrifices we saw Mel (and others) doing in the previous seasons. Only death can pay for life.
Obviously that could still be the case with Jon, we'll see. I'll be disappointed if that's all though - she says please, he's alive and everybody goes about his business.
Well if it's like Beric Dondarrion, apparently he lost a bit of himself every time he was resurrected. What will John snow lose?
Yeah i was talking about this to someone this morning... maybe he'll loose all sense of decency and become a maniac. That'll piss a few Jon fans off haha
Maybe it's just a respect thing
Was there ever a reason mentioned? Maybe just because of the Stark links?
Davos sent the one Nights Watch guy to get help. Remember he mentioned there is one group who owe loyalty to Jon and sent one of the Nights Watch guys to go get the help.
Maybe his moral compass will have an adjustment lol he has always been too worried about doing the right thing...was thinking that the oath breakers will be all of the guys at the wall following him to winter fell...
Ha yeah, someone mentioned it... totally had a blank spot for a minute!
Anyway, thought it was a decent episode - much better then last weeks anyway. No Dorne = Less shit apparently.
The Good
- Again, everything at the wall was grand. Enjoyed Dr Onion calling the shots and the wildlings barging in at the last minute - whilst a TV trope - was pretty cool
- The Mountain smashing peoples heads against walls.
- Like Jamie standing up to that religious dude, though the scene did feel a bit unfinished... what happened after the old man left?
- Tyrion and Dragons
- How to make Bran vaguely interesting? Show Winterfell and young Ned Stark apparently.
- Glad they resurrected Jon Snow now as opposed to dragging it out any longer. Everyone knew it was coming, best to get it out the way.
The Bad
- So everything we've seen Danerys do for 5 seasons has basically been undone at this point? What the feck did we waste all our time watching then?
It's episode two, relax. And it's not like there isn't another family with a huge navy that could possibly help her out and make themselves relevant to the overall plot ...
- Why is Theon going? And who was the bloke on the bridge that killed his dad? Seems like he's another religious nut... and if there's one more thing that this show needs...
You mean the guy who called Balon "brother" 3 or 4 times? I wonder what relation he has to him .....
- Melisandre didn't get her wabs out for no apparent reason... clearly she must have been ill when shooting this weeks episode.
Mad Lad Bantz
- Arya's snooze fest
I can see how people aren't enjoying this sub plot, personally I'm interested
- Lord Bolton's death was pretty uninspiring for someone who's been with the show for quite a while... though I concede that was probably the point. Ramsay is just too much of a cartoon villain at this point for me to take too seriously though.
I thought it was pretty apt that he died similar to how he killed Robb Stark, up close, knife to the heart.
- What's with all the feckin' mad ladz banter this season? Last week it was those Dothraki folks, this week its some random dude to a crowd of people... nice that he got his face smashed in all the same, but the acting/dialgoue was more then a bit crap.
To appeal to people like yourself?
You're posts always come across as so nit picky and/or you weren't paying attention.
Personally, this is one of the things I like about GoT. That first season when Ned got beheaded, I was sure someone would arrive before the sword came down on him. Then again, I should've expected that because Sean Bean was the actor.
Stannis was big fan of Jon. Davos saw this, and seeing how much he respected Stannis, probably came to the conclusion that Jon had something. Besides, he'd have to have at least heard stories of how Jon lead the Night's Watch in battle against the Wildlings and the White Walkers. Also helps that he is Ned Stark's son, who was well known as an honorable man.
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I personally do and don't. I generally like shows/movies not pandering to the obvious desire. But I do also, naturally, like seeing more of the most interesting characters. I think both aspects can co-exist. I guess I just disagree with the writer on who the most interesting characters were.Personally, this is one of the things I like about GoT. That first season when Ned got beheaded, I was sure someone would arrive before the sword came down on him. Then again, I should've expected that because Sean Bean was the actor.
Aren't most criticisms in this thread a form of nitpicking?
Still, I don't see how the show telling us that everything we've seen Danerys do has now almost all been undone isn't something to nitpick. We've spent so long watching her "change the world" and now we learn all those changes mean nought? How is that not an issue?
I realised he was Balon's brother, what I mean is - who is he in terms of have we met him before the shoe? Did we know Balon had a brother? What were his motivations (he was largely talking in riddles) and what was with all the religious stuff? Yes, I am aware future episodes will explain stuff, but I'm not too psyched about another religious nut in the show (which is the impression I got from the scene).
I don't think you can compare Rob's death, in terms of build up and impact to Lord Bolton's... As others I/others said, Ramsey is too much of a cardboard villain for me, and his father offered a bit more nuiance/layers, so its a shame to see him leave the show in general.
Those Dothraki folks talking about abusing Danerys last episode was both poorly written and both poorly acted... it felt completely out of place and was largely terrible. That's not a nitpick, that is an opinion. Similarly, the bloke making a random speech in some Kings Landing cafe was both poorly written and poorly acted. This is also opinion and guess what this thread is for?