Fair enough, just seemed like a cheap "shock" to me.
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I do (although I only discovered that this year and was v surprised by it). So is the North and the Wall while Braavos is in Essos.
Not really sure why I categorised them like that?
Ah ok. You are right though, Oberyn was easily likeable, but none of the others are. We need some better character development as Dorne is likely to play a big part in the battlw for Westeros.
From the absolute crescendo that was the final 4 or 5 episodes of the last series, possibly the best TV content ever made, I was quite disappointed by this 1st episode of this latest series.
It felt like they were simply answered a few questions from the last series and introduced a few new characters, there was no real action or cliff hanger and no real story development.
Do they still have the same writers as last time? Is a tough act to follow the best ever: am.nor sure they can ever beat Cerci's walk of shame.
It felt like they were simply answered a few questions from the last series and introduced a few new characters, there was no real action or cliff hanger and no real story development.
Do they still have the same writers as last time? Is a tough act to follow the best ever: am.nor sure they can ever beat Cerci's walk of shame.
They have a lot to wrap up from last season. I'm thinking they're setting it up for an early climax before the usual episode 9ish one, sort of like season 4 with the purple wedding.
Does every episode have to have a cliff hanger?
Does "answered a few questions from the last series and introduced a few new characters" not count as story development?
Sounds like every opening episode of a new season of anything.
And does Mellisandre turning into a droopy titted, saggy fannied old woman not count as a bit of a cliffhanger?
...a Bliff-hanger if you will.
Yeah that's pretty standard, look back at the past seasons, the first episodes have all been pretty low key. They gotta start somewhere
There was plenty to keep me interested though, i thought it was a good episode.
I was a bit bored with the whole Dothraki stuff though. There was only ever one interesting Dothraki character, and compared to Drogo, this new Khal seems a bit of a let down. Getting outsmarted by those guys in public for example, all a bit monty python.
Are we expecting to see Jon come back this season or will it happen next season ? It is becoming a bit boring otherwise.
How can he come back though now? You'd think he'd have been dead too long for the Red Woman to bring him back to life? The forest guy looked like he had to do it straight away. The only other option is zombie Jon... guess they've not burnt his body yet.
It wouls seem a bit silly to wait a whole season to bring him back, but who knows.
The Mountain was dead for a while whilst the Maester brought him back
I'm just afraid of a Bran type complete season disappearance.
We don't really know that. He was dying for a very long time. When Qyburn starts working on him, he's certainly still alive. His actual death is never witnessed, I believe.
mmm maybe... chances of frankenjon just lessened with that statement
Not sure if he was dead - it looked like he was barely alive (and deadly wounded) and the Maester cured him (with some side-effects, of course). So it's not really a magic act, but a "scientific" one, hence the longevity of the process.
Jon is dead - and his only hope is Lord of Light/White walkers resurrection, which happens in a moment, like we've seen already.
you surely cannot be serious with that statement.
I honestly thought is was some of the best TV drama Id ever watched. I was rudely engaged and entertained.
I'm shit at names, but that made me laugh.
I miss Littlefinger. Him and Tyrion are the show's two best characters.
Ah ok thanks, i thought he was dead. Perhaps if i get the dvd i will re-watch.
Who would win, FrankenSnow, FireSnow or WhiteWalkingSnow?
I think they'll break out of Castle Black and go find that Thoros guy because Melisandre is too weak, or she'll somehow sacrifice herself. As Jaqen told Arya, 'Only death can pay for life.'
I hope you were watching alone.
I agree, think she's a fantastic young actress, great character, she's probably gonna turn in to a mega assassin, and this being blind thing is just a part of her training, maybe she regains her sight and gets to complete her list. I hope.
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It's not like G. R. R. Martin have something against incest
Nope
There is another I think. Maybe.
I'm not sure if it's such a great thing if it happens for sake of it rather than in a well thought out way. When Ned lost his head in season one, it was both shocking and truely important for the progression of the story. It added so much development to characters around him, it kicked off the different storylines of his children and changed the tone in King's Landing, especially developed Joffrey's character and the difficult relationship between him and his mother.
Ever since the big shock moments became more and more meaningless for the overall story. Most of the time they just kill off a character whose story ran into nowhere or just flat out end a storyline without any conclusion. Most of the conventions in writing and television drama actually exist for a reason and if you start killing well developed characters for the sake of it without replacing them with equally important and interesting characters, you just lose quality and it's poor writing. Even the red wedding is somewhat guilty of that, because the Bolton storyline is so poorly developed and told that at least for me it still leaves a sour taste. Yes, the moment was great and surprising and shocking. But that's it, a quick fix with no substance to it and the trade off with what we got instead wasn't worth it. It was entirely different with Ned's death in season one.
Even the minor shock moments seem much more meaningless in latter seasons than in previous ones, an obvious example would be Bran's injuries compared to Arya losing her sight. The former was a fascinating moment, an interesting piece of storytelling with a big impact to many different characters and the story. Arya going blind just seems shocking for the sake of it and has no connection to anything else.
Whatever happens to Jon or follows Jon's death better be worth it, because it really can break the show, turn it into a silly soap opera for good or actually get back on track with a fascinating story, that temporarily lost its way with many silly sideplots. At the moment, I really can't see the latter happening, because the overall writing in almost all plots has become really poor.
I am almost 100% sure they are going to find some way to bring him back. They've given all the clues that he will, and if he's going to come back it has to be this season. Every episode 9 of a game of thrones season is normally the one where the most action happens so I wouldn't be suprised if Jon is back in that episode or even before. If he comes back as a wight or some other 'dead' character I'll be so disappointed.
Yarrr... he be back soon of that ye be mighty sure.
Yeah i'm just not sure, i'm kinda going towards the side of he's dead and gone as that character. And even if he does come back, it won't be as himself.
It'll be interesting to see what they come up with though.
Snow is as pissy wet as Peter Parker. He should come back as a berserker that they have to keep in chains.
If he comes back, he'll know thats he's cheated death and I fully expect him to turn utterly badass and avoid the same mistake. Both him and Rob Stark were ultimately naive and it cost them their lives. He should walk around with a bodyguard and kill people he doesn't trust. Wasn't that what Stannis told him to do last season?
Don't ask me. I have the memory of a goldfish.
IF Snow really was dead they would have burnt/buried him by now. They've left the door wide open for something to happen, I bet the wildings who storm castle black will save him, and have some sort of magic that can revive him, but with a consequence perhaps.
Yeah it is a bit weird that they didn't quickly burn him like everyone else the next day... but it wouldn't be the biggest surprise if they were just messing with our heads, and burn him in a couple of episodes time!
They're locked in a room with him. In a house made of wood, no less. Hardly the the best decision to burn him right now.
Yeah but he was long dead when they found him in the courtyard... why bother moving the body. I know it's probably respect and all that, but when he can jump up and start trying to eat their faces like the other guy, why take that risk?