Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

Guy Incognito said:
I thought it was a typical season opener. Some closure, essentially groundwork laid for the rest of the season.

The necklace could be a red herring.....the potion might be the key.

Wonder if 'old' Melisandre *shudders* is that fortune teller we saw from last season? Moggy or Maggy? :confused:
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Just rewatched that scene and
Maggy wasn't wearing the necklace. It seems that the fortune telling witch draws her power from blood rather than fire
 
diarm said:
The two sand snakes were standing with their mother and sister on the pier as Jaime, Trystane and soon to be dead Myrcelle set sail. Clearly their plan was already in action so I imagine, those two got in another boat immediately and set sail for Kings Landing. They could have followed out of sight and arrived no longer than an hour or so after Jaime et al.

Then Jaime arrives, and goes straight up to tell Cersei the bad news. Sensibly, he leaves Trystane on the boat rather than letting him anywhere near Cersei. The two girls sneak onto the boat and murder the silly young fella. His idiocy in turning his back on the one with the spear just further emphasises Ellaria's belief that they are weak and naive.
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See that makes sense, BUt it wasnt even obvious where Trystane was. TBH, I cant even remember him getting on a boat or it being mentioned (but it looked like a boat). Did they mention him getting on the same boat as Jamie? If so, why wasnt he there or anywhere during her death. Or even mourning it?

And if it was another boat, why wasnt that made clear?

Welsh Wonder said:
See I find the opposite - I find that she's absolutely awful when she's speaking English.
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Im with you on that. She sounds more authoritative speaking another language than in English.

"WHERE ARE MY DRAGONS?" i actually laughed at that.

R. Lim said:
Am I the only one who's looking forward to Arya's character development?
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As long as by the end of the next episode, shes now on Daredevil type skills. 4 more eps of her being beaten with a stick until she manages to block one would be annoying.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Really? I find her to be incredibly pathetic.
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Nah, I like her character. Started off so wet and shes been through so much and yet shes still alive. She's so important as well in the great scheme of things. So her going to the wall and having Brienne, Davos, hopefully Jon Snow and a Wildling army to keep her safe. Then consider her having an ally with Theon who could easily unite the Starks and Greyjoys to take on a common enemy in the Boltons. Then consider that the Boltons have many enemies in the North and many still consider the Starks as the rightful wardens of the North. Theres a reason why the Lannisters and Boltons wanted to wed Sansa off. Shes a very important character now.
 
Sylar said:
See that makes sense, BUt it wasnt even obvious where Trystane was. TBH, I cant even remember him getting on a boat or it being mentioned (but it looked like a boat). Did they mention him getting on the same boat as Jamie? If so, why wasnt he there or anywhere during her death. Or even mourning it?

And if it was another boat, why wasnt that made clear?
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I believe it was mentioned that Trystane would be travelling with Jamie and Myracella back to Kings Landing. The wedding was still on.

He was not there during her death, one can assume because Jamie wanted to have a quiet, private talk with her in whoever's cabin that was. When Trystane was killed her was hand painting the rocks that would be placed on Myracella's eyes at her funeral, that I suppose was supposed to be a sign of him mourning. There really would have been no need for a separate scene showing him crying over the death as he heard about it.

HE was on the same boat Jamie sailed on, the Sand Snakes most likely sailed on a 2nd ship soon after the one with Jamie, Myracella and Trystane set sail.

Could they have shown all this, sure. Could they also let the audience figure it out themselves without have to do a tedious shot showing the Sand Snakes getting on board a ship and following Jamie and gang? A shot which would have been a dead give away at what was to come.

Or they just used a teleporter. I am not sure which.
 
Sylar said:
See that makes sense, BUt it wasnt even obvious where Trystane was. TBH, I cant even remember him getting on a boat or it being mentioned (but it looked like a boat). Did they mention him getting on the same boat as Jamie? If so, why wasnt he there or anywhere during her death. Or even mourning it?
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Yes, I believe at the end of last season it was established that he will be coming with them. That was the agreement.

The stones he was painting when the pussay patrol came in were funeral stones. Presumably for Myrcella.
 
Dante said:
If Jon Snow come back to life as a puppet of some other person (Melisandre or the White Walkers or Bran or whomever), it would be the least GoT thing ever.

The great thing about this show is that it defies the long held conventions of television drama.

Bringing back the character just so the actor can stay on the show would be a terrible thing to do. I, for one, hope that GRRM sticks to his book writing principles and gives no fecks about the popularity of Kit Harrington.
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It used to but that was because it followed the story of the books, which was exceptional and unconventional in itself (compared to TV shows at least). Now that the writers have more freedom they are basically using every cliche there ever was on TV. Expect more, as the show progresses beyond the books story.
 
RedSky said:
Sansa ;)

She's been getting better and better imo.
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Agreed, I couldn't stand her for the first few seasons and she's now fast becoming one of my favourite characters!
 
RedSky said:
Nah, I like her character. Started off so wet and shes been through so much and yet shes still alive. She's so important as well in the great scheme of things. So her going to the wall and having Brienne, Davos, hopefully Jon Snow and a Wildling army to keep her safe. Then consider her having an ally with Theon who could easily unite the Starks and Greyjoys to take on a common enemy in the Boltons. Then consider that the Boltons have many enemies in the North and many still consider the Starks as the rightful wardens of the North. Theres a reason why the Lannisters and Boltons wanted to wed Sansa off. Shes a very important character now.
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Never because of her own doing. She always needs to be saved.
 
Scarecrow said:
Whip pussay: "You're a greedy bitch, you know that?!"

This was so out of place. Like it was from a cheap action-comedy flick. I'm still cringing. It's not only bad because of the line itself and the delivery, but the entire situation was absurd. They just murdered their relative with whom they grew up and had absolutely no justification for killing. It would've been somewhat acceptable in the grand scheme of things had they portrayed it as a difficult decision they had to make for the greater good, like the Snow assassination. But this... Ugh.

I actually don't think viewers realize how bad this whole storyline is. Everyone is slagging it off for the plot holes and the awful acting and dialogue but it still doesn't get anywhere near enough slack. This is a sackable offense from the writers, seriously. The scarce reasoning and motives they've presented to justify their made-up characters' actions are laughable.
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Yeah, that was my first thought. Who the hell thought that line fit in with the show? To top it off, after that line, you had the poor man's Michelle Rodriguez smirking like she was some sort of badass for killing someone with their back turned to her.

The Dornish guards with their faces of contempt as Oberyn's paramour told Doran how his people were disgusted by him did better acting in those couple of seconds than the Sand Snakes ever did.
 
Sylar said:
See that makes sense, BUt it wasnt even obvious where Trystane was. TBH, I cant even remember him getting on a boat or it being mentioned (but it looked like a boat). Did they mention him getting on the same boat as Jamie? If so, why wasnt he there or anywhere during her death. Or even mourning it?

And if it was another boat, why wasnt that made clear?
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Sure at the end of Season 5, didn't his dad tell Jaime that Trystane was to return with them and take Oberyn's seat on the small council? He got on the boat with Myrcelle just before the worst line in the history of television "you want a good girl but you need a bad pussy".

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Edit: Sorry, just saw the other comments on this same thing. I started this comment before I had to chase the dog around the garden for half an hour after he got hold of the washing line!
 
Dirty Schwein said:
Never because of her own doing. She always needs to be saved.
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A real person would have depression from what she's been through. Just surviving and not wanting to kill herself is an achievement on its own, considering most of her family was killed by the people she was improsined by. Oh and when she finally gets away, she meets another charmer. How dare her she needs to be saved. It's not like she was supposed to be hated and a cliché during the first season.
 
Thanks @JustAFan @Scarecrow @diarm

The funny thing, I wasnt even "that" bothered by them appearing on the boat (even though I asked the questions in here lol). I had a feeling him being on the boat must have been mentioned but I just cant remember it and didnt fancy watching that episode again on its own.

I was more bothered by Trystane turning his back on somebody that already said was one of two to kill him.

TBH, I think he chose the right person to fight. How the feck is she going to use the whip effectively in an enclosed area like they were in? But it just doesnt make sense why he would turn his back. haha

Dorne = Yawn to me.

But I am looking forward to the next episode. Hopefully Bran is the majority of it
 
Sylar said:
I was more bothered by Trystane turning his back on somebody that already said was one of two to kill him.

TBH, I think he chose the right person to fight. How the feck is she going to use the whip effectively in an enclosed area like they were in? But it just doesnt make sense why he would turn his back. haha
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Yeah it was bad writing in order to create a false shock "omg" moment. Weak.
 
bucky said:
A real person would have depression from what she's been through. Just surviving and not wanting to kill herself is an achievement on its own, considering most of her family was killed by the people she was improsined by. Oh and when she finally gets away, she meets another charmer. How dare her she needs to be saved. It's not like she was supposed to be hated and a cliché during the first season.
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She's also roughly 14 years old.
 
Sylar said:
Thanks @JustAFan @Scarecrow @diarm

The funny thing, I wasnt even "that" bothered by them appearing on the boat (even though I asked the questions in here lol). I had a feeling him being on the boat must have been mentioned but I just cant remember it and didnt fancy watching that episode again on its own.

I was more bothered by Trystane turning his back on somebody that already said was one of two to kill him.

TBH, I think he chose the right person to fight. How the feck is she going to use the whip effectively in an enclosed area like they were in? But it just doesnt make sense why he would turn his back. haha

Dorne = Yawn to me.

But I am looking forward to the next episode. Hopefully Bran is the majority of it
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As far as turning his back, with the position of the two possible opponents, he was going to have to be facing away from one of them. At some point his attention has to go to the one he is believing he has to fight and that is when the other would have struck.
 
GloryHunter07 said:
Yeah it was bad writing in order to create a false shock "omg" moment. Weak.
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You lot are impossible. Ye all complain that the Dorne storyline is badly written and explained.

The whole reason for Elaria and her daughters want to overthrow Doran and Trystane is because they think they're weak and cowing to the family who killed their daughter/sister and son/brother.

Then when Trystane dies by being weak in a combat situation, you all think it's unrealistic. I'd be far more concerned by how that massive black chap who handled Bronn like a schoolgirl, got taken down with one thrust from that nymoho Sinead O'Connor bird
 
So who's in the next line of succession in Dorne? One of the Sand Snakes? With them being bastards, I don't think that's possible.

diarm said:
You lot are impossible. Ye all complain that the Dorne storyline is badly written and explained.

The whole reason for Elaria and her daughters want to overthrow Doran and Trystane is because they think they're weak and cowing to the family who killed their daughter/sister and son/brother.

Then when Trystane dies by being weak in a combat situation, you all think it's unrealistic. I'd be far more concerned by how that massive black chap who handled Bronn like a schoolgirl, got taken down with one thrust from that nymoho Sinead O'Connor bird
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I have no problem with this, to be honest. No matter how badass you are, getting your spinal cord separated with a knife to the back is pretty conclusive.
 
Not sure I agree on the Trystane turning his back being illogical thing, when his dad was being killed what's her vagina said he was weak and sheltered, don't think it's too far a stretch that he would be a bit daft in proper combat.

The whip in the enclosed space was much dafter.

Impulse said:
Davos told him to go back to King's Landing.
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That sounds familiar, he must have got lost.
 
Ivor Ballokov said:
That's not really how a coup works. If they have the will of the people and the military on their side then they could well be in charge now.
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And it's clearly stated in season five by Ellaria that the people of Dorne want revenge and are ready to go to war with the Lannisters. And then Prince Doran says something to the effect of "well, thankfully the people of Dorne do not decide".
 
Ivor Ballokov said:
That's not really how a coup works. If they have the will of the people and the military on their side then they could well be in charge now.
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Ah, I see. Basically Dorne are having a "King in the North" moment. A shittier version though.

Oberyn "we don't kill little girls in Dorne" Martell must be rolling in his grave. His death is being avenged by killing his brother, nephew and the little Lannister girl. The Dorne plot has little of the substance, character development and subtlety of the earlier seasons of the show.
 
DatIrishFella said:
And it's clearly stated in season five by Ellaria that the people of Dorne want revenge and are ready to go to war with the Lannisters. And then Prince Doran says something to the effect of "well, thankfully the people of Dorne do not decide".
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I'd forgotten about that and I only re-watched season 5 a few weeks back, shows how memorable dorne is I suppose. It definitely confirms my thinking, looks like the Lannister's are going to war.

NinjaZombie said:
Ah, I see. Basically Dorne are having a "King in the North" moment. A shittier version though.

Oberyn "we don't kill little girls in Dorne" Martell must be rolling in his grave. His death is being avenged by killing his brother, nephew and the little Lannister girl. The Dorne plot has little of the substance, character development and subtlety of the earlier seasons of the show.
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Yeah pretty much, it'll be interesting to see if the two sand snakes in King's Landing are intent on doing anymore damage.
 
The big problem with Dorne, if it is to be a massive player in the storyline, is that we don't really give a shit about any of the characters. In Essos we care about Danaerys, Jorah, Greyworm, Messinde, and now Varys and Tyrion too. In Westeros you have the Starks, the Lannisters and all the other players. Up north we have Jon, Davos, Bran and more. Bravos - Arya.

We care about these because the characters were well developed - the only Martell they developed properly was Oberyn and they killed him off. At the time, Ellaria Sand seemed like an afterthought and a bit part player in the Oberyn story. If they had given 20 minutes in one episode to developing her character better, it would have paid out tenfold later in the series.
 
Dorne would be the closest jumping off point if Blondie ever decides to leave Essos. Maybe that's why we have to spend so much time down there.
 
Organic Potatoes said:
Dorne would be the closest jumping off point if Blondie ever decides to leave Essos. Maybe that's why we have to spend so much time down there.
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Indeed. And as much as she spoke about breaking the wheel last year, she's hardly going to move on Westeros without any of the big families at her side. The Martells, maybe the Tyrells and what's left of the Starks make most sense.
 
Scarecrow said:
Whip pussay: "You're a greedy bitch, you know that?!"

This was so out of place. Like it was from a cheap action-comedy flick. I'm still cringing. It's not only bad because of the line itself and the delivery, but the entire situation was absurd. They just murdered their relative with whom they grew up and had absolutely no justification for killing. It would've been somewhat acceptable in the grand scheme of things had they portrayed it as a difficult decision they had to make for the greater good, like the Snow assassination. But this... Ugh.

I actually don't think viewers realize how bad this whole storyline is. Everyone is slagging it off for the plot holes and the awful acting and dialogue but it still doesn't get anywhere near enough slack. This is a sackable offense from the writers, seriously. The scarce reasoning and motives they've presented to justify their made-up characters' actions are laughable.
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Totally agree. I saw a clip on TV of George RR Martin talking about the death of Ned Stark, in the context of the 'most shocking moments' of the series. He mentioned that he tries to make things a realistic as possible (albeit in a fantasy world) and that this 'isn't Robin Hood' where a few men would jump over the wall and rescue him somehow. The sandsnakes seem to totally go against that, ever since we first saw them.
 
RedSky said:
Nah, I like her character. Started off so wet and shes been through so much and yet shes still alive. She's so important as well in the great scheme of things. So her going to the wall and having Brienne, Davos, hopefully Jon Snow and a Wildling army to keep her safe. Then consider her having an ally with Theon who could easily unite the Starks and Greyjoys to take on a common enemy in the Boltons. Then consider that the Boltons have many enemies in the North and many still consider the Starks as the rightful wardens of the North. Theres a reason why the Lannisters and Boltons wanted to wed Sansa off. Shes a very important character now.
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For some reason, I'm really intrigued by the inevitable reunion of Sansa and Arya. They were complete opposites who didn't get along when younger. Be curious to see how they'd interact now as they're older and after all the shite they've both gone through.
 
diarm said:
You lot are impossible. Ye all complain that the Dorne storyline is badly written and explained.

The whole reason for Elaria and her daughters want to overthrow Doran and Trystane is because they think they're weak and cowing to the family who killed their daughter/sister and son/brother.

Then when Trystane dies by being weak in a combat situation, you all think it's unrealistic. I'd be far more concerned by how that massive black chap who handled Bronn like a schoolgirl, got taken down with one thrust from that nymoho Sinead O'Connor bird
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So you think it is plausible that someone would turn their back on an armed person who two seconds ago told them they would kill them? Im not a serial GOT complainer unlike some, but that was silly. As was the bit you identified.
 
diarm said:
The big problem with Dorne, if it is to be a massive player in the storyline, is that we don't really give a shit about any of the characters. In Essos we care about Danaerys, Jorah, Greyworm, Messinde, and now Varys and Tyrion too. In Westeros you have the Starks, the Lannisters and all the other players. Up north we have Jon, Davos, Bran and more. Bravos - Arya.

We care about these because the characters were well developed - the only Martell they developed properly was Oberyn and they killed him off. At the time, Ellaria Sand seemed like an afterthought and a bit part player in the Oberyn story. If they had given 20 minutes in one episode to developing her character better, it would have paid out tenfold later in the series.
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Just being picky, but you know Dorne is in Westeros right?
 
@DatIrishFella i think that video should come with a strong health warning at least. Lots of book stuff which isn't supposed to be discussed in this thread. But im not a mod so, whatever.
 
GloryHunter07 said:
So you think it is plausible that someone would turn their back on an armed person who two seconds ago told them they would kill them? Im not a serial GOT complainer unlike some, but that was silly. As was the bit you identified.
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Tbf the implication of the conversation they had with him was that he could pick who to fight. He turned his back on the one with the spear because he wasn't expecting her to cheat, basically. Which is certainly stupid on his part but at least in keeping with the general GOT theme of people who rely on things like honour getting brutally done in by people who don't.
 
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