Isn't GRRM providing the story arcs for the show anyways ? I thought the direction the book takes and one the show was going to deviate with very different endings for both. Or had I dreamt reading that somewhere ?
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I am not being pedantic. I am pointing out the fact that the director made it a point to show the height of the leap and left the shot as soon as the pair jumped off. If it was nothing to be concerned with, why leave it midway and leave the viewers in suspense if they survived the jump. Your comparison to whitewalkers and dragons was daft as I am not talking about just the physics side of it but how the whole scene was showed.
I think he's probably given a detailed outlining to the story arc for each character. But it's not the same as the creator writing two huge books and thinking through every single plot detail to the point of exhaustion.
Personally I think most TV Writers are terrible. They come up with scenes but don't think of the wider context, they don't add any realism and instead use terrible devices to keep the audience guessing. The only section they've invented which worked really well was Hardhome and that didn't overly require much writing it was after all mostly a battle. It was however very well done and exciting, thats what they do well. But writing a complicated show like this is a difficult skill.
I think he's provided them with an outline of what could/may happen but has no involvement with the show any more.
I do agree... you have to just accept there's going to be holes, suspend that need to look for them, sit back and enjoy the ride with most tv shows.
But... it was a high jump
To be fair to them, I wonder if they're under constant pressure to provide cliffhanger-type scenarios (in order to draw-in viewers with the resulting excitement/tension) even if they haven't actually worked out how to resolve them: for example, Sherlock's faked suicide.
Is this your first TV Programme?
Oh certainly. I'm sure they get pressured into doing all kinds of crap and perhaps scenes which were written in to explain parts have been edited out. But having said that, I look at a show like Walking Dead which has some of the worst writing I've seen on a TV Show and it does make you wonder how so many people make it. It was the same with Lost, the writing on that show was interesting at the start but soon become a farce. Some of the scenes in GoT fit the same pattern.
Yeah. I think a lot of the issues with shows like Lost are that decisions are forced on the writers, such as extending the series. I'm sure i read somewhere that because it was so successful, they were forced to write new episodes to extend it from like 3/4 to 6. Hence all the crap in there.
Oh, thanks RS and WW! I do feel a little sorry for the writers though. Imagine having to follow that up! The more I think about it, the more I fear for this season. If it is seen as worse than Season 5, this show is pretty much over imo.
Yeah, that's true with Lost and Prison break as well if I am not mistaken. It happens to plenty of shows really. But HBO tend to have it standardized for all their shows. 10 Episodes per season. No more, no less. So can't really blame this on the network.
I love the fact that he did not just jump from a 9-floor building, he set himself on fire because it, obviously, wasn't dangerous enoughcrazy Russians. Where's the head-cam footage?
There is another video, when the guy jumped from 120-meters tower and his parachute didn't open. Somehow he even survived, even though he broke every bone in his body
So yeah, snow does miraculous things if you are lucky.
To be fair, GoT could screen an entire episode with the camera angle fixed onto a giant shit for 40 minutes, and we would all still tune in the following week just to see if it dies.
I think the problem is that the writing from S1-4 was very intelligent and carefully crafted as they knew exactly where the plot was going and had thousands of pages of source material to pour over. It's probably going to get a little more sloppy now a bit like the whole Dorne storyline so far has imo been by far the weakest section of the show. But it's hard to go totally wrong given how well the characters have been developed to this point. I would say its a very different writing skill to go from reading and converting text for tv compatibility to completely inventing scenes and characters from scratch.
Also if you think about how much the budgets have gone up since S1, it's becoming more film quality by each passing season which allows the writers to come up with action sequences like Hardhome. So we'll probably lose the quality of writing but gain more impressive visual treats in the process. I'm looking forward to this Season though, the North storyline which is epic will keep the show going even if Dorne and Daenerys becomes boring.
Is this your first attempt to act funny?
I do agree... you have to just accept there's going to be holes, suspend that need to look for them, sit back and enjoy the ride with most tv shows.
But... it was a high jump
Magic, dragons, white walkers, zombies, etc.
Thorne is great. I view him in the same way I did Tywin. A bastard of a villain but excellent to watch. He has nowhere near the amount the screentime Tywin had but he's made some brilliant scenes.
Plus the line delivery in this is great, so menacing...
If Jon comes back though, he's fecked.
He's a good actor. The episode of Torchwood he was in (Countrycide, I think) was brilliant, mainly down to him.
I'm not too fussed about suspending a bit of disbelief (till things get ridiculous of course), I'm more concern about the story arcs being interesting and engaging. For me, while it's one of my favorite shows, it's gradually gotten worse season by season. The wider it spreads it's wings, in a sense, the more IMO it loses the strong connect it should have.
What Im hoping for:
- Denaerys character does something that makes her endearing to me. She's always been the weakest of the main characters in my mind. Given he's clearly the most important, hopefully there's something unexpected from her storyline.
- Less dorne.
- Less shitty religious cult vs lannistors
- More Arya Stark
- More Tyrion
- Bran being relevant
What Im hoping for:
- Denaerys character does something that makes her endearing to me. She's always been the weakest of the main characters in my mind. Given he's clearly the most important, hopefully there's something unexpected from her storyline.
- Less dorne.
- Less shitty religious cult vs lannistors
- More Arya Stark
- More Tyrion
- Bran being relevant
Those aren't holes.
Could have been that they employ a series of writter, hence the next in line will have to work something out from the guy before him.
I've read that in a simpsons episode the writers are doom and gloom bunch of people sitting in a round table trying to fix lines into the script.
Really you can't compare writters with GRRR, it's a different class
I get the same feeling that they're getting wider and off the track, and like ussual I fear that they're just going to quickly wrap everything down faster than a demolished building.
They barely have enough time to screen everyone these days
Its a very difficult balance to strike. If you spend time building characters you get reams of posts saying "boring, nothing happened" etc and if you go for cliff hangers & shocks people will moan about "poor writing", the physics of a jump, whether someone wore a necklace 3 seasons ago.
That is bloody mental
Russia seem to be the internet capital of wacky shit.
I love that literally every video about someone jumping into the pile of snow is Russian
The Dorne stuff was horrible, its the most amateurish thing they have done since recasting the Mountain for the third time .
They should've just had him appear in every single episode with a different person playing him each time. One week it's Peter Crouch. Next it's Andy Carroll. Then Warwick Davis for the hell of it.
I think recasting Daario was equally as amateurish although I guess these things can't be helped. The Dorne stuff has been awful though and it's only really there to give Jaime and Bronn some screen time. The Sand Snakes fight scene with them last season was so terrible to watch.
Put Sand Snakes into YouTube and you'll find the fourth most popular search is ''Sand Snakes bad acting.''
I was glad they did that though, can't stand Ed Skrein's face.
They basically replaced him with Troy Eric Bana which was fine by me.
Yeah I would have preferred the second guy to start with. I also preferred the third guy (the Icelandic actor) for the Mountain as well. I guess they get it right eventually.
I didn't mind the first Mountain, he was more vicious looking than the current one. The current one is a pure beast though so he's fine too, heh.