Jon Snow isn't coming back (not a book reader).
Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended
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I think it was 'let the man rule' or something. In reference to killing Tommen, so that Stannis can take over.
I got Sansa Stark ffs.
I accidentally went into the book thread. It is getting very hormonal in there.
Luckily I saw nothing that addressed the interesting stuff from the finale. I was lucky I suspect.
I just don't believe that Jon is gone. Dead and resurrected maybe. I don't think he is a Ned Stark's son and will turn out to be royalty of some sort with an important part to play right to the end. I think Arya, Jon, Tyrion and Daenerys will make it to the final series.
Based on no book or other info BTW.
Luckily I saw nothing that addressed the interesting stuff from the finale. I was lucky I suspect.
I just don't believe that Jon is gone. Dead and resurrected maybe. I don't think he is a Ned Stark's son and will turn out to be royalty of some sort with an important part to play right to the end. I think Arya, Jon, Tyrion and Daenerys will make it to the final series.
Based on no book or other info BTW.
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Finally caught up with this season. Really disappointing overall. Basically just kill everyone of any note.
Does this mean we have to root for boring Bran.
Does this mean we have to root for boring Bran.
There's still Hodor.
The whole season has been about building up to next couple of season and the finale was no different. Many storylines and themes left unanswered and at a knife's edge.
10 agonizing months to go.... My watch begins!
On a funny note, that Drogon scene felt that it was taken right out of 'How to Train your Dragon'
10 agonizing months to go.... My watch begins!
On a funny note, that Drogon scene felt that it was taken right out of 'How to Train your Dragon'
OMG! That is pretty spot on!On a funny note, that Drogon scene felt that it was taken right out of 'How to Train your Dragon'
They need to have a zombie Jon Snow fight a zombie Mountain, and call the episode 'A Mountain of Snow'.
Are we meant to believe that Arya is now blind? Or was that a temporary punishment? I've seen people refer to her previous encounter with Meilissandre, who said that she sees darkness in Arya, brown, blue, green (many faces?) looking back at her, but eyes that will shut forever...
Let's be honest the show's quality has been in free-fall since the second season. Fantasy, more than any other genre, needs a good vs evil storyline or if not that at least a storyline. It's just a (watchable) mess of violence and tits right now.
I found it more as her beginning the transition to becoming faceless. It might just be a punishment though for disobeying his orders. Certainly weird stuff with all those faces.
I dunno if I'd go that far but the drop off in quality this season has been glaring. Seems almost like a different show to the first season.
I didn't rate the last season that highly actually and wasn't especially looking forward to this season but have enjoyed it more than the last.
The story has become too vast. The narrative in the first season was a lot more localised but has grown and grown as the seasons have gone on. I don't think they have the budget or time capacity to do the series justice as it has expanded.
I have just bought the first three books for a ten spot, curiousity has got the better of me.
Best thing you could have done, gives you a much better insight to the narratives that have been merely touched on by the show.
Surely Bran is Melisandre's next champion? Remember Melis isn't working to win thrones per se, her's is a religious quest to quell the WW. That's why she stopped Stannis mid-strategy down south to go to the wall as the WW threat had become immediate. Stannis too wouldn't kill all his family just to win a kingdom(s), getting to the iron throne was a means to an end. The battle at Winterfell was to strengthen the position against the WW, not any personal aim to beat the Boltons.
With Melisandre now lost and confused she must be wondering why her fate lies at the wall. Jon Snow won't be able to beat the WW. So surely its Brandragon.
With Melisandre now lost and confused she must be wondering why her fate lies at the wall. Jon Snow won't be able to beat the WW. So surely its Brandragon.
Well he did manage to kill the white walkers by himself already with his sword, perhaps when(if) she revives him he gains some sort of Lord of light power?. He will be feeling betrayed by brothers and may look to join Melisandre and her team.
Yeah, I personally think Bran is more destined to be involved with the dragons with all that "you'll fly" stuff. Jon will be back and maybe Melisandre realises she's been a bit thick with how she's read her visions and all that.
I think the Nights watch are on borrowed time now. They'll get overrun by the WW surely. It makes sense to have Snow die/resurrected because then it frees him of his obligation to them.
Could even be the WW that overrun Winterfell. Or maybe Snow and the Wildlings team up to beat the Boltons?
If they push the WW threat more next season (and hopefully they do) we might even see some uneasy alliances for the sake of the greater good.
Could even be the WW that overrun Winterfell. Or maybe Snow and the Wildlings team up to beat the Boltons?
If they push the WW threat more next season (and hopefully they do) we might even see some uneasy alliances for the sake of the greater good.
I think Winterfell might be the place a lot of it kicks off, the Stark kids all return and all have their super powers. Apart from Sansa who they might as well fire from a catapult at the enemy.
This has been my issue with the show as a whole, after each and every fecking controversial plot twist, that seemed like terrific writing and story development at the start, such as Ned's death and the red wedding etc, the effect lessens, until we are at a point now where they seem to be deviating away from the books material in order to create more "shocks" that have people on social media going "FFs this latest game of thrones episodes blah blah" as a means to keep generating publicity and marketing for the show.
The Starks have been built up in such a way that they are the unequivocal "good guys" of the show, somebody to root for in a sea of bad guys, other than dany. yet instead of drip feeding a slow satisfaction of slowly but surely "something" cool/good is happening to 1 or more of the surviving starks after so much pain and turmoil we as viewers have had to watch, the shows creators/the author have basically used them as a fuel for the fire of controversy that the show feeds on, buy one at a time having them killed/raped/blinded etc, and its got to a point where its getting annoying rather than being able to see it as inspired story arcs.
So now its written in the stars that it will be boring fecking bran who somehow has some influence in some shitty unsatisfying "against all odds" the cripple and hodor have defeated the white walkers or some shit, when in reality it would have been far more satisfying watching John/Ned/Rob stark chop Ramsey Boltons fecking limbs off.
I think/ fear this too.
No chance. He'll be back.
Pity that the one character that I absolutely hate (Dany) is probably never going to get killed, I have no idea whether it's the way her role is written or just the actress but I find her scenes hard to watch
Probably both.
Definitely.
As for Snow, one thing that gets me is why all the mystery about his real mother if he then dies? There's been plenty of talk about Ned not doing that and being 'honourable', so it's likely there's some twist there, so why kill him now? At least the likes of Ned, Rob and Cat sort of went as far as they could. Maybe he won't be in the next season or all that, but I just can't see him being permanently dead with so much left hanging.
Yeah exactly. If he's gone for good then it kind of defeats the purpose of what stories are supposed to do and therefore makes watching the show kind of pointless.
That's why he won't be dead. There's way too many loose threads with the Jon story arc for him to be killed. If he is dead then something is horribly wrong with Georges head, I don't mind red herrings but that would mean that Jons very existence in the books/show was simply to rescue 5000 wildlings and bring them south of the wall. He's done nothing of worth apart from that.
I almost expected Jon to scream at the end: "How many times have I told you, I didn't steal the fecking watch!"
Or perhaps a Sand Snake to materialise and whisper some bad pussy related line in his ear?
Season 5 has been so bad that I honestly don't even care about reading future spoilers.
That's what has been making me wonder about this season and parts of the last. The writing clearly has changed to tv land, chasing the shocks.
I think the same about Stannis too, I just refuse to believe a celebrated author would be so revered if he wrote that storyline. It was just a big, waste of time dead end if he's dead.
That's how I feel about Walking Dead. I'm waiting for how they start season 6 before I stop taking Game of Thrones so seriously and avoiding all possible spoilers.
The season has pretty much got universal acclaim from critics and the ratings will be close to last seasons record breaking run.
I liked this season pretty much. I probably would have enjoyed it more it I hadn't come in this thread. Makes me wonder about group think.
I liked this season pretty much. I probably would have enjoyed it more it I hadn't come in this thread. Makes me wonder about group think.
Considering there's no one likeable left in the nights watch, I hope the lot of them get massacred. Preferably by a fire-zombie Jon Snow.
I think the problem has been it has become stale. Shock deaths have become frustrating more than anything. Dany's story barely moves. Arya's story has been slow, Sand Snakes were awful. Not much Littlefinger either who in my opinion is the most interesting character. Ratings may well be high but it wasn't a great season.
Of course.
It's just like me and me wondering about people who study things like 'group think' and how that skews their thinking.
But no, I don't believe this season is as bad as being made out by some, but it's not 'group thinking' to suggest the writing has taken a turn for the worst. Because it clearly has.
It’s been more mixed than anything. Stuff like the Sand Snakes has been awful for the most part, with some truly diabolical lines, but then characters like Tyrion have remained interesting for the most part.
I feel it has become convoluted and silly but I was expecting that, it is a fantasy program after all.
Jon Snow was the only 'shock' 'death' surely? Either Ramsey or Stannis were toast from the outset of this season. I don't enjoy Littlefinger that much so I guess it is what you like.
I don't know, I think I don't take it as seriously as some people seem to perhaps but I am looking forward to what happens in the next season.
Exactly, it has always been mixed as well. To me, things with dragons and magic in them are cheesy anyway so I am not really expecting to see Shakespere.
That's the problem. I know nothing about the books past the second and refuse to even read those wiki pages for fear of spoilers, but even an idiot like me can see where the storylines aren't quite right. And if tv plebs like me can see that, what must the book readers be thinking?