A man should also appreciate the humorous joke made out of his mistake...
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A man should also appreciate the humorous joke made out of his mistake...
melissandre appears to have shown up just in time! Here's hoping for a bit of blood magic! #clutchingatstraws
It's shite though - either he stays dead (shit) or she brings him back to life (a nice escape) thus, rendering your series finale(!) absolutely pointless, and just an exercise in shock value.
I'd love to say I realised at that point but in all honesty I realised pretty much exactly when Jon did, staring at the traitor sign thinking "where the feck is Benjen?". Which would be fine except Jon didn't know he was going to get stabbed months in advance whereas I did.
Olly was just so damn convincing.
"Where is Benjen guys? Did Benjen write this? Is Benjen behind this sign? What's that in your hand Alliser?"
Didn't help either that the actor couldn't really pull off the death very well. I'm just laughing now thinking about it.
Speculation about season 6 :
Olly will become new Lord Commander.
"Where is Benjen guys? Did Benjen write this? Is Benjen behind this sign? What's that in your hand Alliser?"
Didn't help either that the actor couldn't really pull off the death very well. I'm just laughing now thinking about it.
Oh and Stanis! Feckin' Stannis - what a waste of 5 seasons that story arc was.
According to that lady she saw him winning, not just the snow melting so that makes no sense at all. Why did they not show Stannis's death? I feel like someone back-stabbed Brian just as she was about to swing the sword. Maybe that or he is dead. In any case it made no sense.
"Where is Benjen guys? Did Benjen write this? Is Benjen behind this sign? What's that in your hand Alliser?"
Didn't help either that the actor couldn't really pull off the death very well. I'm just laughing now thinking about it.
You can tell that the show has caught up with the books because the writing has gotten so much worse. Agree about the shock value points but that comes from crap tv writing rather than the books imo. No doubt the books will still have them, but they'll be better fleshed out so when it does happen the shock has much better context.
I also think that episode was rushed way, way too much. I thought it was going to be given the end of last episode, there was just too much stuff to tie up.
I also think that episode was rushed way, way too much. I thought it was going to be given the end of last episode, there was just too much stuff to tie up.
I'm tempted to go in the book thread and ask a few things. Not just the writing, but reactions to some of the key events this season have been different to those when the likes of Ned and Oberyn were killed.
I know it's no secret the tv show is nearly up with the books now, but I wonder where the two stand. I remember GRRM saying once about ripples creating waves (or something like that) and there's been a lot this season that simply doesn't seem like it's as logical (as far as GoT goes there anyway) as previous seasons.
Ye can always just PM one of us and ask. We can't really say anything about the differences in this thread without getting lynched.
I can't recall as many glaring obvious flaws. Someone mentioned that Jon should have made a speech, damn right he should! That's a glaring hole right there! The whole Sansa lighting the candle as soon as shemale walked off screen. It's all tv shortcuts that shouldn't happen in a show like this, we aren't morons, there's way too many of these "almost" moments.
This show is becoming incredibly predictable and boring. Not only that, but I feel they've crossed a line with the Cersei scene. That was disgusting to watch, and not in a good way. I don't see where it can go from here. Let's just kill off all the cast and be done with it.
Yep. Whether next season starts with a) Stannis dead or b) Brianne dead because she's been stabbed by secret brother Donald Baratheon... it's still a really naff death/story arc for one of two main characters in the show.
Yeah that's why I said they should've spread them out better over the last few episodes. I just remembered that Ramseys hot gf got Reeked off the top of the turret. Good thud sound she made too. RIP
Yeah that's why I said they should've spread them out better over the last few episodes. I just remembered that Ramseys hot gf got Reeked off the top of the turret. Good thud sound she made too. RIP
I liked her, good boobs and pretty. She was an odd character, she seemed totally happy being Ramseys cast off.
I agree with the shortcuts of TV (convenience). I think this is the problem when you only have 10 episodes and a lot of material @RedSky
Brienne walking off just as the light went up, and then turning up just as Stannis falls down was all to convenient.
On the whole I think theyve done well to tell a lot of the story though.
It gives him more freedom though if hes brought back to life. No more oath to Nights Watch (though he broke a few rules). However he was still going to pretty much stay the wall. Now if (big if) hes resurrected he pretty much has no reason to stay there (cept the incoming white walkers).
Regarding Brienne, maybe she doesnt kill him, but just knocks him out (although tbh theres actually no reason for her to do that). Also where was Pod? Did he just disappear from Briennes side?
Brienne walking off just as the light went up, and then turning up just as Stannis falls down was all to convenient.
On the whole I think theyve done well to tell a lot of the story though.
It gives him more freedom though if hes brought back to life. No more oath to Nights Watch (though he broke a few rules). However he was still going to pretty much stay the wall. Now if (big if) hes resurrected he pretty much has no reason to stay there (cept the incoming white walkers).
Regarding Brienne, maybe she doesnt kill him, but just knocks him out (although tbh theres actually no reason for her to do that). Also where was Pod? Did he just disappear from Briennes side?
i'm clutching straws here, but maybe the Hound didn't die and he came just in time to save Stanis?! I'm actually hoping Stanis is now dead. 2 major defeats & he was a cnut for burning his own daughter.
She was a pretty poor actress though (though I found most of her scenes to have terrible writing) - I feel like she got a free ride in the acting stakes because of how bad those Snake women are though.
Exactly. I said earlier in the season it felt more TV than ever, which is why I'm tempted to just give up trying not to have things spoiled as I've a funny feeling they'll all be as confused as we are!
Cheers mate, I might just do that soon! The more I think about it, the more I reckon we are beyond spoilers and into the realms of wanting to know what's book and what's tv.
Its probably been said already but the only reason fire witch went back to the wall is so that she can raise Jon from the dead. Like the other fire guy.
Do you people hate folk that read all books or is it specific books?
We burn them.
Oh yeah, they're probably using it as a way to get Jon to do more interesting shit (though the White Walkers stuff had actually become interesting!) - but this is your grand series finale, and it'll just be (fairly obviously) copped out at the beginning of next season? Seems rushed... and also, the actual death scene was so piss poorly excecuted, as people have remarked above - really poorly written and played out.
I suppose can't pass full judgement until the resurection happens... but yeah, this Lord of Light bloke is clearly the best God around, he does all the impressive shit. That other religion has 7 sodding Gods... and they've done feck all so far!
It'd actually be pretty funny if Jon isn't revived for most of next season
Game of Thrones is just one big exercise in shock value now anyway.
It'd actually be pretty funny if Jon isn't revived for most of next season
God, how shit would his death scene be then
That doesn't fly with me. They had plenty of awful scenes this season which were not only poorly written but didn't really push the plot along. If they structured the episodes better and had decent pacing then that wouldn't be an issue.
The sand snakes get flak for good reason, that whole segment was terribly written. They even reached the point with Kings Landing where they couldn't be bothered to show Tommen ffs!
Basically the pacing of the first 6 episodes were poor and it made them rush 7-10. Which in turn made those episodes poorer than they should have been. It's no real surprise that the best segment of Season 5 was the 2nd half of Episode 8 (where they actually gave 30mins purely for Snows story). The pacing of that segment was so much better than the rest combined. Perhaps at times they try to do simply too much and in that case they should have planned their Seasons better. The Daenerys storyline suffers from being too slow! But the rest of the stories seem to go to fast.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
That's my most hated TV/Film trope... the whole turning around at just the wrong moment when they've been waiting/searching for something for ages.
There's a film called The Impossible where the ending is littered with it... urgh, what a completely wank film that was.
Yeah I agree with this. That's largely why I'm tempted to find out now, because the writing was so much more, well, book-like in the earlier seasons. I reckon I could point out a few tv plotlines off the bat. I might be completely wrong of course, but I think some parts really do stand out.
@Annihilate Now! @Redlambs I was just thinking that - imagine if we dont go to the wall at all next season or dont get a mention of Jon Snow until (a possible) season 7 or end of season 6. lol
@RedSky Dont get me wrong, I agree with you with regards to some of the pointless scenes. In fact, I think the Sandsnakes should have had some more time invested in them for me to actually care (or not shown at all). The scenes with them were brutal and some of the lines and acting felt like a parody
@RedSky Dont get me wrong, I agree with you with regards to some of the pointless scenes. In fact, I think the Sandsnakes should have had some more time invested in them for me to actually care (or not shown at all). The scenes with them were brutal and some of the lines and acting felt like a parody
What if.....
Jon Snow is resurrected, not by Melisandre, but by the White Walkers? He'd be a powerful weapon for them.
Jon Snow is resurrected, not by Melisandre, but by the White Walkers? He'd be a powerful weapon for them.
Interesting thought. But then, who'd be the hero who seems to be very handy against them?
All that for him to go bad would be a bit odd, but it would be surprising and that'd be good.
I think I'm done with this shit now. Martin is bad enough, but the TV writers really love abusing their women. The walk of shame - or whatever - was basically porn for women haters.
@Annihilate Now! @Redlambs I was just thinking that - imagine if we dont go to the wall at all next season or dont get a mention of Jon Snow until (a possible) season 7 or end of season 6. lol
@RedSky Dont get me wrong, I agree with you with regards to some of the pointless scenes. In fact, I think the Sandsnakes should have had some more time invested in them for me to actually care (or not shown at all). The scenes with them were brutal and some of the lines and acting felt like a parody
Oh for sure, i'm using the Sand Snakes as an example of a segment that needed far better writing. I'm pretty sure that whole segment is tv bullshit.
The walk was handled quite well. It's a fairly realistic way for medieval sexist zealots to try and punish women. Lena Headey gave a great performance too.
It went on for too long though imo. I know its probably a character defining moment but it was a bit much.
Yep, one of a few I'm thinking.
I had a little dig to find the conversation -
S: I've trusted in your visions and your prophecies for years.
M: You saw it yourself, my king, when you stared into the flames. A great battle in the snow.
S: I don't know what I saw.
M: You do know. Trust yourself.
S: And you? Do you trust yourself?
M: I trust in the Lord.
S: Are you sure?
M: I have seen myself walk along the battlements of Winterfell. I have seen the flayed man banners lowered to the ground.
Stannis admits to not knowing exactly what he saw, and Melisandre says what she sees, but nothing of what they said specifically refer to Stannis victory, just a victory. I've always got the impression that she believed in Stannis for her own reasons, but that doesn't mean he was the one in her visions. I think this is why people are leaning towards her resurrecting Jon Snow, if her visions still hold some truth to them then it's possible that Snow will be the one to defeat Bolton. Thing is you say it doesn't make sense but in a world where a woman is seeing visions in a fire I'm not sure "making sense" is really the issue, I think it's more a case of "Is this story going anywhere?". If Mels visions were simply wrong then that's just something we'll have to accept, that in a world of flying dragons and people changing faces, and burning children so some god can melt the snow it's not exactly nonsensical to say "Well, maybe her visions were wrong?" Of course I hope that this conversation was put there to have some relevance to the future rather than just being a cheap bit of writing to make us think "Yeah Stannis is definitely gonna win!!!"