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I almost pissed myself when Tyrion said "Forgive me. My Valyrian is a bit nostril".
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I almost pissed myself when Tyrion said "Forgive me. My Valyrian is a bit nostril".
Here is a crazy conspiracy theory - Melisandre's magic from sacrificing Shireen was something like "melt the snow" and the lord of light interpreted that as "kill Jon Snow"
"For the watch"
Didn't know he wore one.
Just think some viewers wouldn't want something that big possibly being spoiled for them, as few would have worked that theory out by now if just a viewer. Though it is just speculation.
Maybe it's because it makes me feel better...But that's a fantastic thought, and could certainly be a viable option. (I hope)
If next years season starts before the next book is released, it's going to change the whole dynamic.
Book readers will have to avoid the internet and TV altogether.
It's one thing avoiding spoilers from books. It's entirely another to avoid the endless clips, screenshots and adverts that come along with aired episodes!
Book readers will have to avoid the internet and TV altogether.
It's one thing avoiding spoilers from books. It's entirely another to avoid the endless clips, screenshots and adverts that come along with aired episodes!
Nah, I think nearly all of us will just watch the show. There are so many changes already that we won't really know if it's a spoiler or not anyway.
One doubt,where the hell was ghost? I kept waiting for him to pounce and tear them up and he wasn't to be seen.. You would think,when it shows up to save Sam,it ll have a premonition and end up saving Jon also..
Another disappointment was Gilly surviving they season.. Would have happily swapped her death for even a minor character like Miranda..
Another disappointment was Gilly surviving they season.. Would have happily swapped her death for even a minor character like Miranda..
It sounds far fetched but something similar to this wouldnt surprise me.
Presumably Melisandre has never actually tried to revive someone and was sceptical about it - so this would give some meaning to her meeting with Thoros back years ago.
I could also see some little dynamic where she talks about how she is going to "bring back the one true king" with everyone [in the show] assuming she means Stannis - only for her then to suddenly come back with Jon Snow.
There is even an entire sub-speculation you could have about her last spell "melting away the Snow" - which could be extended to her inadvertently getting John Snow killed, for him to rise again with his true name/lineage revealed. Although I think actually Sam will be the one to reveal his parentage, with some forgotten tomes that he finds in Oldtown.
Presumably Melisandre has never actually tried to revive someone and was sceptical about it - so this would give some meaning to her meeting with Thoros back years ago.
I could also see some little dynamic where she talks about how she is going to "bring back the one true king" with everyone [in the show] assuming she means Stannis - only for her then to suddenly come back with Jon Snow.
There is even an entire sub-speculation you could have about her last spell "melting away the Snow" - which could be extended to her inadvertently getting John Snow killed, for him to rise again with his true name/lineage revealed. Although I think actually Sam will be the one to reveal his parentage, with some forgotten tomes that he finds in Oldtown.
Add to that - You don't have that epic fight with a white walker and that epic stare off with the Nights Kings in Hardhome for nothing. All nods this season to a certain fan theory to who Jons mother is. Setting up Melisandre meeting Jon at the start of the season and then having Mel turning up just before the scene happens at the end.
Saying that, wouldn't surprise me if he was gone for a season like they did with Bran. Bring him back for the final season. Next season will not be wall centric because let's face it, no one wants to see the exploits of Alliser Throne.
Re-watched the finale as I was pretty shitfaced watching the first time. The first time around I actually thought that Ellario Sand committed suicide by drinking that stuff in the vial, but now I'm thinking that was the antidote? Guess this means Jaime's flipping a bitch and headed back to Dorne?
I've seen others mention how Jon Snow's death has been hinted at for a while now, but I haven't picked up on that at all. Was pretty shocked to see him go out like that. Where was Eddison Tollett, Ghost, and wildlings like Tormund? Not looking forward to seeing the inevitable resurrection and all that nonsense, really cheapens everything for me when the dead can be brought back to life. Where do you draw the fecking line? Although I gotta admit, seeing frankenmountain was badass.
And even though we hardly got a look at the actual battle at Winterfell, I thought that aerial shot was pretty sick where you can see the Boltons completely outnumber and flank Stannis' army. Stannis is dead by the way. Not sure if it could have been made any more clearer than Brienne's sword swinging down on his head.
Couple questions I have are:
I've seen others mention how Jon Snow's death has been hinted at for a while now, but I haven't picked up on that at all. Was pretty shocked to see him go out like that. Where was Eddison Tollett, Ghost, and wildlings like Tormund? Not looking forward to seeing the inevitable resurrection and all that nonsense, really cheapens everything for me when the dead can be brought back to life. Where do you draw the fecking line? Although I gotta admit, seeing frankenmountain was badass.
And even though we hardly got a look at the actual battle at Winterfell, I thought that aerial shot was pretty sick where you can see the Boltons completely outnumber and flank Stannis' army. Stannis is dead by the way. Not sure if it could have been made any more clearer than Brienne's sword swinging down on his head.
Couple questions I have are:
- What was the ring that Daenerys takes off right before the Dothraki surround her?
- What were those ravens notes about that Jon was reading before Olly came in to get him?
Sure, it tells you that the show has a big and passionate audience - much like Breaking Bad had. Of course it doesn't have that without being a good show, but that doesn't mean that it's the greatest just because it has the best rating. I think Better Call Saul had one of the best ratings ever as well at some point, before people eventually had to concede that it was quite dull.
Like I said, it's a good show. But for me there are too many (and too long) boring scenes to put it in the same tier as shows like The Wire and The Sopranos (and Breaking Bad as you mention, although I'd personally put that some way below the two others).
Yeah I reckon that's what I'd do as well. You know there'll be the hardcore element though who can't back down. They're in for a rough ride!
No doubt Myrcella really liked Dorne and its traditions. Sorry but i couldn't stop laughing after watching that scene, they are really putting in a lot of effort to make Jamie look like one of the nice guys but this was ridiculous: "Don't worry uncle... i mean dad, i know everything and i'm really glad you were banging your sister and i'm a product of all that". Nevertheless, with Myrcella's death the Lannisters will probably lose their last strong ally. I can't see how Cersei will be brought to reason after hearing the news of her daughter's death. You could see a lot of hate in her eyes when they were cutting her hair and while she was walking in the streets. And in her final scene with the Mountain she had a weird look in her face, like she had lost it completely.
I believe Stannis' story arc suffered a lot of bad writing/directing this season. It was obvious they wanted to focus on him just like they wanted to invest in Oberyn in the previous season. But while the whole run up to Oberyn's climatic moment was well crafted and entangled with Tyrion's fate, Stannis' story seemed to drag on forever until a very rushed conclusion in the opening ten minutes of the last episode. And he quickly turns from a man who would sacrifice his whole family to become king to a 'let's fight a battle we can't win and die with honor' character.
Arya's story has just gotten interesting again after a pretty dull season, can't say the same about Sansa and Daenerys though. Jon's death was heartbreaking and maybe very significant. Although Ned was gone from the first season, his legacy was ever present in the show. In seasons 2 and 3 it was Rob who tried to follow the same code of honor as his father and in the last two seasons it was Jon Snow the one who tried to always do the right thing even if it meant that he would put himself in grave danger. Even his decision to cut off the head of Janos early in the season was very reminiscent of Ned. Maybe the writers decided to move on, focus more on other characters and explore new things.
I believe Stannis' story arc suffered a lot of bad writing/directing this season. It was obvious they wanted to focus on him just like they wanted to invest in Oberyn in the previous season. But while the whole run up to Oberyn's climatic moment was well crafted and entangled with Tyrion's fate, Stannis' story seemed to drag on forever until a very rushed conclusion in the opening ten minutes of the last episode. And he quickly turns from a man who would sacrifice his whole family to become king to a 'let's fight a battle we can't win and die with honor' character.
Arya's story has just gotten interesting again after a pretty dull season, can't say the same about Sansa and Daenerys though. Jon's death was heartbreaking and maybe very significant. Although Ned was gone from the first season, his legacy was ever present in the show. In seasons 2 and 3 it was Rob who tried to follow the same code of honor as his father and in the last two seasons it was Jon Snow the one who tried to always do the right thing even if it meant that he would put himself in grave danger. Even his decision to cut off the head of Janos early in the season was very reminiscent of Ned. Maybe the writers decided to move on, focus more on other characters and explore new things.
My guess is that the ring is "bread crumb" to point the direction that she's been taken.
Jon was probably reading that the Boltons won the battle. He isn't a big fan of them and this explains his frustration when he read the news.
My initial guess/assumption was that it was her wedding ring, and she thought that if they knew that she was/is married they would not regard her as being 'useful' to them.
Your idea is also feasible though.
Your idea is also feasible though.
You might wanna look around the internet.
I don't get why they decided to kill Jon now. Surely the wildlings will revolt with the man who safeguarded their entrance now dead? Why would they wait for the wildlings to come in before stabbing Jon in the back?
I'm sad 
Agreed. If you're going to betray him, you do it when your enemies are still on the other side of that giant wall. Letting them in and then killing him seems a strange choice.
Maybe they were waiting for Sam to leave before making a move on Jon
Wait, are we all allowed to go and party in the book thread now?
Agreed. If you're going to betray him, you do it when your enemies are still on the other side of that giant wall. Letting them in and then killing him seems a strange choice.
Maybe they were waiting for Sam to leave before making a move on Jon
Typical really - last episode there was the scene with Jon approaching the wall, and a tense moment before Thorne opens the gate. It lures you into a false sense of security, thinking "OK that was where they were potentially going to betray him, it looks like it is OK" and then bang, next episode they do it. Knobs.
I also loved during the Cersei walk of shame, that amidst all the people shouting "cnut" "You whore!" there was one bloke who very audible just shouted "feck OFF".
Agreed. If you're going to betray him, you do it when your enemies are still on the other side of that giant wall. Letting them in and then killing him seems a strange choice.
Maybe they were waiting for Sam to leave before making a move on Jon
They could have just not let the gate up, what happened between then and his eventual death? Also where the feck was Wolf this time?
But it makes no sense, it's just poorly written and executed to me.
Yeah, I thought that as well - they're basically opening themselves up to an attack without having the wall to protect them now. How are they expecting that to work out? Sure, a lot of wildlings were left behind, but they still have some very good warriors not to mention the giant. Utterly stupid.
Why is this shit not on Showbox yet??
I proper burst out laughing at that
Imagine the casting for that role...
We need you to just stand among the crowd and loudly shout 'feck off' at her.
"OK mate, I think I can do it."
"Brother fecker"
Are we supposed to also presume the other half the Night's Watch who voted Jon in have all soured on him? If they haven't wouldn't this magnificient decision 'for the watch' just rupture the Night's Half in two? Are we really supposed to believe Sam was the only thing stopping Jon from getting offed? Would the tales of whitewalkers not have been dissipated throughout the watch too? Would this not feed into their decision to kill Jon? The whole ending is incredibly presumptuous and rushed, it wouldn't have made any difference if they built it up and did it halfway into season 6.
I have also been wondering this. He got half the votes, and these were people who basically knew (and presumably agreed with) his attitude towards the wildlings etc. Yet for the last few episodes it has apparently been him and Sam vs the world.
I am guessing that a lot/most of the men he took to Hardholme with him were the pro-Jon camp though, and that a lot of them died.
Well atleast Tyrion is still alive and arya just blind.
The whole thing with Arya I find a bit odd, and how do we know that whatever happened to her is permanent, for a start?
And then, what exactly did happen?
The whole thing is a bit cryptic and i wouldn't be surprised if nothing actually happened. But knowing how the series is, i do think its permanent. Which is actually a good thing as i don't see a point of her dying now that she is blind. The Jon snow death is stupid though, seemed rushed and rather tame. Resurrecting him in anyway would be equally dumb.
Didnt Jon have some of the Nights watch with him? Basically keeping Jon and Wildlings out would have kept the other Nights Watch out (and wouldnt have been great with some on Jons side still inside)
Maybe were not and there will be conflict because their lord commander has died. Or from those who voted for Jon (and still liked Jon), nobody was around to see Jon die. So they can easily use the whole "a wildling came in and stabbed him" to turn everybody who was On Jons side against the Wildlings and to trust Thorne and let him take leadership.
Hard to say its rushed without seeing where it goes. Just my thoughts anyway. For all we know, we may never see anything at the Wall again. lol
I wont link the entire interview here, but basically GRRM said "those who have read the books (referring to the earlier ones) will know that death is not always permanent"
There is also a possibility by the sounds of it (from the same interview, speaking to the TV writers), that the Jon Snow dead/alive 'decision' may in fact be different in the TV show to the books - which would be a pretty massive plot deviation I would have thought (although apparently there have already been a fair few of these)
There is also a possibility by the sounds of it (from the same interview, speaking to the TV writers), that the Jon Snow dead/alive 'decision' may in fact be different in the TV show to the books - which would be a pretty massive plot deviation I would have thought (although apparently there have already been a fair few of these)
Do you think they'll have a season 6? After all, they've tied up all the stories nicely..........
Of course they will? Loads of stuff left, forget what they said for how many seasons they were planning minimum but my guess would be that they'll continue until the war against the white walkers is done and then whenever somebody takes the iron throne. Seems logical to do it like that, though given how Martin likes to just go against the ways normal things are written it probably won't be all resolved at the end.Do you think they'll have a season 6? After all, they've tied up all the stories nicely..........