But you love every episode Wibble
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Love? No. Enjoy? Yes.
There were a couple of slower episodes that developed plot lines that in of themselves were ordinary (if neccesary). The last 2 were however really very good.
There were a couple of slower episodes that developed plot lines that in of themselves were ordinary (if neccesary). The last 2 were however really very good.
I liked the skeleton folk. As for the episode, it needed to be longer, and better paced. There was heaps going on in terms of plots and what not. And when Stanis came to save the day(ok wrong choice of words..) was that a deus ex machina or was it planned?
Too bad about Tywinn and The Hound dying, one by one my favorite characters are getting killed and we're left with some dross.Happy to still have Tyrion and Arya is just awesome.
Also, people wondering why Varys said 'what have you done' when he opened the door for Tyrion, I re-watched the episode and Tyrion has big scratches on his face from his wrestle with Shae. I'm pretty sure that's why he said it...
I don't think varys originally intended to go with Tyrion. It was only when he heard the bells did he turn around.
The question is does Tyrion know that Varys is in the ship with him?
The question is does Tyrion know that Varys is in the ship with him?
I enjoyed the episode but it was nowhere near the best of the season. I would have preferred a cliffhanger ending as well but 3 more regular cast members were killed off at least 
They kill off half the fecking cast and it's a dud?
Stannis was apprised of white walkers threat at the end of last season and he showed more interest in that info that any one else. But I think to maintain an element of surprise they did not give any hints of his plan the whole season. Ideally they should have showed him having discussions about going North at some point
Old tree dude telling Bran he's going to fly. Is he going to possess the black dragon or ride it Avatar style?
I did this as well, was going through Mels posts to see why she'd been banned and clicked on a post she made thinking it was in this thread when it was actually in the Book thread! I started to read someones in depth analysis of the episode and realised!
Thankfully I didn't read any spoilers except that something happened in this episode that apparently didn't happen in the books.
That's a pretty strange standard to judge an episode by.
Well, how do you define dud exactly? Poor or just not much happening? I can't see how it was the latter.
I hope a certain other kid gets to fly soon.
It was a near miss! I've only done that once before and luckily I read Solius telling someone off, probably Revan the big thundercnut.
Maybe he will take over the Dragons like he takes over the Wolves?
How do they decide when people die who becomes white walkers.
Obviously jon snow said to burn all the dead bodies, does that mean the hound could turn too?.
it will be interesting now to see who takes control in the lannister family, with cersei seemingly happy to admit her incest I assume she will command tommen and not let the other girl near her.
Danny was just so ironic, chaining up her own dragons even though that's the 1 thing she hates.
Glad that tyrion got his revenge, I wonder how he will fare without the money and power the lannister name gets you.
Shame that the hound didnt back down when she gave him the chance, but I suppose his pride wouldn't let him admit defeat to a woman. I think he was pretty tired of life anyway - loved the kick to the c*nt in the fight haha!
Obviously jon snow said to burn all the dead bodies, does that mean the hound could turn too?.
it will be interesting now to see who takes control in the lannister family, with cersei seemingly happy to admit her incest I assume she will command tommen and not let the other girl near her.
Danny was just so ironic, chaining up her own dragons even though that's the 1 thing she hates.
Glad that tyrion got his revenge, I wonder how he will fare without the money and power the lannister name gets you.
Shame that the hound didnt back down when she gave him the chance, but I suppose his pride wouldn't let him admit defeat to a woman. I think he was pretty tired of life anyway - loved the kick to the c*nt in the fight haha!
Don't think the Hound can turn into a whitewalker, I think you have to be North of the wall or near the wall?
That's my guess too.
Funny seeing how powerful the Lannisters were at the end of S3 to where they are now. Seems like the Tyrrell alliance will soon be over considering Cersie won't want Tommen marrying Marge nor will she wed that gay fella.
Poor, plenty happened but I thought it was shoddy scripting. The appearance of Stannis, the Hound's demise, Tyrion's escape were all clumsily handled I thought, although interesting plot points. Still give no shits about Dany or Bran, even with the skeleton beasts.
Could anyone tell me the significance, if any, of the coin Arya gave to the ship captain? I remember her assassin friend gave her the coin but why was that coin able to convince the captain to take her with him when he was unwilling to do so until he saw it?
Well we don't know the answer to that. But either he was more important than he let on. Or the brotherhood that he's part of is famous/important. Should probably rewatch that scene when he gave her the coin, but I'm sure he mentions he's from Brathos, at least that's all I can remember.
This may have been answered but how would Stannis be able to do jack shit to Mance's 100,000? Did the bank of Braavos give him that much?
Felt like they had far too much to cover in that last episode and not enough time to do it - so the pacing felt a bit weird, but what can you do? I suppose they could possible have condensed some stuff through episodes 1-7 and have the Battle of Helms Deep/Nights Watch as episode 8, then spread this stuff over 2 episodes... but yeah, small complaints really as I did enjoy the episode overall - and for the most part this whole season.
- I still don't think we've had a gratifying reason as to why Joffery died in the manner he did. Spend 4 episodes building up this really quite fantastic villain - who you can't wait to see the demise off - and he gets poisoned by Little Finger? And what was all it for? So Tyrion could kill Tywin? We could have got there loads of other ways that didn't involve the lame death of the best villain on the show. Sure, I get that it subverts normal television/storytelling norms and isn't what you expect... but just because it's different/unexpected, doesn't necceserily make it any good
- But yes, there goes Tywin. For my money, the best actor, and in-turn one of the best character on the show. The great thing about Tywin is, everything he has done makes sense for who he is as a person and what he wants to acheive. He's the least inconsistant character in this entire world - which when you compare him to someone like Jaime Lannister, makes him far more intruiging... and likeable. That bit where he told Tyrion that he would never have actually let him be killed... I totally believed him - and I believed him because of how that character has been potrayed - it makes sense.
- And so long The Hound... another great character gone. I feel him and Brianne could have handled that situation a lot better mind...
- So does that mean Ariya is now officially a pshycopath.
- Appearances of Skeleton men made Bran slightly more interesting, appearnce of man in a tree? Less so - still, the way he shot down his dream of regaining the ability to walk was quite funny.
- Jaime Lannister has become a bit of a shit character really. The man seems to have no compass in himself for what he likes/doesn't like or feels/doesn't feel. He's just a bit flippy-flappy really... He hates his sister for killing his brother, who he loves, but he's still in love with her really, despite you know - her killing his brother, who he loves... and then he helps his brother escape, because he loves him, but that'll totally piss of his sister....who he's in love with. Also, if it was so feckin' easy to get him out of jail, why did it take this sodding long?!
- Something about Dragons - I didn't really care.
For some reason I really expected some sort of 'cnut PUNT' shout from the Hound. After the fight I realised how completely stupid of me that was.
I was wondering the same thing. What happened to Mance's army and all the other giants?
I liked Stannis coming to save the day, but considering they've spent 2 seasons discussing the Wildlings getting ready to climb the Wall and the threat the posed, the supposed ending to them was disappointing. Although, it was interesting Mance was more keen to climb the war to save themselves rather than actually conquer. Maybe next season they can concentrate on the White Walkers and the threat they pose?
It was a lame death - poison is a lame death.
And that's not my opinion... that's the show telling us - on several occassions - that poison is a lame death.
So many holes in your argument brother... (@Annihilate Now!)
- Joffrey was killed by the Tyrells, Little Finger was simply the hired thug to make it happen. He was killed because he was a monster and the Tyrells were in no way going to let him be wed to Marge. Joffs death was brilliant, he didn't deserve beheading, he deserved a crappy death and nothing better than being poisoned.
- The Tywin death was fantastic I thought. I'm not even sure if he went there with the intention to kill him initially. He had no weapon after all when he went into the chamber, but seeing Shae in Tywins bed made him flip. Hence he killed Shae and picked up the crossbow on the way out to take care of Daddy. Shame to see him go though, he was a terrific character.
- We don't 100% know if Hound was killed, he was left for dead but that's not confirmed for me. It's a bit too ambiguous. I loved that whole scene though and Arya was brilliant, I really thought she'd go all girly and say something along the lines of "but you're my friend". Instead she steals his gold and leaves him for a painful death. Superb.
- The Bran storyline is one of the best for me, I like Fantasy though and I think his story is probably the most intriguing. Looks like he'll be trained up as a mage of some kind.
- Jamies a great character. I find his storyline has been the best out of the lot from Kings Landing. He was almost free of Cersei's manipulations, but he's fallen straight back into the trap and has gone full circle back to S1 Jamie. He'll be leader of the Lannisters though and I could certainly see him becoming an Evil fecker now he's back with Cersei.
- Tyrion, Jamie could have freed Tyrion whenever he liked. But he waited until he had an escape plan ready. No point freeing him if there's nowhere to go! What's interesting is that Tyrion and Varys seem to be heading to the same place, where that is we don't know. Must be somewhere West as that's where Varys is from no?
- Dannys storyline certainly does... drag on... (see what I did there). But I think the important element of her scenes in this episode is the disappearance of the Black Alpha Dragon. She's down to 2 Dragons now and they don't seem to appreciate being chained up!
Exactly - the Tyrells... secondary characters at best. Are you telling me that that was more gratifying then Ariya sticking him? Or Tyrion? Or Sansa? Or failing that... something actually a bit grand rather then choking on a bit of wine?
Joffery is the villain where his death should be something that is worked towards - in the end, it came rather out of the blue, in the middle of the season... and for what? So Tyrion could get embroilled in a murder plot - but as I said, there were several other ways to reach where we are now without actually killing of the best villain on the show. I can't agree he deserved a crappy death... crappy deaths should be reserved for crappy charaters (take Bran's sweaty mate for example)
Thats pretty much the only thing you've not agreed with me on mind! Bar Bran (meh) and Jaime being a flaky bastard... the man should have some convictions! Either shag your sister and kill your brother, or free your brother and shag someone else... grow a backbone dammit!
Considering pretty much every aspect of Kings Landing from that point onwards was based around the aftermath and consequences of his death, I'm struggling to grasp your logic on this one.
I think that's clever writing. If you think back, there were a fair number of signs that Joffrey was going to be killed or at least an assassination was going to be attempted. It's just as Show viewers we're blind to it unless you're being really observant and notice the small hints.
What I meant by a crappy death is that it wasn't like he was killed in combat, there was no honour to his death which is precisely what he deserved. He was a dick, a total douche of a King and a maniac. I think having Sansa or Arya killing him would have been a bit of a cop out. Sure it would have been gratifying, but in terms of storytelling it's crap.
There's a far bigger picture at play than just Starks v Lannisters. We have no idea what the Tyrells are, just because they're secondary characters at the start of the show doesn't mean they'll end secondary characters. I think they're actually the biggest threat at present, they have an insane amount of money and Marge has her claws into Tommen.
Jamie's just a character that has one weakness in his life and that's his love for his sister. If Cersei was killed, Jamie would probably be a decent guy, but with Cersei manipulating Jamie he becomes a bit mad. Freeing Tyrion could well be the last kind act we'll see of Jamie in a while.
The concequences of it (Tyrion exile/Tywin death/Oberyn death) could have been reach through telling a different story that didn't involve killing of the shows best villain. That is my logic.
As much as I wanted Joffrey dead, I think the show misses him as the main villain. He was fantastic in that role. I think the reason of doing that could be to inform viewers that the real villains are there beyond the wall, and not the ones fighting for the stupid iron throne, to basically divert our attention.
I think some of my underwhelment (don't get me wrong - I don't think it's bad or anythign like that - I think it's been largely good... I just wanted more from Joff's eventual death) comes from the fact that I heard a fair few book readers tell me the fallout from Joffery's death was AMAZING ... where as I don't think I'd class what we've seen in Kings Landing or with Littlefinger as amazing...
Obviously, stuff can still play out... we'll see.
Obviously, stuff can still play out... we'll see.
Well I still think that the show misses Ned Stark as a hero! Of course a show will miss brilliant characters like that, it's just down to the writers to replace them with others who are just as good. Not to mention that killing main characters is pretty much a USP for this show.
The finale for me its like a fresh new beginning for most of the remaininig characters. The way Tywin died surprised me, it was humiliating and yet quite deserved on his part. The duel with Brienne and the Hound was epic, Arya's cold stare and her refusal to simply be dragged around any more was really cool. What will happen with Tyrion, Cersie, Jon Snow, Stanis, Arya, Sansa, little finger etc etc? I have no idea but im excited!
I'm leaving out lots of stuff but I can safely say that this is my favorite GoT season finale. No idea how I will manage to survivor for another year!
I'm leaving out lots of stuff but I can safely say that this is my favorite GoT season finale. No idea how I will manage to survivor for another year!
Anyway... Someone has some huge Charles Dance shaped shoes to fill in Season 5. Fact.