Future planning - Replacing Carrick
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I wouldn't say no to Danny drinkwater
Kevin Strootman has started the season brilliantly FWIW and there's also Paredes, playing for Roma, who could be really good at replacing what Carrick offers.
We should raid Dortmund for Weigl and Dembele over the next few years. Those two are nailed-on superstars in the making.
Paredes is an interesting one, started as a #10 at Boca, didn't he?
He did? Haven't seen him in a role like that, but wouldn't surprise me since he's quite good going forward from what I've seen. Noticed him first for Empoli last season, if I'm not mistaken. This season he's played well from what I've seen. He seems to have the passing to keep a team ticking.
Just wanted to bump this, don't think we need much more evidence of how crucial this will be in the summer, we don't need a DM ball winner, Herrera does that and we still have Schneiderlin and Timbo coming through, we need a Rolls Royce #6 who wants to sit, protect the back 4 and calmly orchestrate without the urge to constantrly move out of position to go after the ball.
Its hard to argue against this
I'd say it's very easy to argue against it, he's average.
The name on everyone's lips is Verratti, but that's highly aspirational, unless he pushes for a move, and pay £60m+. Weigl at Dortmund, but do we want another player from there, given our recent experiences? I think the problem is there are genuinely few class players that play in this position so we may need to target a younger player, like Tielemans or Neves, and develop them. But I agree, and I've said this before, it's grossly negligent that we've spent £500m since Fergie's retirement and haven't replaced Carrick.
Was watching Eric Dier against Liverpool other night, he reminds me a lot of Carrick in the way he plays.
Everytime Ive seen him he looks class, but I only seen him at the euros and a few times on MOTD.
Would probably cost a fortune tho coz he be Tottingham, then add on the English player tax.
Everytime Ive seen him he looks class, but I only seen him at the euros and a few times on MOTD.
Would probably cost a fortune tho coz he be Tottingham, then add on the English player tax.
I'd like to see us sign Van Dijk in January, as I think he'd be an upgrade on Smalling and a ideal partner for Bailly long term, and give Blind a chance in midfield.
If in the summer Blind can't cut it as a starter in midfield then see who's available.
If in the summer Blind can't cut it as a starter in midfield then see who's available.
Replacing Carrick might be difficult because, with a few exceptions, it tends to be the older midfielders which are capable of fulfilling this role. Carrick wasn't really this sort of player until he was 29/30. Before then he played alongside Scholes who did that job. Scholes wasn't that sort of player until he was 29/30 either.
Signing players of this age is something we don't tend to do, but finding a 22 year old who can dictate play in the way we want is going to be very tricky.
Signing players of this age is something we don't tend to do, but finding a 22 year old who can dictate play in the way we want is going to be very tricky.
He's needed to be replaced for so long now. It'll be a relief when he is. Love him and he still does the business when called upon, but he shouldn't be the answer anymore.
How's his movement after that horrible injury, does it limit him to sit deeper, or is it just another phase of his career so he's mould into that role?
I honestly don't watch much football outside of Premier league but we should be aiming to get a midfielder in Carrick mould after all, because under Jose we are never going to play high line in which a player like wouldn't be completely necessary but we like to sit deeper and set up counters more often than not...
I think Herrera could be very well moulded into a great player but maybe it's too soon for him, right now he has plenty of energy and it would be waste to let him sit even though again I am sure he would be success there
I think we should be aiming to get Verratti or Modric for few years before we can move Herrera there or find a better replacement, these are two worldies who would fit really well into team..
Why don't we just play Herrera and Schneiderlin in a midfield two with Pogba out wide Atletico-style? 4-4-2!
A good try, in my opinion, would be Sporting's William Carvalho.
The system is incredibly complex, they don't play in a flat 4-4-2, most of the time it's an assymetric 4-3-1-2 and the 3 midfielders that are staying back need to understand very quickly what is happening, it's particularly difficult for the opposing wide midfielder, their strikers have a very good understanding of the defensive game and covers their midfielders when needed and most importantly they use an extremely narrow sliding defensive system with a high pressing in very limited areas.
Simeone is a borderline genius, I don't know how he manages to teach that to so many players.
Strootman is back playing every week for Roma. Atletico have Torres still on loan to Porto. Hard to see Atletico taking Oliver Torres back next season unless they plan to sell one of Niguez or Koke. Anyone of those 3 from Atletico would be a nice signing.
Eric Dier would cost a fortune, with no guarantee he would go or Spurs would sell him. Id love him at United though.
I'm not too sure about him. Think he would be another Schneiderlin in which he suited the system from the previous team and would struggle to adapt to our team. If we are to continue with the central midfield 3 with Herrera and Pogba then I would rather we got a physical presence in the 3rd central midfield role.
Jose's comments about Carrick today give me hope that he's already got his main scouts looking for a replacement, such a crucial role for us with the players we currently have.
Will Hughes at Derby was a name that always used to be bandied about as the 'next Carrick'.
Seems to have gone a bit quiet on him. I see he's still only 21 though.
Seems to have gone a bit quiet on him. I see he's still only 21 though.
If we sign a decent CB, Blind has all the attributes to replace Carrick.
One of the hardest players for us to have replaced in recent years but the first thing to think about is whoever replaces Carrick needs to be the sort of player Mourinho likes to use.
William Carvalho is a good shout. Had a good Euros, and is a good age. He's also physically built to handle this league.
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I don't think it limits him to sit deeper, if anything I think that's the midfielder he will turn into sooner than later IMO. He never was the quickest to begin with, but he covers a lot of ground and closes spaces intelligently, similar to Carrick. His passing is what makes him valuable to us. Last summer I argued against Gündogan because of his injury woes and you should probably do the same with Strootman. What would worry me the most is probably the transition from Italian football to English. Players seem to find it very difficult.
What do people think of Naby Keita from Leipzig? He seems to be a very talented player.
I thought the replacement was Schneiderlin?
He was supposed to be one piece of the puzzle to replace Carrick.
I always thought BFS would take over Carricks role for next few at least but I guess that is out of the equation. I don't see anyone else who can fulfill that role in our squad currently so surely a replacement has to be one of our priorities next summer.
Easier said than done though. Carrick is one of the most underrated Utd players ever.
Easier said than done though. Carrick is one of the most underrated Utd players ever.
Feels like a player who's as close to a carbon copy of Carrick as you can get. With the hype dying out, maybe we could get him for a fair price aswell.
I do think that we should try Blind there first though. I think that him playing so much at CB might have helped to prepare him for that role.
So Carrick will require more than one player on the pitch to be replaced?
Blind. One word answer.
This all day long
Somebody other than Blind
Blind has good composure on the ball, has the ability to drive the ball forwards, can put in a tackle and is reliable. I would have preferred for us to have gone and got Kante, but that ship has sailed now.
Blind is good but I prefer him in defence as of now. How good is Ruben Neves supposed to be? The right signing to replace carrick to play alongside Herrera and Pogba will complete our central midfield.
We have a choice to make here. Either we go for someone combative in the Kante mould or a playmaking CM.
We have a choice to make here. Either we go for someone combative in the Kante mould or a playmaking CM.
I don't think Blind has the physicality nor mobility to play there on a regular basis, he'd be far too inconsistent. I don't think he has the same ability as Carrick when playing penetrative passes from midfield under pressure either.
He was bullied a couple of times when playing there under van Gaal and the same issues would likely re-emerge if he was tried there now. I'd much prefer if we went for someone who is accustomed to playing that role.
He was bullied a couple of times when playing there under van Gaal and the same issues would likely re-emerge if he was tried there now. I'd much prefer if we went for someone who is accustomed to playing that role.