Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

When do players ever publicly say they don't want to join us? Thiago didn't publicly say it, Vidal didn't publicly say it, Fabregas didn't publicly say it, Ronaldinho didn't publicly say it, Hazard didn't publicly say it. I mean, just read between the lines

Didn't Thiago have a deal in place to join? But Moyes said no?

Ronaldinho wanted to, but Laporta became Barca president, Beckham rejected them which lead Barca to gazump us and he simply wanted them more.

Didn't Hazard also have no qualms, but we wouldn't pay his agent fee?

 

[Troozi]

I've got no idea why FDJ is willing to stay at Barca after everything that's happened.

I appreciate he's owed a lot of money, but Barca really seem to be taking the piss with playing him CB and the forced wage cuts.

Even if you don't come to us, get the feck out of there.

 

[Plant0x84]

Didn't Thiago have a deal in place to join? But Moyes said no?

Ronaldinho wanted to, but Laporta became Barca president, Beckham rejected them which lead Barca to gazump us and he simply wanted them more.

Didn't Hazard also have no qualms, but we wouldn't pay his agent fee?

Yup and even Fabregas assured Moyes he would join if he wasn’t in Barcas plans, but then there was an injury, he played and the rest is history. Things change and situations aren’t always black and white or the way the media makes them out to be.

 

[Ted Lasso]

Genuinely can't recall a transfer saga as messed up as this

 

[Redcy]

I'm not scout for United or ETH am I? If I was, I'd be a rich man. But, I would probably be going for FDJ and one of Neves, Tielemans. Because If we do sign FDJ do we expect him to play 90 minutes of every flipping game? Pogba Matic and Mata are gone remember?

If you think tielemans or neves are anywhere near fdj in quality you are already out. Tielemans is worse than Fred, neves is better but will cost more than fdj and we would need another midfielder for neves to work

 

[red thru&thru]

Come on mate, the only midfielder capable of substantially improving upon a McFred midfield is Frenkie de Jong. Every top 20 team in Europe has a midfield far stronger than Manchester United's and only one of them has Frenkie de Jong in them and he's not even a regular starter for them. But SOMEHOW, in the minds of Manchester United's "DOF", the manager, and some users on this forum...only Frenkie de Jong is the good enough option to make our midfield world class!

I can't stop laughing. How have fans managed to buy into this propaganda bullshit to excuse Murtough's incompetence in subpar scouting hook, line, and sinker? Only Frenkie de Jong is good enough. Yet every team is building a far stronger midfield without a de jong.

Only De Jong! De Jong or bust! No De Jong? Then I'd rather another season of McFred! Only De Jong! No one else!

Seriously what the feck? This club's incompetence will drive me fecking mad. 9 years of this shit. They had the richest and biggest club in England in 2014, and they managed to reduce us to a state where a player would rather reduce his wages by 50% and play as a backup then to come over and play for us. And after all this they still won't learn that they should hire actual football people to handle transfers and squad building like a normal football club should. Not delegate it entirely to a fecking manager, as they have since Moyes and it has been failing every single time since then! Get a real DOF, a real one. Not a banker.

Hahaha, what a funny post. You may need to step away from supporting the club, clearly not good for your health.

 

[fps]

I've got no idea why FDJ is willing to stay at Barca after everything that's happened.

I appreciate he's owed a lot of money, but Barca really seem to be taking the piss with playing him CB and the forced wage cuts.

Even if you don't come to us, get the feck out of there.

He's played CB before, and look at Mascherano, he was a top midfielder at Liverpool who became a top CB at Barca. It's not outlandish, and Xavi is a genuine, all-time legend of the game.

Also, take a look at Barcelona, then Manchester. That's a lifestyle change.

 

[ReallyUSA]

Hopefully ETH moves the feck on now

 

[the_cliff]

So if FDJ takes a wage cut and stays, will we finally give up on this transfer ? Or is it FDJ or bust ? meaning there's no other CM in world football that's better than what we have currently ?

 

[pocco]

One thing is becoming more clear, Barca certainly won't be paying him to clear off. They said Xavi will tell him he's not wanted and he didn't. I think the media portrayal of Barca pushing him out has been exaggerated. I think they've used our interest as leverage to try to get him to sign a new deal.

 

[mu4c_20le]

So if FDJ takes a wage cut and stays, will we finally give up on this transfer ? Or is it FDJ or bust ? meaning there's no other CM in world football that's better than what we have currently ?

I imagine we'll do a Sancho and come back next year. Maybe he needs a year of being a bit part player to convince him.

 

[redshaw]

Does anyone here truly believe these reports? Or can we file them under shit that was said that probably didn't happen?

Sometimes things just sound too stupid to be true and this definitely feels like one of them things

We've had similar stuff happen before in this saga then later clarified to suggest the deal is back on and no need to worry.

It's a weird one as you can make a case for many outcomes, it seems in the balance to leaving to us, staying or even now being earmarked by another CL club that tell him we'll buy you next summer and hold tight for a year there.

It's also an exciting time with Lewa and other signings plus no threat to CL places. He can see himself working his way back in the team later and you never know when he first moved from Ajax he could've used PSG to get a bumper wage out of Barca but was willing to play for half that when it comes down to it.

 

[Gambit]

I'm wondering if part of it is to to try and force him to make a transfer request, which will mean they probably can welch on the deals with him.

 

[GoldanoGraham]

Bottom line is nobody biggin there shit online has a bloody clue….

There must be some possibility that FDJ is a possibility otherwise we would have vocally said so…..

FDJ and his mouth pieces haven’t said shit either….:Barcas mouthpieces have been talking verbal shite…..

i think now though that this is becoming so long in the tooth that everyone is becoming bored of the saga and if he signs it won’t be to the fanfare that it could have been……don’t think the fans will ever truely believe he wants to be a Utd player

 

[Cassidy]

i won't forgive FDJ if he doesn't join and we have another season of McT

Whats it got to do with him? Club could go for an alternative if it wanted to.

 

[UnofficialDevil]

If you think tielemans or neves are anywhere near fdj in quality you are already out. Tielemans is worse than Fred, neves is better but will cost more than fdj and we would need another midfielder for neves to work

So if De Jong Didnt exist. Let's just say that there is no De jong for conversations’ sake. You wouldn't sign a midfielder. You wouldn't think of bringing anybody in because there is nobody out there to sign. Is that what you are saying?

 

[Gavinb33]

If he takes a pay cut to 50% and has to play at CB, he might as well let Laporta take a shit in his mouth at the same time fecking hell

 

[Brownie85]

Hopefully ETH moves the feck on now

Hang on, you want us to move on based on a single report that no other reporter has backed up or confirmed.

File this one under the same as the Chelsea reports, crap thats reported in Spain but is usually BS

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

One thing is becoming more clear, Barca certainly won't be paying him to clear off. They said Xavi will tell him he's not wanted and he didn't. I think the media portrayal of Barca pushing him out has been exaggerated. I think they've used our interest as leverage to try to get him to sign a new deal.

Been obvious for a while, I posted it last week.

It's why they "agreed" a deal with us, but never actually allowed Frenkie and his agent to then discuss personal terms. They have always wanted to keep him, just on much much lower wages, and have been trying to play FdJ's bluff, first by agreeing to talk with United but not allowing him to talk back, and then by taking him on tour and attempting to take some power away from him in the negotiatons over his wage.

The saga is dragged out not because of FdJ, but because Barca hope that by dragging it out, he'll eventually cave and sign off tens of millions.

I still call bulllshit, he could've done that two months ago when he still felt loved and important at the club, to do it now after being treated like utter shite and told you'll be playing out of position just sounds like utter horse shit to me.

 

[JuriM]

So if De Jong Didnt exist. Let's just say that there is no De jong for conversations’ sake. You wouldn't sign a midfielder. You wouldn't think of bringing anybody in because there is nobody out there to sign. Is that what you are saying?

it doesn't matter neither Neves nor Tielemans can play the role Frenkie would do and fit Ten Hag's vision of the midfielder he wants - so he would get it do with our kids and develop one from Garner/Igbal/Savage.

 

[Red Shorts]

Hopefully ETH moves the feck on now

Oh crap I missed it, has he come out publically saying he has accepted the reduced wages?

 

[crossy1686]

So does he take the pay cut and stay or does he leave? What's it going to be?

 

[Redcy]

If Frenkie signs a new contract with Barcelona that rescinds payment of deferred wages, then of course. But I can’t imagine Frenkie agreeing to such terms. Maybe they settle on a number between 0 and 17m. Maybe.

They can’t afford to pay him that’s the whole point. If he signs a new contract it has to be for half his wage.

 

[Brownie85]

Bottom line is nobody biggin there shit online has a bloody clue….

There must be some possibility that FDJ is a possibility otherwise we would have vocally said so…..

FDJ and his mouth pieces haven’t said shit either….:Barcas mouthpieces have been talking verbal shite…..

i think now though that this is becoming so long in the tooth that everyone is becoming bored of the saga and if he signs it won’t be to the fanfare that it could have been……don’t think the fans will ever truely believe he wants to be a Utd player

People are literally loosing their shit over a report from some random guy in Spain, with no other reporters backing it up or even mentioning it. However, in true Caf format, it's negative so it must be absolutely true.
So people, when can we expect the brief from United that we've pulled out and won't be going after him anymore? We won't cos this is pretty much BS and if it was true, it would be being reported everywhere by now i'd imagine because it's a complete 180 from him reportedly not wanting to take a pay cut

 

[UnofficialDevil]

it doesn't matter neither Neves nor Tielemans can play the role Frenkie would do and fit Ten Hag's vision of the midfielder he wants - so he would get it do with our kids and develop one from Garner/Igbal/Savage.

Ah, OK. Let's remain a mid table team forever then. Try and remember what Champions League football is like while developing Garner.

 

[Plant0x84]

So if De Jong Didnt exist. Let's just say that there is no De jong for conversations’ sake. You wouldn't sign a midfielder. You wouldn't think of bringing anybody in because there is nobody out there to sign. Is that what you are saying?

That’s a really stupid arguement. There is a de Jong, so to argue otherwise is just dumb.

 

[Plant0x84]

Ah, OK. Let's remain a mid table team forever then. Try and remember what Champions League football is like while developing Garner.

How long has 6th been midtable? So fecking over dramatic. Maybe take a time out fella, you’re having a mare!

 

[Aeryis]

it doesn't matter neither Neves nor Tielemans can play the role Frenkie would do and fit Ten Hag's vision of the midfielder he wants - so he would get it do with our kids and develop one from Garner/Igbal/Savage.

If it was that easy to develop quality young midfielders to fight for titles, then every single top team would do it. But they don't, they buy players instead. Because the odds of an academy talent rising to that level of ability is ridiculously low. Manchester United isn't an exception. Forsaking buying midfielders to solely develop talents is something even teams that live off developing talents and selling them do not do (Ajax, Dortmund, Lyon, Monaco). You're basically saying we should relinquish our ambitions as a top club, because that's an asinine strategy that would never work in a million years.

 

[UnofficialDevil]

That’s a really stupid arguement. There is a de Jong, so to argue otherwise is just dumb.

Oh my fecking god. But what if we dont sign him for some fecking reason, then what? That's where the stupid argument comes in. Whats dumb, is the De Jong or nothing argument.

 

[groovyalbert]

How long has 6th been midtable? So fecking over dramatic. Maybe take a time out fella, you’re having a mare!

7-14 is midtable. We were fortunate not to end up there last season, and our performances definitely deserved it.

 

[BarryWinks]

One thing is becoming more clear, Barca certainly won't be paying him to clear off. They said Xavi will tell him he's not wanted and he didn't. I think the media portrayal of Barca pushing him out has been exaggerated. I think they've used our interest as leverage to try to get him to sign a new deal.

Yeah, I think so too. Probably the worst thing that could have happened for FDJ is that the likes of PSG/Bayern/City/Chelsea were not in for him. I wager if any of those teams, especially the first two were interested, we'd have heard more noise from his camo about feeling unsettled etc. I don't believe he wants to move to United, our appeal isn't what it used to be, add to it our best player is practically whoring himself out to the rest of Europe, going as far as offering to take a pay cut, we are no longer top of pile.

Barca have probably gone "see, Europe's elite clubs are not actively fighting to sign you, would you rather move to a team like united in their current state or stay here and reassess your wage, maybe even with the option of moving next year after a world cup and potentially new suitors?"

Unfortunately we are in this situation and will probably be starting the season with a worse midfield than last, which is crazy when you think about it.

 

[UnofficialDevil]

How long has 6th been midtable? So fecking over dramatic. Maybe take a time out fella, you’re having a mare!

Spare me the mare fella crap will you. You like being 6th do you? yeah, as long as 6th isnt considered mid table. Nice one.

 

[fps]

How long has 6th been midtable? So fecking over dramatic. Maybe take a time out fella, you’re having a mare!

Not at all - the idea that failing to sign our number 1 midfield target means we bet the house on one of the youngsters becoming a first-teamer is dangerous indeed. Just like Wenger began to believe his own hype around polishing gems, everyone thinks every new prospect is Class of 92 and they just ain't.

 

[glazed]

They can’t afford to pay him that’s the whole point. If he signs a new contract it has to be for half his wage.

It appears that their best choice (but not their only choice) is to to pay him the 17 million in order to get him to leave. So he may yet arrive on our doorsteps but only after a very protracted and traumatic row. Great.

This is the weirdest one ever.

 

[mu4c_20le]

Oh my fecking god. But what if we dont sign him for some fecking reason, then what? That's where the stupid argument comes in. Whats dumb, is the De Jong or nothing argument.

If FDJ didn't exist? Then he wouldn't have helped carry that Ajax side and maybe we wouldn't have hired ETH, and gotten Poch instead. You can't just remove one major variable and expect everythign else to be the same.

 

[Adam-Utd]

if he really chooses to stay to be a bench player on a reduced wage then im glad to be honest, he’s not got the mentality we need.

good luck to him

 

[sourdough satellite]

Scott McTominay will never be good enough to play for United, the faster we get a replacement and move him on, the better.

 

[Plant0x84]

Oh my fecking god. But what if we dont sign him for some fecking reason, then what? That's where the stupid argument comes in. Whats dumb, is the De Jong or nothing argument.

Why is that dumb? The manager wants ‘the right players’ (his words not mine). He has a list of targets and if we can’t get them he will work with what we have rather than waste money on players who don’t fit his requirements Or have a bad attitude. That seem perfectly pragmatic and reasonable to me.

He also hasn’t said de Jong or nothing. He himself said there is a list of players. He then said if we can’t get the right player then we will work with what we have. This is the same as was said when he took the job. It was Rangnick who said buy a whole new team, and then fecked off to Austria.

 

[hellhunter]

Spare me the mare fella crap will you. You like being 6th do you? yeah, as long as 6th isnt considered mid table. Nice one.

You're such a drama queen

 

[Brownie85]

if he really chooses to stay to be a bench player on a reduced wage then im glad to be honest, he’s not got the mentality we need.

good luck to him

Pretty sure he won't accept another pay cut, not after taking one already.
If he stays now, he'll be forced out in January or next summer. His time is up there i think, and i'm sure he knows that too