Agree with this, if he's that attached to Barca then good luck. Hopefully a lot of these reports are just rubbish/barca propaganda and they're simply negotiating the exit and he is excited to play for us.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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How dare you have logical thinking! Be negative, NOW!
How much money can a guy need?
Sorry boss!!
It's over... walk away... move on... Neves... Tielemans... Screw Frenkie.... Feck Barca....
Did i do it right??
I wish people would see these reports for what they are. People garnering quick clicks and views from people desperate for news
Needs more slagging United off
The manager has his vision of what players he needs to fit his tactic and has identified the targets for the club - so the club is chasing the targets. If someone asks you to buy apples, you don't buy oranges and go to them with those instead.
Screw the board... Sack Giggs, Sell ten Hag!!
Nar, their best option has always been for him to sign a new deal on his 2021 wage, around €150k /week, thus signing away tens of millions, and coming a long way under their new "salary cap".
That way they get a terrific player for the prime of his career, on a ridiculously low wage and the 17m "wage debt" is instantly written off.
That's why this has dragged, it's why FdJ was never given permission to talk to United. They want to wait this out as long as possible in the hope he signs, hell maybe they think the new signings will make him more desperate to be part of it, rather than something that really should piss him the feck off.
We'll see. I for one cannot for a second imagine a person allowing themselves to be treated like that, nor can I see a situation where Frenkie has strung a manager he respects along all Summer only to sign a "I got royally fecked in the backside" contract after two months of being treated like shit on Barcelona's shoe.
And of course feck the Glazers for wanting to sign the manager's target
tough to know isn’t it but I don’t see why they’d be leaking the meeting went well. Unless they’re trying to publicly guilt trip him into taking the wage cut.
I’m just a bit lost with it all to be honest. You’d think he’d have more pride to accept being dicked around like this.
People seem to overlook at the fact EtH has already proved in this window, that he will move on from a target if he's not getable. People forget that we swiftly moved on from Timber to Martinez when it was clear Timber wouldn't come.
The little faith shown in EtH is incredible, especially by those who championed his appointment!
Perfect. Hahaha.
Oh of course! Screw the Glazers!!
More to the point, who is the guy that released these reports that we're melting down over? I read he's some crappy tier 3 guy, and to my knowledge i've never seen him tweeting about this saga up until now??
None of the regular sources (Romano, Romero, even fecking Sport) have mentioned this, and you can be sure they'd hop it wouldn't they?
If they'd leaked it, it'd be more than one dude, who isn't considered an amazing source reporting it.
People are so desperate for news on this that reporters can tweet anything. "They had a meeting, they left satisfied". It means absolutely nothing, contains no context whatsoever, no comeback if FdJ leaves tomorrow etc.
Yet people are losing their shit as though FdJ's agent himself tweeted it
Fruit analogies aren't relevant in this scenario, and you'd not have trouble buying an apple anyway because once you agree a price the apple is yours. What is relevant is having a backup plan in case de Jong doesn't join. If it's de Jong or nothing then it's moronic. de Jong should be seen as a shortcut to reach the place Ten Hag wants to be a bit quicker. If Barcelona weren't in the financial mess they are then this whole transfer would have never been possible anyway, so who would Ten Hag have gone for then? He sure as hell wouldn't have said sod it, we'll stick with what we have
In the last 5 seasons we have been 6th twice. The other 3 seasons we have finished 2nd twice and once in third. By no stretch of the imagination have we EVER been midtable.
Furthermore, last season is just about the worst season in my lifetime. An absolute stinker where everything that could go wrong did, and we were only 6th. It was clearly an anomaly rather than the norm and It’s really nothing to have a breakdown about.
Come on mate, the only midfielder capable of substantially improving upon a McFred midfield is Frenkie de Jong. Every top 20 team in Europe has a midfield far stronger than Manchester United's and only one of them has Frenkie de Jong in them and he's not even a regular starter for them. But SOMEHOW, in the minds of Manchester United's "DOF", the manager, and some users on this forum...only Frenkie de Jong is the good enough option to make our midfield world class!
I can't stop laughing. How have fans managed to buy into this propaganda bullshit to excuse Murtough's incompetence in subpar scouting hook, line, and sinker? Only Frenkie de Jong is good enough.
Only De Jong! De Jong or bust! No De Jong? Then I'd rather another season of McFred! Only De Jong! No one else!
Seriously what the feck? This club's incompetence will drive me fecking mad. 9 years of this shit. They had the richest and biggest club in England in 2014, and they managed to reduce us to a state where a player would rather reduce his wages by 50% and play as a backup then to come over and play for us. And after all this they still won't learn that they should hire actual football people to handle transfers and squad building like a normal football club should. Not delegate it entirely to a fecking manager, as they have since Moyes and it has been failing every single time since then! Get a real DOF, a real one. Not a banker.
Its crazy how this mindset of xyz or bust is so common in this forum. Probably promoted by Jose and lvg moaning about not their number 1 targets. It's doing my head in how everyone has accepted that the only way forward is frenkie or develop from within. If he comes and gets a long term injury do we pack it in for the season? If we had a proper recruitment structure there would be a long list of attainable deep midfielders who are much better than what we have at the moment.
I said the other day it confuses me how the Glazer protests never bring up our messed up football structure. Its a battle I feel we could win if pushed them for a proper football structure. Here we are again on the 5th permanent manager since Sir Alex we are still doing the same thing. Spent summer 2013 chasing fabregas whilst trying to keep Rooney. Summer 2022 we are chasing Frenkie whilst Ronaldo is looking for a way out.
How do you know EtH hasn't got a back up plan?
Also, how do you know EtH wants an external addition?
No offense to ETH and the management, but if he thinks Frenkie De Jong (or his 'skillset') is the only suitable and quality player to improve our current midfield then he's simply wrong. Given all his other targets, linked to Ajax directly or indirectly, he's coming off as a stubborn and narrow-minded manager. The club should have a DOF, a scouting system and infrastructure, all focuses to build a squad tailored to their ideas; players complementing each other. They should be hiring coaches they think would fit the players. That's how every top club functions. Treating the manager like a god catering to his demands doesn't work. We've been trying it since Moyes, it doesn't work. We won't get another SAF.
Coaches can be brilliant tacticians, brilliant at in game management and developing players and they can still suck at scouting. We should not be hinging our so called "rebuild" on ETH's brilliant scouting network that's supposedly only restricted to Eredivisie players he's managed, worked with, or played against. It's just asinine.
We were all whining about a DOF a year ago, Woodward's incompetence, and now that ETH is here it's "yeah nevermind, just do what he wants." No top club does that. They simply don't. Not Bayern, Madrid, City, Chelsea, or Juventus.
Why are folk bothered about that tweet? It says absolutely nothing new, just that Frenkie has to cut his wages if he wants to stay. We knew that already.
It doesn't say anywhere that he agreed to cut his wages.
It doesn't say anywhere that he agreed to cut his wages.
I can live with him staying there. What i cannot stand is hoping McFred is enough to get us through the whole season
fecking hell.
ETH has clearly got assurances from his ex player that he wants to come. The club have also agreed a deal with Barca.
We can have all the DoF's in the fecking World, and an amazing scouting team, but they aren't gonna find a sure thing like FdJ, it'll be a gamble of a player, due to our current situation. When you consider that, and just how well ETH and FdJ worked together previously it's a fecking no brainer.
So what do the club, a DoF, or scouts say at a "top club"? fecking give over Erik, he's bullshitting you so we're moving on you moron?
Your last paragraph is a legit concern that makes me a bit uneasy as well. More so with our other targets, think most managers would've liked to sign De Jong
People are getting paranoid about the "left the meeting looking satisfied" and are reading too much into it.
How do people know what was said in the meeting if people only saw what they looked like upon leaving? How does someone look satisfied?? I can be seriously pissed off and look absolutely fine on the outside.
There is no proof of either.
Because he came out of that meeting smiling.
You were there? Did you see that?
Did you even bother reading the article or just the mistranslated tweet?? It said they both left looking satisfied, not smiling!
There's absolutely no "proof" of anything in this, other than that FDJ does not want to sign a new deal with FC Barcelona, and that Barca cannot allow a situation in which he stays on his current, we know that because well, Barcelona mention it every other day and they've been pushing for two months and he hasn't signed shit.
There's no "proof" United are even interested, if it's "proof" you're looking for.
Frenkie De Jong has no intention of leaving his fiancee after catching her in bed with another guy. Reports suggest he's come out of the bedroom smiling and satisfied.
No proof of either?
Ornstein basically said we have a full agreement with Barca, it's a bloody threadmark! And for assurances, reports have been around for ages now saying that de Jong and ten Hag talk daily. If you honestly think in that time he hasn't sought assurances that he wants to play for United, then i really don't know what to tell you. But let me guess, all those reports and tweets are BS, but any negative ones, regardless of the source, are the truth?
EtH HAS already proven in this window he has alternatives to his targets.
He moved on from Timber to Martinez. So can people STOP pretending that EtH, or any fans, think it's FdJ or bust.
Clearly EtH has all his eggs in the FdJ basket. And until EtH gives us fans any reason not to, we should back him!
He moved on from Timber to Martinez. So can people STOP pretending that EtH, or any fans, think it's FdJ or bust.
Clearly EtH has all his eggs in the FdJ basket. And until EtH gives us fans any reason not to, we should back him!
Fixed.
He’d be nuts to sign a new contract
Be completely honest with this question….
Between yourself and ETH, who’s judgment do you trust more?
If the answer is yourself, then you have an argument to be presented. If the answer is ETH, then why are you concerned?
True, but that doesn't stop PSG or some other team throwing silly money at him. If he can't play for the club he loves, he might choose silly money. Nothing guarantees a transfer to us.
how does Xavi saying he’s gonna play him at CB fit into this plan though?
So the logical ‘long route’ to where ten Hag wants to be is to develop the squad he has. It certainly isn’t to fill the squad with unsuitable players.
You can’t keep changing the scenario to suit your argument. De Jong does exist, he is available and we are working on getting him in until such a time as it becomes apparent that it cannot happen for whatever reason.
Which to me, is a clear sign that his ex player has assured him he wants to come.
Barcelona don't wanna fecking deal with a severance package the cnuts, they want him to stay and sign off tens of millions, alternatively the second less desirable option is for him to leave and sign away of tens of millions. Unitl those feckwits give him a chance to come talk to United, or as ETH put it "make him available", United's hands are tied.
I'm sure that ETH and the club have a couple of back-up plans in the works, if it appears Barcelona will not make him available.
It's an annoying as feck waiting game, but it's very harsh to put it on ETH or the club set-up.
Shows him that his worth isn't that of a 300k /week midfielder. He's gonna be an important player, an option.
I don't think they really give a shit about his position, I think he's a brilliant footballer they would like to have in the squad mind, but only if he's being paid "cheaply".
Oh god no, not smiling. The cardinal sin. Ole lost his job for smiling, the cheerful,bastard. It’s cannot be allowed to happen at this club. We are a great institution, we don’t go around flippantly smiling.
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