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Frenkie to United?

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Brownie85 said:
Not at all because even if it was true, it would be absolutely fecking stupid for him to agree to it, which i'm sure he thinks too. Not even someone who loves the club that much would agree to them demands
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I saw the flurry of activity here and then loads of people losing their shit so had to go back to find the source of it. I was amazed that it seems a bit of a meh source saying that a meeting took place and someone left “satisfied”. What the feck does that even mean? :lol:
I don’t buy it for a second.

There is no way that the last two months have gone on only for the player to completely shit the bed and agree to everything that the club wanted him to do two months ago. This despite them treating him like utter shit, despite them buying players all over the shop with his money.
It’s absolute codswallop
 
red thru&thru said:
Yeah. Name me a list of players has his skillset that is getable?

Guaranteed you'll say Neves and Tielemans.
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I'm not scout for United or ETH am I? If I was, I'd be a rich man. But, I would probably be going for FDJ and one of Neves, Tielemans. Because If we do sign FDJ do we expect him to play 90 minutes of every flipping game? Pogba Matic and Mata are gone remember?
 
Brownie85 said:
To be honest with you, i'd be very surprised if he did appear to be sulky in meetings. This is his dream club, he's not going to go into a meeting looking for trouble is he?
As you say he'll be on to his agent right after it saying they've said this, or that... this is far from over i think
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It’s different types of people. Some people will react hard and without thinking about it first, some will think about it and challenge it, while some (FdJ probably) are a peoples pleasers and will take anything they got acting positive. But obviously his not going to be happy and his agent will hear all about it.

I might be wrong, but he reminds me of a people pleaser.
 
Plant0x84 said:
Which part of ’ former manager who gave him his break and knows his strengths inside out’ do you will fully ignore?
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I'm not ignoring that at all. I'm just saying that nothing is guaranteed. Playing for United in the PL is completely different to Eredivisie and La Liga. Look at how Varane is struggling currently at United.

You've absolutely got no basis for asserting that de Jong will be a success at United. I really hope he does because ten Hag appears to be hanging his hat on him. We'll just have to wait and see.
 
House Mkhitaryan said:
"He has to make economic decision to be part of the project."

Am I missing something or doesn't he already have a contract signed with Barcelona? Is Xavi saying that if he takes a 50% pay cut, they will play him but if he doesn't, they won't? Is that even legal?
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Sure, Real Madrid paid Bale to play golf for a few years after all.
 
NZT-One said:
Man, as in so many aspects of life, this group of people acts mostly as other groups on all sorts of aspects. They go for the least complex and easiest route. All the Barca bashing is just there so they don't have to think about actual alternative routes. You see some explanations are lined up already "Barca has to do this...", "Barce needs to do that...", "if the player does that, then I don't even want him" ,yadda yadda yadda. Losing focus on the task at hand, improving this football team at all costs. Its a shame, as I feel, our club takes the exact same route: go for a good player, seemingly have no worthy plan B in place, and be ready to remind everybody that we wanted to provide the player the manager wanted and that we did all we could... All while the situation regarding midfield isn't even sooo complicated. It isn't like we are stocked or something, we could just go for another midfielder without stopping the pursuit of FDJ.
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I mean yeah, I could understand it if we already had a team that is working like clockwork and ETH only has one player in mind that fits that clock, but our team is fecking shite, we need about 10 fecking clogs to get this clock working.
 
NZT-One said:
Man, as in so many aspects of life, this group of people acts mostly as other groups on all sorts of aspects. They go for the least complex and easiest route. All the Barca bashing is just there so they don't have to think about actual alternative routes. You see some explanations are lined up already "Barca has to do this...", "Barce needs to do that...", "if the player does that, then I don't even want him" ,yadda yadda yadda. Losing focus on the task at hand, improving this football team at all costs. Its a shame, as I feel, our club takes the exact same route: go for a good player, seemingly have no worthy plan B in place, and be ready to remind everybody that we wanted to provide the player the manager wanted and that we did all we could... All while the situation regarding midfield isn't even sooo complicated. It isn't like we are stocked or something, we could just go for another midfielder without stopping the pursuit of FDJ.
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Klopp should never have waited for VVD. He should have moved on when he never got him first time around.

SAF should not have waited for Ruud when he got injured.

Also, if there is an adequate alternative, a manager like EtH will already be aware of him and working on him.

This person says he was one of the people who started a thread about wanting EtH before many others but yet, seems to have very little faith in his choice of manager.
 
pascell said:
Because it's an amount owed in a legally binding contract, he is owed the money and signing a new deal doesn't make it go away.
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That is not strictly true. They can offer him a new deal based on a reduction in Salary and forge any owed differed wages in return for a longer term deal and conditions on playing time. Unlikely of course but both parties can agree to wiping the slate on the deferred salary.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
I'm not scout for United or ETH am I? If I was, I'd be a rich man. But, I would probably be going for FDJ and one of Neves, Tielemans. Because If we do sign FDJ do we expect him to play 90 minutes of every flipping game? Pogba Matic and Mata are gone remember?
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So, you started a thread about a manager you have little faith in?
 
red thru&thru said:
Klopp should never have waited for VVD. He should have moved on when he never got him first time around.

SAF should not have waited for Ruud when he got injured.

Also, if there is an adequate alternative, a manager like EtH will already be aware of him and working on him.

This person says he was one of the people who started a thread about wanting EtH before many others but yet, seems to have very little faith in his choice of manager.
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SAF and Klopp only needed one player to tweak their already brilliant teams. Not the case here is it?? Our midfield doesnt need tweaking, it needs an overhaul. Stop using silly comparisons. Reminds me of the dumb Ole vs Saf comparisons.
 
red thru&thru said:
Klopp should never have waited for VVD. He should have moved on when he never got him first time around.

SAF should not have waited for Ruud when he got injured.

Also, if there is an adequate alternative, a manager like EtH will already be aware of him and working on him.

This person says he was one of the people who started a thread about wanting EtH before many others but yet, seems to have very little faith in his choice of manager.
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VVD wanted to join Liverpool
RVN wanted to join United
FDJ doesn't want to leave Barca/join United
 
red thru&thru said:
Yeah. Name me a list of players has his skillset that is getable?

Guaranteed you'll say Neves and Tielemans.
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Maybe you go first to describe the unique skillset that FDJ brings to the table ^^ If we somehow identified FDJ as a target we risk most of the window on we should be able to identify (we should have that weeks ago) alternatives. Be that a player like Neves, Tielemans, Bennacer, Grillitsch, Ruiz or Caqueret or some sort of combination of two players. Again, what you guys are doing is acting as if we can't do anything else than waiting. Do you think Pep or Klopp would just sit on their hands after a few years like ours? That Bayern or Real would sit and wait what another club is doing?

Thats BS. And if FDJ is sooooo unique, then fecking pay up. Increase wages, add boni, add signonfee - whatever. But do something other than waiting for others
 
Redcy said:
how? If he signs a new contract that it ?!
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If Frenkie signs a new contract with Barcelona that rescinds payment of deferred wages, then of course. But I can’t imagine Frenkie agreeing to such terms. Maybe they settle on a number between 0 and 17m. Maybe.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
SAF and Klopp only needed one player to tweak their already brilliant teams. Not the case here is it?? Our midfield doesnt need tweaking, it needs an overhaul. Stop using silly comparisons. Reminds me of the dumb Ole vs Saf comparisons.
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We need to add quality, not just numbers. We have plenty of numbers in the squad.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
VVD wanted to join Liverpool
RVN wanted to join United
FDJ doesn't want to leave Barca/join United
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So, FdJ told you, and the media he doesn't want to come to United but yet failed to tell EtH, a person who he has a close relationship with?

Okay, yeah, I misunderstood this one.
 
Does anyone here truly believe these reports? Or can we file them under shit that was said that probably didn't happen?

Sometimes things just sound too stupid to be true and this definitely feels like one of them things
 
red thru&thru said:
So, FdJ told you, and the media he doesn't want to come to United but yet failed to tell EtH, a person who he has a close relationship with?

Okay, yeah, I misunderstood this one.
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No worries, you'll see for yourself when the window shuts on 1st September and we're left empty handed
 
NZT-One said:
Maybe you go first to describe the unique skillset that FDJ brings to the table ^^ If we somehow identified FDJ as a target we risk most of the window on we should be able to identify (we should have that weeks ago) alternatives. Be that a player like Neves, Tielemans, Bennacer, Grillitsch, Ruiz or Caqueret or some sort of combination of two players. Again, what you guys are doing is acting as if we can't do anything else than waiting. Do you think Pep or Klopp would just sit on their hands after a few years like ours? That Bayern or Real would sit and wait what another club is doing?

Thats BS. And if FDJ is sooooo unique, then fecking pay up. Increase wages, add boni, add signonfee - whatever. But do something other than waiting for others
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I never said NO ONE has the same skillset as FdJ. I said limited players.

EtH virtually confirmed this in his interview in mid week when asked about signing FdJ...without naming him.
 
red thru&thru said:
So, FdJ told you, and the media he doesn't want to come to United but yet failed to tell EtH, a person who he has a close relationship with?

Okay, yeah, I misunderstood this one.
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I mean it's not even a stretch to imagine he has told ETH this, he's said it in public. The only thing making this deal possible is Barca's desire to sell him, and him being okay coming here as a last resort.
 
Brownie85 said:
Does anyone here truly believe these reports? Or can we file them under shit that was said that probably didn't happen?

Sometimes things just sound too stupid to be true and this definitely feels like one of them things
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Yeah it’s total BS.
 
red thru&thru said:
Klopp should never have waited for VVD. He should have moved on when he never got him first time around.

SAF should not have waited for Ruud when he got injured.

Also, if there is an adequate alternative, a manager like EtH will already be aware of him and working on him.

This person says he was one of the people who started a thread about wanting EtH before many others but yet, seems to have very little faith in his choice of manager.
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When Klopp went for VVD and Allisson they were very well established already. Not the same situation with us right now. Don't know about Ruud, was before my time as a fan.

Look man, lets not get distracted about the right level of trust in somebody. ETH is a young manager, I am very happy to have him. But surely I wouldn't trust my life on him as club. He is an unknown, we have people in the club who are supposedly responsible to create a competitive squad. We don't have to talk about trust or not, look where all our trust in Ole brought us. Lets make smart decisions. Think for ourselves, think about potential risks. Not just closing eyes hoping ETH will somehow fix things.

ETH has my trust to create a new team for us. A new system. But he shouldn't be the only one making decisions on that. Thats exactly what brought us to where we are in the last 10 years.
 
pcaming said:
I mean it's not even a stretch to imagine he has told ETH this, he's said it in public. The only thing making this deal possible is Barca's desire to sell him, and him being okay coming here as a last resort.
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When did he say publicly he didn't want to join United?
 
Brownie85 said:
Does anyone here truly believe these reports? Or can we file them under shit that was said that probably didn't happen?

Sometimes things just sound too stupid to be true and this definitely feels like one of them things
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File it under "horse shit".

2 months ago he had the opportunity to sign a new deal. He and his agent told the club to go to feck. His position two months ago was much better than it is today.

There's just no way that after 2 months of treating him like shite, telling him he's gonna play a bit at CB and showing him he'll see alot of bench that NOW he decides that actually, that deal they offered two months ago sounds rather satisfying. Utter horse shit.
 
pcaming said:
I mean it's not even a stretch to imagine he has told ETH this, he's said it in public. The only thing making this deal possible is Barca's desire to sell him, and him being okay coming here as a last resort.
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I'm sorry, but what?

Has he ever said that he doesn't want to join United publicly? I don't think he has
 
Berbasbullet said:
When did he say publicly he didn't want to join United?
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When do players ever publicly say they don't want to join us? Thiago didn't publicly say it, Vidal didn't publicly say it, Fabregas didn't publicly say it, Ronaldinho didn't publicly say it, Hazard didn't publicly say it. I mean, just read between the lines
 
UnofficialDevil said:
:lol: Come on mate. I love ETH, started a thread about getting him way before he was getting talked about, but there are very limited players who have FDJ skillset??
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Come on mate, the only midfielder capable of substantially improving upon a McFred midfield is Frenkie de Jong. Every top 20 team in Europe has a midfield far stronger than Manchester United's and only one of them has Frenkie de Jong in them and he's not even a regular starter for them. But SOMEHOW, in the minds of Manchester United's "DOF", the manager, and some users on this forum...only Frenkie de Jong is the good enough option to make our midfield world class!

I can't stop laughing. How have fans managed to buy into this propaganda bullshit to excuse Murtough's incompetence in subpar scouting hook, line, and sinker? Only Frenkie de Jong is good enough. :lol: Yet every team is building a far stronger midfield without a de jong.

Only De Jong! De Jong or bust! No De Jong? Then I'd rather another season of McFred! Only De Jong! No one else!

Seriously what the feck? This club's incompetence will drive me fecking mad. 9 years of this shit. They had the richest and biggest club in England in 2014, and they managed to reduce us to a state where a player would rather reduce his wages by 50% and play as a backup then to come over and play for us. And after all this they still won't learn that they should hire actual football people to handle transfers and squad building like a normal football club should. Not delegate it entirely to a fecking manager, as they have since Moyes and it has been failing every single time since then! Get a real DOF, a real one. Not a banker.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
I agree, but I can't believe that on this whole planet of football players the only quality we can add to our midfield is De Jong or nothing, again considering how low in quality our midfield is.
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How do you know EtH hasn't already looked at the other possible alternatives? How do we know these targets are even possible to get?

Also, EtH has already shown in this window, if he cannot get a target he wants, he will move on to the nex target.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
When do players ever publicly say they don't want to join us? Thiago didn't publicly say it, Vidal didn't publicly say it, Fabregas didn't publicly say it, Ronaldinho didn't publicly say it, Hazard didn't publicly say it. I mean, just read between the lines
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I am! And I dont think united stick around unless he is open to the move.
 
Aeryis said:
Come on mate, the only midfielder capable of substantially improving upon a McFred midfield is Frenkie de Jong. Every top 20 team in Europe has a midfield far stronger than Manchester United's and only one of them has Frenkie de Jong in them and he's not even a regular starter for them. But SOMEHOW, in the minds of Manchester United's "DOF", the manager, and some users on this forum...only Frenkie de Jong is the good enough option to make our midfield world class!

I can't stop laughing. How have fans managed to buy into this propaganda bullshit to excuse Murtough's incompetence in subpar scouting hook, line, and sinker? Only Frenkie de Jong is good enough. :lol: Yet every team is building a far stronger midfield without a de jong.

Only De Jong! De Jong or bust! No De Jong? Then I'd rather another season of McFred! Only De Jong! No one else!

Seriously what the feck? This club's incompetence will drive me fecking mad. 9 years of this shit. They had the richest and biggest club in England in 2014, and they managed to reduce us to a state where a player would rather reduce his wages by 50% and play as a backup then to come over and play for us. And after all this they still won't learned that they should hire actual football people to handle transfers and squad building like a normal football club should.
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I think you are waaaay past that dude. :nervous:
 
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