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Frenkie to United?


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You just wonder what point we'll give up and move on to other targets because whatever happens, we desperately need a midfielder.
 
True, but that doesn't stop PSG or some other team throwing silly money at him. If he can't play for the club he loves, he might choose silly money. Nothing guarantees a transfer to us.

Yet there are no reports that PSG are willing to do any such thing.

If he can't play for the club he loves, he's probably smarter playing for a manager that loves him, and knows how to get the best out of him, a manager where he enjoyed the best form of his career.
 
Shows him that his worth isn't that of a 300k /week midfielder. He's gonna be an important player, an option.

I don't think they really give a shit about his position, I think he's a brilliant footballer they would like to have in the squad mind, but only if he's being paid "cheaply".
So do you think that they'll end up keeping him?
I thought the plan was to get rid so they can get his wages totally off the books, enabling them to register their new players and buy some others with the transfer money. If they keep de Jong, they aint getting Kounde and Silva, they're likely done for the summer if he stays
 
No proof of either?

Ornstein basically said we have a full agreement with Barca, it's a bloody threadmark! And for assurances, reports have been around for ages now saying that de Jong and ten Hag talk daily. If you honestly think in that time he hasn't sought assurances that he wants to play for United, then i really don't know what to tell you. But let me guess, all those reports and tweets are BS, but any negative ones, regardless of the source, are the truth?
Or the other way round. Works both ways, doesn't it. We don't have anything official, do we? Laporta said he hasn't accepted any bids.I know he's scum but if anything its more official than Ornstein
 
There's absolutely no "proof" of anything in this, other than that FDJ does not want to sign a new deal with FC Barcelona, and that Barca cannot allow a situation in which he stays on his current, we know that because well, Barcelona mention it every other day and they've been pushing for two months and he hasn't signed shit.

There's no "proof" United are even interested, if it's "proof" you're looking for.
Like Sneijder as it turned out. That would be a kick in the bollocks! :lol:
 
Yet there are no reports that PSG are willing to do any such thing.

If he can't play for the club he loves, he's probably smarter playing for a manager that loves him, and knows how to get the best out of him, a manager where he enjoyed the best form of his career.
I can agree with that.
 
Or the other way round. Works both ways, doesn't it. We don't have anything official, do we? Laporta said he hasn't accepted any bids.I know he's scum but if anything its more official than Ornstein
He hasn't accepted a fee. He's AGREED a fee. Big difference there. It's like me agreeing a price on something but not paying it at that moment.
I can agree a price on something, secure that price and come back later and pay it, or when it's time too pay it. Accepting a bid would be Barca taking our money, but that hasn't happened yet.
 
So do you think that they'll end up keeping him?
I thought the plan was to get rid so they can get his wages totally off the books, enabling them to register their new players and buy some others with the transfer money. If they keep de Jong, they aint getting Kounde and Silva, they're likely done for the summer if he stays

I said it earlier this week, I think a FDJ who writes off 17m instantly, and tens of millions more over the next four years; a FDJ that spends his prime there on just 150k /week is something they would be mad to pass up.

But FDJ would be mad to agree to it, I don't think there's a cat in hells chance he will, or that he would've green-lighted ETH only to then do something so insane after being treated like shite.
 
12 pages to go…do we sign him once the thread reaches 1000 pages or do we sign him once the 1000 page barrier has been breached?
 
Which to me, is a clear sign that his ex player has assured him he wants to come.

Barcelona don't wanna fecking deal with a severance package the cnuts, they want him to stay and sign off tens of millions, alternatively the second less desirable option is for him to leave and sign away of tens of millions. Unitl those feckwits give him a chance to come talk to United, or as ETH put it "make him available", United's hands are tied.

I'm sure that ETH and the club have a couple of back-up plans in the works, if it appears Barcelona will not make him available.

It's an annoying as feck waiting game, but it's very harsh to put it on ETH or the club set-up.

It is annoying to wait. However, what is even more annoying is the club's fans meltdown. Absolutely crazy.
 
He hasn't accepted a fee. He's AGREED a fee. Big difference there. It's like me agreeing a price on something but not paying it at that moment.
I can agree a price on something, secure that price and come back later and pay it, or when it's time too pay it. Accepting a bid would be Barca taking our money, but that hasn't happened yet.
I thought a bid had to be accepted for a club to be allowed to talk to the player or summat. That would mean we haven't officially talked to the player either?
 
At the point United have to accept that Barcelona are not going to make the player available for sale.
So if they don't make him available for sale, and he doesn't take a pay cut and wants to stay on his current contract, then what?
Barca have said, in not so many words, that they want to sell him. Even Xavi said "He's a great player but FFP and financial issues" etc. He's basically said there that these issues are likely going to result in him being sold.
 
I thought a bid had to be accepted for a club to be allowed to talk to the player or summat. That would mean we haven't officially talked to the player either?
No we've not talked to the player officially. We've agreed a fee with Barca, meaning that when the issue with wages is sorted and paid off, then Barca will let us talk to de Jong. Until then, we can't talk to him, but ten Hag will have assurances that he does want to come and that agreeing personal terms won't be an issue. Hence why he's pushing hard for him.
 
Come on mate, the only midfielder capable of substantially improving upon a McFred midfield is Frenkie de Jong. Every top 20 team in Europe has a midfield far stronger than Manchester United's and only one of them has Frenkie de Jong in them and he's not even a regular starter for them. But SOMEHOW, in the minds of Manchester United's "DOF", the manager, and some users on this forum...only Frenkie de Jong is the good enough option to make our midfield world class!

I can't stop laughing. How have fans managed to buy into this propaganda bullshit to excuse Murtough's incompetence in subpar scouting hook, line, and sinker? Only Frenkie de Jong is good enough. :lol: Yet every team is building a far stronger midfield without a de jong.

Only De Jong! De Jong or bust! No De Jong? Then I'd rather another season of McFred! Only De Jong! No one else!

Seriously what the feck? This club's incompetence will drive me fecking mad. 9 years of this shit. They had the richest and biggest club in England in 2014, and they managed to reduce us to a state where a player would rather reduce his wages by 50% and play as a backup then to come over and play for us. And after all this they still won't learn that they should hire actual football people to handle transfers and squad building like a normal football club should. Not delegate it entirely to a fecking manager, as they have since Moyes and it has been failing every single time since then! Get a real DOF, a real one. Not a banker.
This is way too reasonable a post for this thread.
 
So if they don't make him available for sale, and he doesn't take a pay cut and wants to stay on his current contract, then what?
Barca have said, in not so many words, that they want to sell him. Even Xavi said "He's a great player but FFP and financial issues" etc. He's basically said there that these issues are likely going to result in him being sold.

If he doesn't take a pay cut, they will green light the United move.

Once they are certain they can't convince him to be a moron. But even then, they will fight tooth and nail to get him to give up as much as possible in his severance package.

I see no situation in which he stays there on his current deal.
 
How the feck can you not make the player available for sale and then literally agree to sell the player?
People are saying they're covering their arses by agreeing a fee, so that if he doesn't agree to a pay cut they can make him available for sale... hence agreeing a fee with United, a backup plan if you will.
Makes no sense to me, because by agreeing a fee, you're basically saying that you don't want that player, and that they're not in your plans and they can go. I bet if there was no issues with wages, he'd be gone by now. Barca don't want to pay the deferred pay, they have no intention of doing so it seems, they can't afford it. The best they can hope for is for him to forego his deferred pay and leave, or take a huge pay cut and stay. Neither of them look likely, so a compromise will have to be made i'd imagine
 
Again, the deferred wages are not legally owed should his contract be void, they are WAGES that he will be paid over the next 4 years, rising per season. He has no grounds to ask the club for future wages in order to leave and he won't be getting them. End of.

If that truly is the hold up here, it's a wrap. I believe he just isn't keen on leaving tbh.
 
How the feck can you not make the player available for sale and then literally agree to sell the player?

Exactly as Barcelona are doing.

United cannot discuss personal terms with him until Barcelona have agreed a severance package with him, an enormous severance package too, unlike any you'd normally see.
So until he either signs a new deal with Barca, else agrees a severance package, he aint fecking "available".
 
No we've not talked to the player officially. We've agreed a fee with Barca, meaning that when the issue with wages is sorted and paid off, then Barca will let us talk to de Jong. Until then, we can't talk to him, but ten Hag will have assurances that he does want to come and that agreeing personal terms won't be an issue. Hence why he's pushing hard for him.
So what reason does Barca have to not accept the bid and let us start talking to the player?
 
So if they don't make him available for sale, and he doesn't take a pay cut and wants to stay on his current contract, then what?
Barca have said, in not so many words, that they want to sell him. Even Xavi said "He's a great player but FFP and financial issues" etc. He's basically said there that these issues are likely going to result in him being sold.
Ffp, is that still a rule in the game ? How many players have they signed now? Lewandowski does for sure have a noticeable contract
 
If he doesn't take a pay cut, they will green light the United move.

Once they are certain they can't convince him to be a moron. But even then, they will fight tooth and nail to get him to give up as much as possible in his severance package.

I see no situation in which he stays there on his current deal.
As it stands, i don't think he's going to take another pay cut, because i'm sure he knows if he does it this time, it'll be the same next season when the issues return. Take a pay cut of 50% of your wages... from €150k a week to €75k a week, then the next season you need to help us, take another pay cut. It's a vicious cycle. The longer he stays there, the more and more he'll be asked to sacrifice and if he doesn't do it, he'll be public enemy number 1.

Yes he loves the club, but sometimes it doesn't work out with the ones you love... just have to man up and move on
 
So what reason does Barca have to not accept the bid and let us start talking to the player?

That FDJ's team won't allow it until a severance deal with Barca is agreed. Judging by how this transfer is going, and the multiple reports of it being impossible for FCB to get a meeting with FDJ's agent, they are playing hardball "17m or no meeting and no transfer."
 
I'm over this transfer :lol:

I am feeling pretty ambivalent about it currently.

Still think it happens but god is it getting boring.
 
Exactly as Barcelona are doing.

United cannot discuss personal terms with him until Barcelona have agreed a severance package with him, an enormous severance package too, unlike any you'd normally see.
So until he either signs a new deal with Barca, else agrees a severance package, he aint fecking "available".
That's because De Jong himself wants his contract paid up before entering negotiations with anyone else, nothing to do with Barcelona. They've agreed the sale, they want him gone.
 
So what reason does Barca have to not accept the bid and let us start talking to the player?
Deferred wages.
Until thats sorted, theres nothing we can do. My guess is de Jong would be happy to go, but only if he's payed what he's owed. Until then, i don't think he'd want to leave and lose out on €17m
 
De Jong has to be the softest player to ever kick a ball if he accepts that pay cut just to stay. fecking hell
 
I'm over this transfer :lol:

I am feeling pretty ambivalent about it currently.

Still think it happens but god is it getting boring.

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